List Mgmt. 2017 Trade & FA Targets Part 2

[Yawkey way]

Rockliff isn't needed. Steele is our Rocky.

I like jack Steele but he is one inside mid, who are the others and is that how you want to use them?.

Are they better than Rockliff?.

 

[aussierulesrules]

On that basis, it will be trades all the way this year... no free agents, just trading for jets.

Dusty has speed.

Would Richmond be able to match a bid near $1.5 mil PA?

If not, imagine getting him through FA and then having two picks in the top 10-12 of the draft, with one of them possibly top 4!

Imagine getting Dusty, and then the "next Dusty", in Cam Rayner!

 

[StCicatriz]

No idea really, everything is written on sand at this time of year.

They shopped him hard last year, you would think given he would net them pick two if he hasn't signed he is getable.

Coach just came out and said they want him and he wants to stay. I can't see him leaving and he really doesn't fit a need

 

[aussierulesrules]

I like jack Steele but he is one inside mid, who are the others and is that how you want to use them?.

Are they better than Rockliff?.

Well Koby for one has played 3 games for us in that role and had 28 disposals in each of those games.

No need to push him out of the team if he keeps that up and hopefully he'll improve with continuity in the role at AFL level, something he's never really had. He could have plenty of improvement in him yet, like Armo did at that age.

He's not better than Rocky and if it was Rocky or no-one (as in Dusty/Kelly/Jones/Hopper etc) I'd gladly take Rocky, but I think we have enough "grunt" that we can now prioritise other things, like speed.

The good thing is that guys like Kelly, Dusty and Jones can play in the middle and win clearances and CP's and tackle, as well as bringing speed.

 

[Yawkey way]

Dusty has speed.

Would Richmond be able to match a bid near $1.5 mil PA?

If not, imagine getting him through FA and then having two picks in the top 10-12 of the draft, with one of them possibly top 4!

Kelly and dusty I don't see it.

Just dusty, can Richmond match? Probably not. Isn't the story going around they want sache? He will cost plenty in both cash and picks.

 

[Yawkey way]

Coach just came out and said they want him and he wants to stay. I can't see him leaving and he really doesn't fit a need

Scratch another name off the list then.

This is what I was having a hard time with yesterday, our list isn't top four and adding Kelly doesn't get us there although he would be a great addition.

So where the hell are the cavalry or more to the point who are they?.

 

[Sab22]

I like jack Steele but he is one inside mid, who are the others and is that how you want to use them?.

Are they better than Rockliff?.

Dunstan inside as well. Stevens and Ross can play there as well. If needed NOK

 

[sunny3193]

All the clubs are just arms of the AFL, they'll give us enough money to pay whatever we need to.

I hope you're right.
Never met a business that gives you enough "money to pay whatever you need".
Wish I'd meet one now.

 

[VDS66]

Depends how the club sees the rebuild.

Drafting kids will delay our push, so adding a known quantity certainly helps.

If a Kelly means an extra 2 or 3 wins, then we are playing finals.

Add the internal improvement with our younger players for the rest of this year plus next, and Kelly would be like a turbo boost to the team.

I see both sides of the discussion, but if you want to maximise Steven at his peak, then you push the boost button now.

That said, apart from Kelly, I'm tipping we will be hunting some leg speed with established experience of 2 or 3 years.

Get them at decent value. Trading 2 firsts for 2 players of known quantity but still young is fine by me. In fact almost preferable to just getting Jelly. IMO.

 

[VDS66]

I hope you're right.
Never met a business that gives you enough "money to pay whatever you need".
Wish I'd meet one now.

Mine does

Campaigners are cashed up like no tomorrow.

 

[Yawkey way]

Well Koby for one has played 3 games for us in that role and had 28 disposals in each of those games.

No need to push him out of the team if he keeps that up and hopefully he'll improve with continuity in the role at AFL level, something he's never really had. He could have plenty of improvement in him yet, like Armo did at that age.

He's not better than Rocky and if it was Rocky or no-one (as in Dusty/Kelly/Jones/Hopper etc) I'd gladly take Rocky, but I think we have enough "grunt" that we can now prioritise other things, like speed.

The good thing is that guys like Kelly, Dusty and Jones can play in the middle and win clearances and CP's and tackle, as well as bringing speed.

I'm not sold on jones or hopper at this stage, I need to see more of them and they wouldn't be cheap.

When the u18 go to work in the championships we will probably all jump on a couple of them as the next big thing.

I agree with the need for pace, we have been shown up a couple of times this year.

 

[Periphery]

I find most of the real contested ball beasts have shown signs in their early games of what they are capable of.
Rockliff only played one game as a 19yo, ( and it was bad ) but a year later he had games with contested possessions of 12 , 12, 12, 13 and 17.
Now he gets over 20. Shit!, we do a little dance if Dunstan gets more than 20 possessions total.
Dunstan got 15 cp's in an early game , and i'd hoped it was a good sign, but he's not equalled it since.
Steele is still a maybe, but i doubt he'll win it to the extent that Rockliff does.
Ross really flies in the face of my theory, really improving his contested ball winning ability.

Steele had a contested possession rate of 57% and 49% in the U18 Champs and TAC cup. He's had games this year with 12, 13 and 17 contested possessions. He absolutely has the contested ball winning ability we need.

Ross was never bad at winning the contested ball. He had a CP% of 57 and 41 in the U18 Champs and TAC cup.

 

[lewdogs]

Yeah it's pure speculation and at this stage I think he'll probably stay at the Lions, but realistically it's no surprise that we didn't want him last year as we knew we could pick him up for free this year. The Lions would be very happy to get Pick 2 as compo. In terms of Free Agents he seems the best option as he's more moneyball... very good player but not so high profile as Fyfe and Martin so won't cost as much.

Martin is obviously as complete out and out superstar right now. I just think think the Tiges are a good fit for him right now and don't see him moving unless it's to another 'big' club.

It all seems pretty quiet at the moment, but realistically if we are wanting to target Free Agents, which we said that we would be doing 'very aggressively', and if we've ruled ourselves out of Fyfe (which I'm not actually too unhappy with, at the moment he is not playing well enough to justify the price tag) then Rockliff is a very logical selection. He would fit right into the midfield we have.

The only other one that we'd look at I guess would be Zaharakis. Hasn't set the world on fire this year though so doesn't represent a big get.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Zaharakis is a very interesting one, but he's very up and down. If we got him (through FA) and say Kelly I wouldn't be disappointed one bit though.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Kelly and dusty I don't see it.

Just dusty, can Richmond match? Probably not. Isn't the story going around they want sache? He will cost plenty in both cash and picks.

Yeah, it would be one or the other, certainly not both!

I suspect we're not in the race for Dusty because the board wouldn't tick off throwing so much money at someone controversial like him. As soon as we signed him you'd have PI's getting signed up to follow him around for the next "St Kilda scandal" and it would probably only be a matter of time before he obliged.

Otherwise, surely we'd be hearing that we're into him, which we haven't been at all. He's exactly what we need from an on-field POV.

I'm not sold on jones or hopper at this stage, I need to see more of them and they wouldn't be cheap.

When the u18 go to work in the championships we will probably all jump on a couple of them as the next big thing.

I agree with the need for pace, we have been shown up a couple of times this year.

The thing that sells me on Jones is how well he went against us in the midfield in the JLT game (26 possies, 600+ metres gained) and then how well he went in the middle a few weeks ago for Sydney when he had that real break-out game of 27 disposals (13 contested), 6 clearances and a running goal.

That game in particular shows the potential he has in the middle, but he just doesn't get much of a look in there for Sydney, because the likes of JPK, Parker, Hanners and Heeney are usually playing in there and they want his speed on the outside.

So he has the versatility to be good on a wing, in the middle, or running off HB and he's also so competitive and hard, which appeals.

I think Hopper has struggled a but this year off a very interrupted end to his preseason, with a back complaint. For all we know he may still have been playing with it, and we saw how much Armo's back and lack of preseason affected him last year. He killed it in the juniors and when given a run on the ball in his first game for GWS, but like Jones, he doesn't get much of a look in there and in his case plays out of position most of the time, like Steele did when he was there.

 

[Joffaboy]

Mine does

Campaigners are cashed up like no tomorrow.

So is mine VDS. Ssriously

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Yeah, it would be one or the other, certainly not both!

I suspect we're not in the race for Dusty because the board wouldn't tick off throwing so much money at someone controversial like him. As soon as we signed him you'd have PI's getting signed up to follow him around for the next "St Kilda scandal" and it would probably only be a matter of time before he obliged.

Otherwise, surely we'd be hearing that we're into him, which we haven't been at all. He's exactly what we need from an on-field POV.

The thing that sells me on Jones is how well he went against us in the midfield in the JLT game (26 possies, 600+ metres gained) and then how well he went in the middle a few weeks ago for Sydney when he had that real break-out game of 27 disposals (13 contested), 6 clearances and a running goal.

That game in particular shows the potential he has in the middle, but he just doesn't get much of a look in there for Sydney, because the likes of JPK, Parker, Hanners and Heeney are usually playing in there and they want his speed on the outside.

So he has the versatility to be good on a wing, in the middle, or running off HB and he's also so competitive and hard, which appeals.

I think Hopper has struggled a but this year off a very interrupted end to his preseason, with a back complaint. For all we know he may still have been playing with it, and we saw how much Armo's back and lack of preseason affected him last year. He killed it in the juniors and when given a run on the ball in his first game for GWS, but like Jones, he doesn't get much of a look in there and in his case plays out of position most of the time, like Steele did when he was there.

13 contested possessions in one game in his fourth season is not something that makes me want to throw money and draft picks at him.
To me he'd be another at the level of Steele ,Steven's, Armitage.
The 3 or 4 contested possessions he often gets is a sign of the risk.
He's like Seb Ross two years ago , and he could make the next leap like Seb did, or he could fizzle .

 

[AFLOnline]

SEN saying they are hearing North and us in the box seat for Kelly.

 

[Yawkey way]

Yeah, it would be one or the other, certainly not both!

I suspect we're not in the race for Dusty because the board wouldn't tick off throwing so much money at someone controversial like him. As soon as we signed him you'd have PI's getting signed up to follow him around for the next "St Kilda scandal" and it would probably only be a matter of time before he obliged.

Otherwise, surely we'd be hearing that we're into him, which we haven't been at all. He's exactly what we need from an on-field POV.

The thing that sells me on Jones is how well he went against us in the midfield in the JLT game (26 possies, 600+ metres gained) and then how well he went in the middle a few weeks ago for Sydney when he had that real break-out game of 27 disposals (13 contested), 6 clearances and a running goal.

That game in particular shows the potential he has in the middle, but he just doesn't get much of a look in there for Sydney, because the likes of JPK, Parker, Hanners and Heeney are usually playing in there and they want his speed on the outside.

So he has the versatility to be good on a wing, in the middle, or running off HB and he's also so competitive and hard, which appeals.

I think Hopper has struggled a but this year off a very interrupted end to his preseason, with a back complaint. For all we know he may still have been playing with it, and we saw how much Armo's back and lack of preseason affected him last year. He killed it in the juniors and when given a run on the ball in his first game for GWS, but like Jones, he doesn't get much of a look in there and in his case plays out of position most of the time, like Steele did when he was there.

I expect with jones you will get pretty much what his brother brings, there's a lot to like but silky skills isn't part of the package. He was pick 15? Maybe a player swap, I don't see the swans being keen.

Hopper is interesting, I keep hearing about how he is a gun maybe the injury is the reason why he has been a bit down on form. They have some young guns who are used as bit players at present it's hard to get a form line on them.

 

[Yawkey way]

SEN saying they are hearing North and us in the box seat for Kelly.

Glad they cleared that up.

 

[stavro#4]

SEN saying they are hearing North and us in the box seat for Kelly.

Sen also said Fyfe was a done deal to stkilda two weeks ago.

 

[AFLOnline]

Sen also said Fyfe was a done deal to stkilda two weeks ago.

Lol no they didn't.

That was some random Perth based radio host / wannabe journo.

I mean, I take whatever anyone says with a grain of salt until it 'actually' happens. But it's interesting to know where they get their supposed info from.

 

[Yawkey way]

I watched Kelly being interviewed after the game, he is a very well spoken composed young man.

I walked away with the feeling he probably stays at GWS but he didn't say anything, not one thing except what you would want if you were the club or his manager.

Hard to see the same young bloke talking it up behind the scenes, now his manager on the other hand is paid to do just that.

 

[The_Steadier]

SEN saying they are hearing North and us in the box seat for Kelly.

SEN say a lot of things.
They have a lot of air time to fill.

Like how the womans day has a lot of pages to fill.
So they fill them with complete garbage from 'sources'.

 

[aussierulesrules]

13 contested possessions in one game in his fourth season is not something that makes me want to throw money and draft picks at him.
To me he'd be another at the level of Steele ,Steven's, Armitage.
The 3 or 4 contested possessions he often gets is a sign of the risk.
He's like Seb Ross two years ago , and he could make the next leap like Seb did, or he could fizzle .

How many contested possessions do you expect someone who's been almost exclusively playing wing or HBF/BP to be getting though? Look at Joey's CP numbers since he went to the HBF and compare them to 2010 or so when he was playing much more on the ball. They're polar opposites.

Chances are Jones has only played one AFL game on the ball and in it he had 13 CP's and 6 clearances. Our guys would also know how he goes if played on the ball in the NEAFL.

Either way, he'd probably still be good value even if he only ever played wing or HBF, if we got him and say a bit of change for our pick 10ish. We could really do with someone else with his sort of explosiveness (and hardness) no matter whether he's playing inside or out.