Analysis 2017 List Management Discussion - Part 3

[1981]

I still feel that most of Pickett's best work was not quite right.....he NEARLY did something brilliant.... he ALMOST pulled off something spectacular.

I expect this did and will improve with increased fitness, game time and confidence.

I want to believe he will put it all together, because if he does he is going to be a genuine game-breaker.

This.

 

[Bluey24]

O'Shea now more likely to be rookied?

 

[ferrisb]

Not Shaw......

 

[FoeverBlues]

I still feel that most of Pickett's best work was not quite right.....he NEARLY did something brilliant.... he ALMOST pulled off something spectacular.

I expect this did and will improve with increased fitness, game time and confidence.

I want to believe he will put it all together, because if he does he is going to be a genuine game-breaker.

If he does not he is going to be a genuine heart-breaker.

 

[GapInIkonPark]

Doc out makes things interesting from a Best 22 perspective. He's a big out, but I reckon we can cover him well enough that improvement on other lines will see overall improvement on the park.

FB: Simpson, Jones, Marchbank
HB: Mullett, Weitering, Plowman
C: Lang, Cuningham, E. Curnow
R: Kreuzer, Cripps, Kennedy
HF: Murphy, McKay, C. Curnow
FF: Silvagni, Casboult, Pickett
INT: SPS, Fisher, Williamson, Byrne

Then we're still pulling strings to try and fit in Macreadie, Kerr, Polson, and Lebois plus our three shiny new top 30 draftees.

Wright and Lamb stiff to miss on last year's efforts, but prefer to get games into the young'uns if possible.

Plus depth options in Graham, Kerridge, ASOS, Lobbe, Phillips, Thomas, Boekhorst(?).

Mullett, Lang, Byrne and Williamson between them should be able to cover that HB rebounding position. rotating where necessary to keep them fresh as well as use their strengths through the middle and on the wing as well.

Wouldn't be against Kerr taking Jack's spot up forward, and playing Jack off the bench as a utility as well.

Doc out means IMO that one of Byrne or Macreadie moves into the 22 from the ‘stiff not to be in the 22’ group.

B. Plowman. Jones. Marchbank
HB. Williamson. Weitering. Cuningham.
M. Lang. Ed Curnow. SPS
HF. Jack. Casboult. Pickett.
F. Wright. McKay. Charlie Curnow.
R. Kreuzer. Cripps. Murphy.
I. Kennedy, Simpson, Fisher, Macreadie

E. Byrne. Lamb. Mullet

Still no Thomas, Kerridge or Graham, Phillips or Lobbe, they provide depth for injuries, etc., and opportunities for Polson, Kerr, and our draftees.

 

[Gethelred]

Not Shaw......

(Shakes head.)

Ferris...

 

[footyfan1978]

150 years
Most Premierships
Only ONE Century goalkicker

Indeed. How it should be.

 

[therubbernub]

I guess that is why Teague has been head hunted - yeah?

Does anyone know how Teague was rated by the crows fans? Was he rated highly ie Was he attributed with the success of their forward line?

 

[therubbernub]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-11-15/delisted-sun-matt-shaw-hits-the-training-track-with-carlton

Matt shaw is jaiden Stephenson?

 

[Soapy V]

Doc out means IMO that one of Byrne or Macreadie moves into the 22 from the ‘stiff not to be in the 22’ group.

B. Plowman. Jones. Marchbank
HB. Williamson. Weitering. Cuningham.
M. Lang. Ed Curnow. SPS
HF. Jack. Casboult. Pickett.
F. Wright. McKay. Charlie Curnow.
R. Kreuzer. Cripps. Murphy.
I. Kennedy, Simpson, Fisher, Macreadie

E. Byrne. Lamb. Mullet

Still no Thomas, Kerridge or Graham, Phillips or Lobbe, they provide depth for injuries, etc., and opportunities for Polson, Kerr, and our draftees.

If we draft a Cerra Hunter or Coffield they can easily spend a year off HB before going into midfield in 2019. Good learning experience and have played there as juniors.

 

[blue healer]

Not Shaw......

Looks like you hit the bottom of the barrel here Ferris, pretty sure you're rehashing.

 

[ferrisb]

Looks like you hit the bottom of the barrel here Ferris, pretty sure you're rehashing.

If at first you don't succeed, pun again....

 

[blue healer]

If at first you don't succeed, pun again....

Still got a like so what works once......

 

[CJMB]

Send you back in time.

Our 1979 team kicked over 400 goals in the home and away season.

Our leading goal kickers for the full premiership season was as follows:

Ken Sheldon 53 goals
Mark Maclure 45
Rod Galt 36 (just 14 games, not in grand final team)
Mike Fitzpatrick 36
Alex Marcou 34
Wayne Johnston 31
Vin Catoggio 30 (16 games, not in grand final team)
Wayne Harmes 25 (surprised, thought he was back pocket most of season)

I'm not going to try and play down the importance of kicking goals and high scores but it's not the be all and end all.

This year Richmond were 4th ranked with 331 while Adelaide were top with 395. Last year it was the Dogs 7th with 311 to Adelaide's 396. This definitely appears to tie in with the ongoing trends of the past couple of decades regarding the

In the last 17 years the premier kicked the most goals of any club 8 times (47%); that's the 2013-15 Hawks, 2011 & 2007 Geelong, 2006 Eagles and Brisbane in 2002 & 2003. I think we can all agree that they were pretty decent teams at the time too.

Yep I know, I was there to watch every one of those games. Lost 3 games for the year and beat Collingwood. again..... for the Premiership. That was 39 years ago and footy has changed a little.

Casboult 34.18
Wright 30.12
Curnow: 20.12
Silvagni 19.17
Gibbs 17.13
Total: 120.72
62.5% conversion rate.
Increase that to 75% and all of sudden we have another 24 goals on the board.
I cannot understand how AFL coaches continue to ignore such an important KPI.
Cost Melbourne a finals spot. I suppose there is always something good that comes out of it.

Making the most of opportunities will make a huge difference. I don't see it so much as having a top 6 or 7 who kick 200-250 between them but rather having a larger number of players hit the scoreboard and spread the load. Instead of the top 6 kicking say 65% of the teams goals I'd rather have 12 guys make a more equal contribution. Maybe McKay, Casboult & Wright kick between 30 and 40 each, guys like Charlie and Jack can get to 25, then you have a heap in that 15 to 20 bracket with Cuningham, Murphy, Cripps, Kennedy, Kreuz, Samo, Lang, Pickett, Fisher, Ed and possibly even a new draft pick. Throw in a handful here and there from Simmo, Willo, Mullet, Weits, etc and the tally starts rising. We kicked an average of 11 a game this year, 3 below the competition average. If we can avoid blowouts like Sydney, Geelong and Port, kicking and additional 2 goals a game will do us a world of good considering our defensive systems (and hoping that losing Doc doesn't obliterate that).

 

[Moody Blue]

If daisy plays more than 8 games next year I’ll be bitterly disappointed
As that will be proof in pudding that we haven’t progressed
Let’s hope so anyways

So why re-sign him? Just taking up a spot of a younger player. He won't be part of the next finals campaign.

 

[HARKER]

So why re-sign him? Just taking up a spot of a younger player. He won't be part of the next finals campaign.

We've been told many times over why we re-signed Thomas. It's no mystery.

It seems as though many are going to have to brace for disappointment, because Thomas will be in the starting 22, should he be fully fit.

 

[blue healer]

We've been told many times over why we re-signed Thomas. It's no mystery.

It seems as though many are going to have to brace for disappointment, because Thomas will be in the starting 22, should he be fully fit.

How does that fit the Thomas narrative on BF?

 

[HARKER]

How does that fit the Thomas narrative on BF?

It should fit into the same narrative as for any other player, that being fully fit gives you the best chance at senior exposure.

We've heard many time over why Thomas is rated at the club for his on and off-field involvement. If he's tracking well, he'll play.

 

[blue healer]

It should fit into the same narrative as for any other player, that being fully fit gives you the best chance at senior exposure.

We've heard many time over why Thomas is rated at the club for his on and off-field involvement. If he's tracking well, he'll play.

Detractors will still detract.

 

[Soapy V]

We've been told many times over why we re-signed Thomas. It's no mystery.

It seems as though many are going to have to brace for disappointment, because Thomas will be in the starting 22, should he be fully fit.

Maybe at the start of the year but no way by the end of the season.

From last years best 22 we lose Gibbs & Docherty. This year we have added Mullett Lang Kennedy.
Byrne Curnow & Cripps will be fit and players like Polson Kerr McKay Dow Hunter Macreadie Cuningham LeBois Pickett will be ready or need to play regular senior footy. Plus another couple of draft picks

Look at the 22 GapInthePark posted yesterday.

B. Plowman. Jones. Marchbank
HB. Williamson. Weitering. Cuningham.
M. Lang. Ed Curnow. SPS
HF. Jack. Casboult. Pickett.
F. Wright. McKay. Charlie Curnow.
R. Kreuzer. Cripps. Murphy.
I. Kennedy, Simpson, Fisher, Macreadie

Plus Byrne Lamb Mullet Kerridge Polson Kerr ASOS LeBois Rowe and our draftees (another 5-6 players).

Can't see where he fits in apart from back up and a mature head to help development in the reserves.

 

[JustaBattler]

So why re-sign him? Just taking up a spot of a younger player. He won't be part of the next finals campaign.

Thomas was resigned because the Club believes he has a role to play - pretty simple isn't it?

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Does the Docherty disaster guarantee we will take Boekhurst as a rookie? He is doing pre-season so you would think he would have been given some indication that if he trains well he would be given an opportunity... Shows a fair amount of character turning up to train with no guarantees after the club has spat you out.. So if he has come back in good shape and does the work I think we should give him another chance.

 

[Jeremias]

Does the Docherty disaster guarantee we will take Boekhurst as a rookie?

No - one has little to no bearing on the other. They don't play remotely similar roles.

Doc going down may boost the chances of picking up one or both of the other mature players training with us - O'Shea and Shaw.

 

[HARKER]

No - one has little to no bearing on the other. They don't play remotely similar roles.

Doc going down may boost the chances of picking up one or both of the other mature players training with us - O'Shea and Shaw.

How does a 197cm O'Shea possibly take the place of Docherty?
If anyone can give us that run out of the back-line and a good kick-out option, it may be Williamson, but it would be a shame to be playing him there, as he seems to be so much better suited to working space around the ground.

I still can't work out our interest in thinking about rookie-ing O'Shea.

 

[Jeremias]

How does a 197cm O'Shea possibly take the place of Docherty?

He doesn't immediately. I think we'll look internally for the direct replacement - Williamson, Mullett and Byrne the most likely at this stage.

But what O'Shea does provide is an experienced head down back who can fill the role if required. Did not know he's 197 now - thought he stood around the 192/193 mark - and can play a variety of roles whilst being most suited to rebounding out of the back half.

As a rookie he'd only be on a 1 year contract to provide some cover if necessary. What's the downside?