List Mgmt. 2017 Trade & FA Targets Part 1

[Crusty Undies]

So your potting a bloke who's kicked 90 goals in the last 2 years (Bruce) & a bloke who's kicked 44 goals in the 3rd tall position last year (Membrey)

Mate, I'm sorry, but you really do have NFI

You do realise we recruited McCartin for when Roo retires right? I suppose you forgot how good Paddy looked against West Coast when Roo wasn't in the team?

Open your eyes.

I'm potting Bruce or McCartin or Membrey against Hogan. And he beats them all with ease.

McCartin has had one good game but he is not a Roo replacement. Not even similar playstyles. McCartin is a sit at home forward and Roo is a run your opponent into the ground and mark on the lead forward, a closer comparison would be Bruce.

OK so you're saying Josh Bruce, who got the vast majority of his 90 goals in 3 years in the year he wasn't the first key forward (Roo was) to Jesse Hogan who has kicked 91 in 3 years as the main key forward for Melbourne. And you honestly have the gall to compare McCartin to Hogan, McCartin who can't even stay on the park long enough to take a good mark before being concussed and sent back to the 2s for a month.

You're saying I have NFI but look up the stats before you talk shit mate.

 

[Rors]

That's our most recent encounter and the only one relevant to the now. No point looking back any further. Sydney played in a gf last year. They absolutely brained us. Had over 100 more touches. We were at full strength.

As I said before, you play that round 1 game 10x over & you'd get a different result every time. Anyone who doesn't see that it was a grand final for them to break the streak is blind.

My good mate does stats for Melbourne & I quote 'they went into that game like it was a grand final. They needed to break the streak'

 

[D2D3]

I'm potting Bruce or McCartin or Membrey against Hogan. And he beats them all with ease.

McCartin has had one good game but he is not a Roo replacement. Not even similar playstyles. McCartin is a sit at home forward and Roo is a run your opponent into the ground and mark on the lead forward, a closer comparison would be Bruce.

OK so you're saying Josh Bruce, who got the vast majority of his 90 goals in 3 years in the year he wasn't the first key forward (Roo was) to Jesse Hogan who has kicked 91 in 3 years as the main key forward for Melbourne. And you honestly have the gall to compare McCartin to Hogan, McCartin who can't even stay on the park long enough to take a good mark before being concussed and sent back to the 2s for a month.

You're saying I have NFI but look up the stats before you talk shit mate.

Except there is only one Hogan and we have McCartin, Bruce and Membery. You are comparing 3 players to 1. Doesn't that say it all?

 

[Rors]

I'm potting Bruce or McCartin or Membrey against Hogan. And he beats them all with ease.

McCartin has had one good game but he is not a Roo replacement. Not even similar playstyles. McCartin is a sit at home forward and Roo is a run your opponent into the ground and mark on the lead forward, a closer comparison would be Bruce.

OK so you're saying Josh Bruce, who got the vast majority of his 90 goals in 3 years in the year he wasn't the first key forward (Roo was) to Jesse Hogan who has kicked 91 in 3 years as the main key forward for Melbourne. And you honestly have the gall to compare McCartin to Hogan, McCartin who can't even stay on the park long enough to take a good mark before being concussed and sent back to the 2s for a month.

You're saying I have NFI but look up the stats before you talk shit mate.

Where did I compare Hogan to any of our blokes....? I didn't.

Hogan is a gun. Agreed.

Who's else do they have though? Weiderman.

Answer is not a lot.

Meanwhile, we've got Bruce, Membrey, McCartin, Battle & Marshall, with both Carlisle & Goddard capable swing men

Give me our forward line & depth over any team in the entire AFL

 

[Crusty Undies]

Except there is only one Hogan and we have McCartin, Bruce and Membery. You are comparing 3 players to 1. Doesn't that say it all?

Notice the OR not AND. Bruce OR McCartin OR Membrey. NOT Bruce AND McCartin AND Membrey.

Not sure if sarcasm or not but worth clarifying for the others attempting to counter with that argument.

 

[Rors]

Notice the OR not AND. Bruce OR McCartin OR Membrey. NOT Bruce AND McCartin AND Membrey.

Not sure if sarcasm or not but worth clarifying for the others attempting to counter with that argument.

You do realise Melbourne gave up 2 top 6 draft picks to get the rights to grab Hogan in the mini draft yeah?

 

[Crusty Undies]

Where did I compare Hogan to any of our blokes....? I didn't.

Hogan is a gun. Agreed.

Who's else do they have though? Weiderman.

Answer is not a lot.

Meanwhile, we've got Bruce, Membrey, McCartin, Battle & Marshall, with both Carlisle & Goddard capable swing men

Give me our forward line & depth over any team in the entire AFL

Weideman actually looks pretty good given he's playing more than McCartin lmao. And what you're saying is you'd take Bruce (Unable to take a pack mark or kick straight), McCartin (unable to get on the field), Membrey (Unable to kick straight), Battle (too short, can't turn, can't jump, can't run very far, can't run very fast) and Marshall (completely untried rookie and unknown quantity over EVERY other group of tall forwards in the AFL? You can't honestly be serious mate.

Adelaide have Walker, Jenkins, Lynch and Betts all capable of leading, marking and kicking. As backup they have Elliot Himmelberg, Lever as a swingman and Otten very capable as a third tall.

Sydney have Franklin, Tippett, Reid as well as Sinclair who unlike our ruckmen can rest forward. As well as the athletic freak Aliir Aliir who can swing forward same goes for Michael Talia.

I could go on, but I won't cos the point is well and truly made.

 

[D2D3]

Notice the OR not AND. Bruce OR McCartin OR Membrey. NOT Bruce AND McCartin AND Membrey.

Not sure if sarcasm or not but worth clarifying for the others attempting to counter with that argument.

That fact still remains that we have greater forward depth. No doubt we would love some of Melbourne's midfeilders but I'm sure if they could add Bruce and Membery to their forward line they'd be over the moon.

I don't see how they are ahead of us when they are on the same amount of wins and they have had a marginally easier draw (us having to play WCE in Perth with them playing every game in Melbourne)

 

[Glen Buterol]

You do realise Melbourne gave up 2 top 6 draft picks to get the rights to grab Hogan in the mini draft yeah?

3 (Plowman) & 14 (Corr) for Hogan, Vince (pick 20 ontraded to Adel) & Dom Barry.

Melbourne killed that trade.

Edit: swap Vince for Dawes. Still killed it getting Hogan

 

[Marlo]

FWIW I don't think anyone is on the same plane or even close to the Giants in terms of talent. But I also disagree that the first 3 mids are the only ones that matter. Look at Collingwood. Their first 4 mids are Pendlebury, Sidebottom, Treloar and Adams. That is quite possibly the best first 4 in the comp and yet they still regularly lose midfield battles, especially late in games, cos they have no one past that.

Not even close with the way they're playing. They need to perform. That Pies mix is still a little off, even on paper where it looks best. On top of being absolutely lost at sea with Buckley in charge.

Jack Steven, Rocky & Ross would go toe-to-toe with that, despite being close to half the salary hit.

First 3 mids aren't the only ones that matter, but strengthen them compared to our rivals and we are well on our way.

Add Rocky and Hopper and our midfield division overtakes the Dees, even if they have better players in the 5-8 range.

Then just hope GWS capitulate on GF day.

 

[Crusty Undies]

You do realise Melbourne gave up 2 top 6 draft picks to get the rights to grab Hogan in the mini draft yeah?

How is that relevant? And even so, they've gotten arguably the best young key forward in the competition.

 

[Crusty Undies]

Weideman actually looks pretty good given he's playing more than McCartin lmao. And what you're saying is you'd take Bruce (Unable to take a pack mark or kick straight), McCartin (unable to get on the field), Membrey (Unable to kick straight), Battle (too short, can't turn, can't jump, can't run very far, can't run very fast) and Marshall (completely untried rookie and unknown quantity over EVERY other group of tall forwards in the AFL? You can't honestly be serious mate.

Adelaide have Walker, Jenkins, Lynch and Betts all capable of leading, marking and kicking. As backup they have Elliot Himmelberg, Lever as a swingman and Otten very capable as a third tall.

Sydney have Franklin, Tippett, Reid as well as Sinclair who unlike our ruckmen can rest forward. As well as the athletic freak Aliir Aliir who can swing forward same goes for Michael Talia.

I could go on, but I won't cos the point is well and truly made.

Oh I also forgot to mention the Giants but we all know how much depth they have.

 

[Rors]

How is that relevant? And even so, they've gotten arguably the best young key forward in the competition.

But we have a better entire forward line.... so what are you worried about?

 

[Crusty Undies]

Not even close with the way they're playing. They need to perform. That Pies mix is still a little off, even on paper where it looks best. On top of being absolutely lost at sea with Buckley in charge.

Jack Steven, Rocky & Ross would go toe-to-toe with that, despite being close to half the salary hit.

First 3 mids aren't the only ones that matter, but strengthen them compared to our rivals and we are well on our way.

Add Rocky and Hopper and our midfield division overtakes the Dees, even if they have better players in the 5-8 range.

Then just hope GWS capitulate on GF day.

If we got Rocky it'd be a fair bit more than half the salary hit tbh... Steven and Ross will also ask for way more money next time contract negotiations come around for them.

 

[Rors]

Weideman actually looks pretty good given he's playing more than McCartin lmao. And what you're saying is you'd take Bruce (Unable to take a pack mark or kick straight), McCartin (unable to get on the field), Membrey (Unable to kick straight), Battle (too short, can't turn, can't jump, can't run very far, can't run very fast) and Marshall (completely untried rookie and unknown quantity over EVERY other group of tall forwards in the AFL? You can't honestly be serious mate.

Adelaide have Walker, Jenkins, Lynch and Betts all capable of leading, marking and kicking. As backup they have Elliot Himmelberg, Lever as a swingman and Otten very capable as a third tall.

Sydney have Franklin, Tippett, Reid as well as Sinclair who unlike our ruckmen can rest forward. As well as the athletic freak Aliir Aliir who can swing forward same goes for Michael Talia.

I could go on, but I won't cos the point is well and truly made.

and funnily enough, all those teams have better midfields than ours. So what you're actually saying is that if we improve our midfield, we'll be a top 4 team

Thank you & good night

 

[The Jack]

So you are happy to change your opinion after each game?

Even though Melbourne sit 2-3, just like us?

My opinion is they are tracking better than us. Yours is the opposite. No problems. My opinion doesn't change after each game. That's a rediculous suggestion. I just don't take last years results into too much consideration now. Any games prior to last year mean absolutely nothing, regardless of whether we've beaten them the last 50 times.

Prefer you to be correct by the way. Would love to see Paddy get some easy goals like Hogan does. He was terrible last night yet kicked more than Paddy ever has in an AFL game

 

[Crusty Undies]

But we have a better entire forward line.... so what are you worried about?

We may more Depth but Hogan and Weideman beat Bruce and Membrey atm every day of the week. Especially given we can't get McCartin to stay in the 1s.

 

[Rors]

Jealous of Melbourne....

****ing ROFL

 

[Crusty Undies]

and funnily enough, all those teams have better midfields than ours. So what you're actually saying is that if we improve our midfield, we'll be a top 4 team

Thank you & good night

No. That's actually not what I'm saying but nice try to avoid the fact that I just took a steaming dump on the argument you're happy to forget about now.

I'm saying you're wrong and our forward depth is nowhere near as good as you made it out to be and by god is it a long way off the best in the competition.

 

[Crusty Undies]

My opinion is they are tracking better than us. Yours is the opposite. No problems. My opinion doesn't change after each game. That's a rediculous suggestion. I just don't take last years results into too much consideration now. Any games prior to last year mean absolutely nothing, regardless of whether we've beaten them the last 50 times.

Prefer you to be correct by the way. Would love to see Paddy get some easy goals like Hogan does. He was terrible last night yet kicked more than Paddy ever has in an AFL game

Agreed. Melbourne are tracking better, but as you said it's just your (and my) opinion. To everyone still arguing about this I'm happy to stop arguing and just agree to disagree

 

[D2D3]

We may more Depth but Hogan and Weideman beat Bruce and Membrey atm every day of the week. Especially given we can't get McCartin to stay in the 1s.

When did Weideman suddenly become a star? Membery, Bruce and McCartin are all miles ahead of him based on his output thus far....

 

[D2D3]

Agreed. Melbourne are tracking better, but as you said it's just your (and my) opinion. To everyone still arguing about this I'm happy to stop arguing and just agree to disagree

Done

 

[Longmembrey]

I'd be wary of bringing in any player over 25 on big bucks (unless fyfe, but he won't leave)

I'm looking at youngsters who slot into our demographic of around 50 games so they can grow together.. can't buy flags, need the nucleaus of young kids playing for each other

Any 2 of hopper, m. Kennedy, kelly (too much $$ probably) and whitfield and we would go a long way to finishing top 4...

PS: killed me watching petracca last night, him viney and oliver are unreal... #patientwithpaddy

Really? Apart from the 2 injured players, Petracca was rated 2nd worst for Melbourne. I reckon he is way overrated. The commentators just want to **** his ****. Oliver on the other hand... gun.

 

[Rors]

No. That's actually not what I'm saying but nice try to avoid the fact that I just took a steaming dump on the argument you're happy to forget about now.

I'm saying you're wrong and our forward depth is nowhere near as good as you made it out to be and by god is it a long way off the best in the competition.

You're losing this argument.

So all we've gathered from your analysis is that Hogan is better than our own forwards in an individual basis.... Well no shit.

Their midfield is better than ours.... Well no shit.

Our backline is better as a unit. Our forward line as a whole functions better.

Why should we be jealous of Melbourne? I still don't see it

 

[sverik25]

Weideman actually looks pretty good given he's playing more than McCartin lmao. And what you're saying is you'd take Bruce (Unable to take a pack mark or kick straight), McCartin (unable to get on the field), Membrey (Unable to kick straight), Battle (too short, can't turn, can't jump, can't run very far, can't run very fast) and Marshall (completely untried rookie and unknown quantity over EVERY other group of tall forwards in the AFL? You can't honestly be serious mate.

Adelaide have Walker, Jenkins, Lynch and Betts all capable of leading, marking and kicking. As backup they have Elliot Himmelberg, Lever as a swingman and Otten very capable as a third tall.

Sydney have Franklin, Tippett, Reid as well as Sinclair who unlike our ruckmen can rest forward. As well as the athletic freak Aliir Aliir who can swing forward same goes for Michael Talia.

I could go on, but I won't cos the point is well and truly made.

You aren't giving our players enough credit and giving way too much to players on other teams. I would also choose a few teams forward line before ours but I reckon we're doing pretty well in that department.

Weideman has been absolute rubbish in the AFL this year - ask any Melbourne supporter, he just isn't ready yet. Hence why undersized, 26 year-old mature age recruit Tim Smith was brought in last night.

Membrey kicked 44.18 last year, which was the second best accuracy of anyone who kicked more than 40 goals (behind Cyril). He has been off in that regard this year but kicked better on the weekend. For me it's just a temporary case of the yips with him.

You obviously have a better grasp on Battle than all of our recruiters because they would never have taken him if he had practically no positive attributes at all like you seem to think.

I'll give you Adelaide, as they are leaps and bounds ahead of any other forward line in the competition.

Tippett is eternally injured and when he does get on the park on he's extremely inconsistent. Reid has kicked an amazing 105 goals in 103 games, which is in uniquely bad territory for a key forward. Go and ask Sydney fans what they think of Sinclair and they'll probably beg you to take him off their hands.