2017 Trade & FA Targets Part 4

[gringo2011]

Nuh.

It will be his fourth year and with Freeman and Paddy giving nearly zero so far. He's probably the one with the least value to us and if he's out of contract he would have to be considered expendable if Tomlinson comes. He would be under pressure to get on the field of sure.

 

[Premium]

I had achilles issues, they are ****** but the clubs don't keep patience for ever. I like Hugh, he's great young man but if they are recruiting an expensive tall defender the writings on the wall for him. We would get him right and trade him on otherwise.

He recovered from that, its his big toe that is the problem , I thought

 

[clarkie54]

game plans are didctated by the coaches who come up with them... if you are chasing the evolving game style you are always behind the times... the best coaches design the game style to suit their strengths not follow the current trends .. i reckon we are about to do just that and come out with something differant to what we have been showing for the last 3 years - time will tell if its a masterstroke or an epic fail

If we're going to more a kick mark game to avoid the pressure then your right, it's going to be very interesting to watch how effective it is.

 

[BilboJackins]

I reckon the clubs focus is on 2018 FA
Lynch
Sloane
Gaff

We missed on the big moves this year, time to consolidate and have a massive crack next year



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[gringo2011]

game plans are didctated by the coaches who come up with them... if you are chasing the evolving game style you are always behind the times... the best coaches design the game style to suit their strengths not follow the current trends .. i reckon we are about to do just that and come out with something differant to what we have been showing for the last 3 years - time will tell if its a masterstroke or an epic fail

I actually think we went away from what we did last couple of years where we moved the ball super fast and hardly slowed down. There seemed to be an emphasis on making the game plan less taxing and we went backwards. Richmond meanwhile used the same method we used to and won the premiership. The Dogs won one last year doing the same and this year tried to come up with something less taxing and dropped away. Our best games were again when we ran the ball way from the opposition to quickly for them to set up. I don't know why we went away from what worked.

 

[#gosaintas]

Whilst I sort of agree nothing is going back to 3 tall forwards and defenders because contested marking is finished and room in the backline is finished thus tge ball is on the deck more and more during games unless of course you are playing keepings off around the ground


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Gotta love the old blanket statement.
"Contested marking is finished"
One thing we do know is that what worked in one year is out of date pretty quickly. The Richmond chase/tackle and then chaos ball into a little, poorly skilled fwd line will be out the window pretty quickly.

 

[coachnoodles]

I don't want Tomlinson just cause I don't think he's a good player.

His best attribute is that's he's tall and not a plodder.

He plays in a backline which also contained Corr, Haynes and David who always took the best forwards.

That's not the case over the course of the year he had Darling 3 times (pantsed him), Rooey against us (won this), Jack v Richmond, Westhoff v Port.


Reckon he gives us soemthing we don't have at the moment

 

[clarkie54]

It'd be interesting to see a club go completely one on one and hold positions rather then zoning for a season and see how that goes.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Gotta love the old blanket statement.
"Contested marking is finished"
One thing we do know is that what worked in one year is out of date pretty quickly. The Richmond chase/tackle and then chaos ball into a little, poorly skilled fwd line will be out the window pretty quickly.

Kicking out of your back line, its really handy to have someone up the ground who can be relied on to take a contested mark.
If someone marks it you can dance around and make all the pressure acts you like, but they have the ball.

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

+1

been saying this for a long time. Trying to emulate others game styles is destined for failure. By the time you master it, the game has evolved.

We have to look at what we have personnel wise, what we stand for and build our own game style around it.

RTB did it and we almost won a flag with it.

its also a generational thing as well...
when the full team defence / weight of numbers game style was implemented by Rossy to our team we had just gone through a generational change with the likes of Harves, GTrain, Hamil all retiring leaving a change in how things needed to be done, we couldnt rely on Harves to kick it to GTrain and goal we had to change things and while we had the replacments they were differant players and had different strenghts ... we are in that phase now for the first time in years we dont have our ever reliable Rooey and Joey... we have used that manic pressure game while we have had young enthusiasm to do that but now as these guys are maturing its time to structure things to their strengths... what that is who knows but im sure we have already been planning for this and we will see something differant come the preseason

 

[plugger66]

Gotta love the old blanket statement.
"Contested marking is finished"
One thing we do know is that what worked in one year is out of date pretty quickly. The Richmond chase/tackle and then chaos ball into a little, poorly skilled fwd line will be out the window pretty quickly.

I'm not saying the game won't change It will but contested marking has been finished for about 5 years and unless the rules are changed it will continue to be finished and that's for 2 reasons. One players don't kick to contests anywhere near as much and 2 players aren't as good at it because of reason one


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[gringo2011]

Gotta love the old blanket statement.
"Contested marking is finished"
One thing we do know is that what worked in one year is out of date pretty quickly. The Richmond chase/tackle and then chaos ball into a little, poorly skilled fwd line will be out the window pretty quickly.

Contested marking will be fine when you have Daniher style elite marking forwards it's just average tall forwards who only kick a goal a week and don't offer much defensive pressure to keep the ball in will be on the outer.

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

I don't want Tomlinson just cause I don't think he's a good player.

His best attribute is that's he's tall and not a plodder.

He plays in a backline which also contained Corr, Haynes and David who always took the best forwards.

He has a very average kick as well which will give everyone here the shits and honestly what role does he serve?

He's not going to come in and take Brown's place unless somehow he learns to play larger than himself. He plays Carlisle's role but much poorer.

Now to price, he's going to be expensive, our defence is perfectly capable of eeking out another year of Brown and if we improve our midfield there will be a carry on effect on less pressure on our defenders

Ameet, please. Just cause they play for GWS doesn't mean they're good

ill take ameets opinion above yours honestly

 

[gringo2011]

I'm not saying the game won't change It will but contested marking has been finished for about 5 years and unless the rules are changed it will continue to be finished and that's for 2 reasons. One players don't kick to contests anywhere near as much and 2 players aren't as good at it because of reason one


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That's true around the ground but elite contested marking forwards are gold. Ben Brown and Daniher both make the forward entries of their teams only need to be adequate rather than efficient. There is definitely less need for field players to be contested players generally though, spread and run is everything now. Burst speed and gut running are king.

 

[VDS66]

You feel bad. I'm about 3 years away from ringing Tobin brothers


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You'd be arguing with people at your own funeral ...

 

[PoppedCorn]

Hartlett



Ffs



Sloane mrs hasn't just magically landed a job in melbs yesterday
She has had work doing stuff in melbs for over a year I'm told
And don't be so confident he would leave for us just because he supported us as a kid

 

[SaintSteele9]

I reckon the clubs focus is on 2018 FA
Lynch
Sloane
Gaff

We missed on the big moves this year, time to consolidate and have a massive crack next year



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I tend to agree here. I reckon it would take quite a body of work to actually nab a FA of that calibre when the time came. I'd like to hope that in some small way we are laying some foundations for this time next year whilst getting things done now.

 

[plugger66]

You'd be arguing with people at your own funeral ...

Only if their opinion was wrong


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anyone know where to find quality tomlinson footage?

 

[Joffaboy]

Hartlett



Ffs



Sloane mrs hasn't just magically landed a job in melbs yesterday
She has had work doing stuff in melbs for over a year I'm told
And don't be so confident he would leave for us just because he supported us as a kid

With Adelaide losing good players all tje time, they will be totally nuts not to sign him for the rest of his career sometime during 2018.

This will happen to Gaff as well.

Nobody any good comes out as a FA.

 

[andy_cav]

I would think he's more the third tall (ie will be our equivalent of getting Lever or Haynes or similar from the draft) and HG and Carlisle are still intended for the bigger guys. Hugh would follow Brown. I'm not an advocate for him at some suggested prices, but the stopper role wouldn't necessarily be his his role would it?

You may well be right. But as you say, I'm not sure its worth involving a top 10 pick (even with a lesser pick coming back), as has been proposed, for a third tall when we already have Roberton as a gun third defender. Mids must surely be the priority with those 2 top ten picks?

 

[plugger66]

anyone know where to find quality tomlinson footage?

The only quality is the final against the tigers


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[VDS66]

anyone know where to find quality tomlinson footage?

Prelim final 2018: saints v crows

 

[Tommy Wigs]

You may well be right. But as you say, I'm not sure its worth involving a top 10 pick (even with a lesser pick coming back), as has been proposed, for a third tall when we already have Roberton as a gun third defender. Mids must surely be the priority with those 2 top ten picks?

Yep I have exactly the same position as you've stated elsewhere. They are gold to us now. And everyone keeps saying it's an even draft, so don't necessarily need to be right at the pointy end.

 

[JG22]

genuine mids/inside/clearance
Steven
Ross
Armitage
Steele
Dunstan
Stevens

Genuine Outside/wing
Newnes
Sinclair

Theres a hole there