Analysis 2018 List Management discussion Pt 2

[BluesRule]

Let's play out that original notion posed;

Assumption 1: Gold Coast would be desperate for not just a quality player but a marquee one and if they have to pay 'perceived' overs, so be it.
Assumption 2: Adelaide want a potential A-Grade home-grown product and either Lukosius or Rankine fit here. MMcGovern has already indicated he wants out and is happy to come to us.
Assumption 3: We don't, for a variety of reasons, want either Lukosius or Rankin with our premium pick/s.
Assumption 4: Adelaide don't know about Assumption 3.

Trade with GC:
OUT: This years first and next years first.
IN: Pick #2, Pick #3 and pick ~#25

Trade with Adelaide:
OUT: Pick #2 and pick ~#25
IN: Pick ~#8 and McGovern

We 'organize' Max King to fall out of favour and take him with the #8, get our preference at the draft being Walsh with #3 and McGovern to boot.
How easy is that?

Seriously though, if Adelaide are desperate for either Lukosius or Rankine, we could do very well out of it.
Gold Coast would be desperate to bring in someone that would bolster the mood of the small faithful they have. They need to sell something.

You missed a McGovern in as a free agent (unlikely he comes unless we get his brother in trade).

Out: #1, Next Years First.
In: Walsh, King, McGovern *2

But would be even better if Smith is still available at #8.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

If I'm GC I would just be taking my 2 and 3 to the draft. They have no need to get fancy. Best or worst case scenario they are getting two of JL, Walsh and Smith (order of they way they rate them can obviously change)
Either way a gun KF and a mid or two bloody good mids they can't go wrong.
Also I think Brodie is getting underrated a little. GC arn't just going to add him as steak knives. Just for some context he has averaged slightly more possessions than SPS this season and although they are different types of mids he has averaged 4 times as many clearances as well. I know I would ask the world for SPS so I couldn't imagine them giving up a contracted Brodie without really good compensation.

 

[footyfan098]

on the hypothetical that GC get 3 for lynch and we get an end of first priority:

go in with pick 1, 20, 23ish, 27ish and a 4th rounder

1 and 27 for 2 and 16 from GC

trade 20 and 23 to NM for pick 10 and 4th round (55 odd) (need points for tarryn Thomas)

trade future 3rd for dom tyson

FA mitch wallis

in: 2, 10, 16, late picks for father sons, mitch wallis and dom tyson (midfield help on the cheap)
out: 1, 20, 23, 27 and future 3rd

 

[Arr0w]

Let's play out that original notion posed;

Assumption 1: Gold Coast would be desperate for not just a quality player but a marquee one and if they have to pay 'perceived' overs, so be it.
Assumption 2: Adelaide want a potential A-Grade home-grown product and either Lukosius or Rankine fit here. MMcGovern has already indicated he wants out and is happy to come to us.
Assumption 3: We don't, for a variety of reasons, want either Lukosius or Rankin with our premium pick/s.
Assumption 4: Adelaide don't know about Assumption 3.

Trade with GC:
OUT: This years first and next years first.
IN: Pick #2, Pick #3 and pick ~#25

Trade with Adelaide:
OUT: Pick #2 and pick ~#25
IN: Pick ~#8 and McGovern

We 'organize' Max King to fall out of favour and take him with the #8, get our preference at the draft being Walsh with #3 and McGovern to boot.
How easy is that?

Seriously though, if Adelaide are desperate for either Lukosius or Rankine, we could do very well out of it.
Gold Coast would be desperate to bring in someone that would bolster the mood of the small faithful they have. They need to sell something.

Harker, it seems you are very keen on Max of late? Has something changed in recent weeks?

 

[big jilm]

Let's keep pick #1. In my mind we absolutely take either Rankine or Walsh.

Need to apply for that end of 1st round priority pick though. With 1 win, we will get it.

Take #1, #19 + #24 to the draft.

Offer #27 to Swans for Lloyd.

Get LeCras and Horlin-Smith as FA's. (Maybe throw WC a late #70+ pick for LeCras)

Other possible FA targets for our forward line could be Fasolo or Puopolo.

That's one way we could bring in some experience as well as talent through the draft.

I like the idea of both Rankine and Walsh. Could we deal with GC with picks 1, 27 & our future 1st for picks 2,3 & their future 2nd?
That way GC can draft Lukosious to replace Lynch as well as having 2 shots at the 1st round next year & we get 2 players we need plus the extra 2nd next year. Might even help convince the AFL to give us that priority pick if we are shown to be helping their struggling franchise up North.

Getting Lloyd would be ideal. Also would sound out 2 x Doms (Tyson & Sheed) who cant get games consistently at their clubs.

 

[HARKER]

Harker, it seems you are very keen on Max of late? Has something changed in recent weeks?

A couple of reasons (some obvious and some maybe not so obvious) but just as much for the fact we may (may) getting him cheaper than market value.

All a lot of ifs, but if we do rate Walsh as being the best fit for us and we know we will get him at that pick #3 anyway, why would we not try and turn it to our advantage? We'll soon find out just how desperate other teams may be for Lukosius and Rankine.
i.e I'd sooner get Walsh & King than for taking Walsh at the pick #1, alone.........obviously

Just seems to me that a few piece are just starting to fall into place. a. Brisbane not having the pick #2 b. GC possibly having #2 & #3 c. Adelaide desperate for premium home-grown talent. You never know.

 

[blue healer]

Kids are picked based upon their potential.
Where they go in the draft is based upon the perceptions of the recruiting party not necessarily upon how good they are.
Now they have to have shown something to be picked at that point as there is some science to drafting new talent. But the order is not necessarily consistent to that talent.

But it is when we take them high?

 

[HARKER]

Harker, it seems you are very keen on Max of late? Has something changed in recent weeks?

Let's try this and of course at this stage many assumptions are to be made.

After what i've put forward, we have McGovern in hand and we're off to the draft with picks #3 and #8
No point bringing Academy nor FS into this for this exercise.

1. GC take Lukosius
2. Adelaide get Rankine
3. Carlton take Walsh
4. Brisbane take Smith
5. Saints take BKing (take the safer King option)
6. Dogs take Hately? Rozee? (they're going to stick fat with the tall forwards and backs they have)
7. Fremantle go Hill. You can never have too many Hills
8. Carlton take Max King if Adelaide finish in this position

Essendon may get in the way though should they finish lower than Adelaide.

Anyway, it's just throwing around some names and numbers but it's hard to imagine SOS not positioning us to take full advantage of having the pick #1

 

[The Grover]

Let's try this and of course at this stage many assumptions are to be made.

After what i've put forward, we have McGovern in hand and we're off to the draft with picks #3 and #8
No point bringing Academy nor FS into this for this exercise.

1. GC take Lukosius
2. Adelaide get Rankine
3. Carlton take Walsh
4. Brisbane take Smith
5. Saints take BKing (take the safer King option)
6. Dogs take Hately? Rozee? (they're going to stick fat with the tall forwards and backs they have)
7. Fremantle go Hill. You can never have too many Hills
8. Carlton take Max King if Adelaide finish in this position

Essendon may get in the way though should they finish lower than Adelaide.

Anyway, it's just throwing around some names and numbers but it's hard to imagine SOS not positioning us to take full advantage of having the pick #1

I don't mind doing this but King & McGovern, with Curnow, McKay in the forward line.

Another poster already said Smith at 8 would be better if he was available.

I guess down the track we could trade McKay.

 

[bludrew79]

I trust SOS to leave Draft night with both Walsh and Smith in Navy

 

[Arr0w]

Let's try this and of course at this stage many assumptions are to be made.

After what i've put forward, we have McGovern in hand and we're off to the draft with picks #3 and #8
No point bringing Academy nor FS into this for this exercise.

1. GC take Lukosius
2. Adelaide get Rankine
3. Carlton take Walsh
4. Brisbane take Smith
5. Saints take BKing (take the safer King option)
6. Dogs take Hately? Rozee? (they're going to stick fat with the tall forwards and backs they have)
7. Fremantle go Hill. You can never have too many Hills
8. Carlton take Max King if Adelaide finish in this position

Essendon may get in the way though should they finish lower than Adelaide.

Anyway, it's just throwing around some names and numbers but it's hard to imagine SOS not positioning us to take full advantage of having the pick #1

Okay can understand where you are coming from now

Rather than that, given pick 1 could be targeted by a few clubs, surely we could be even more bolder

Why not just ask for Brad Crouch instead of McGovern?

Mitch can then head off to play with his brother at WCE

 

[footyfan1978]

I trust SOS to leave Draft night with both Walsh and Smith in Navy

If SOS gets Smith too, surely cops arrest him for stealing that night.

 

[Aphrodite]

Interesting one, if Grigg was pushed out of the Richmond side due to salary cap with Tom Lynch joining, would Carlton entertain the idea of picking him up for 1-2 season chop out?

How many years since he left now?

No.

 

[LanceRomance]

No.

His mum is a big carlton fan...

 

[Aphrodite]

His mum is a big carlton fan...

Still NO.

 

[AceAndy]

His mum is a big carlton fan...

Nice avatar Lance. i like it

 

[LanceRomance]

Nice avatar Lance. i like it

deal with it

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

It would be a consideration, but if I was GC, I wouldn't pick 2 and 3 this year.

Perhaps a downgrade of pick 1 to pick 3, if the right player/picks was thrown in. That would also give GC 1 and 2

Could be a win win for both clubs

Pick 1 for Brodie and pick 3 maybe?

 

[AceAndy]

deal with it

Wasnt having a go. i think it looks good.

 

[El Topo]

Adelaide's McGovern is as overrated as they come, hard pass

 

[Aphrodite]

His mum is a big carlton fan...

So was/is Goddard's mum.

 

[Heres Waite]

Paul Roos suggesting a Adelaide/Carlton trade of pick 1 for pick 8, 14, and Galluci.

I don’t mind it.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Pick 1 for Brodie and pick 3 maybe?

Reckon it would be achievable.

Gold Coast get to take Picks 1 and 2 to the draft, which is fantastic for their recruitment plans as well as the whole "selling hope" thing. First two picks in a super draft, and all that. Might be tempting for them to go the double SA recruitment to improve the chances of retaining players - Luko and Rankine.

Substitute Scrimshaw or Pick 16 for Brodie, and it still works. Maybe we swap some seconds around to keep things friendly. I do have some concerns over Brodie and Scrimshaw though, they really should have been getting a lot more senior footy than they have to date. Think I'd rather Pick 16 at this stage. 16 would get us Lloyd without any trouble at all, if we can convince him to come. Need to pry one of those Doggies FA mids loose as well (Dahl or Wallis). Dom Tyson for a future pick works.

Picks 23 and 27 to be held until draft night. North will deal for them if Thomas gets a bid before their first pick, and live trading means they can wait until the night to do so. Just have to watch out for other clubs with multiple seconds trying to do the same thing.

Lloyd
Dahlhaus
Tyson
(3) Smith/Walsh
(12) Rozee/Taylor
OR (23) Sparrow/Bytel AND (27) Butters/Berry
(70+) Hickmott (father/son)
Rookies: Silvagni, Penrith?

8-9 changes
2x best 22 senior additions
1x depth senior addition


Simpson, Marchbank, Plowman
Docherty, Weitering, Williamson
O'Brien, Curnow, Lloyd
Kreuzer, Cripps, Fisher
Dow, Curnow, Dahlhaus
Pickett, McKay, Murphy
I/C: Petrevski-Seton, Byrne, Kennedy, best performing draftee

EMG: Tyson, Kerridge, Silvagni, Cuningham

 

[Mr_Plow]

Paul Roos suggesting a Adelaide/Carlton trade of pick 1 for pick 8, 14, and Galluci.

I don’t mind it.

Not a terrible deal. Gallucci is a decent HFF/mid option, similar to Garlett.

Hasn't really done much except show signs.

I wouldn't accept it though, not quite enough.

 

[Robertio]

So was/is Goddard's mum.

We need another back up Ruckman.