Mega Thread 2018 List Management, Free Agency & Trade thread

[apuchar]

Dare I say this.... How about Barlow as for last pick. Senior leader around the club, midfield depth as the young guys develop... particularly if lauchy leaves...

I would think Banfield and Giro would play in our midfield before Barlow especially after another preseason.

 

[Tbonefreo]

Lachie Neale leaving us for brissy is something...i cant put my finger on it.

Honestly thought he would be a docker for life.

 

[apuchar]

Lachie Neale leaving us for brissy is something...i cant put my finger on it.

Honestly thought he would be a docker for life.

Well, we don't know him, really.

 

[purplerunsdeep]

I think you're selling us short. I dont think we should be sending 4 and 5 to Melbourne under any circumstances.

The May situation gives us enough power to not get bent

Yup exactly

If May chooses Melbourne, then it’ll help us a lot. It’ll be a fair to maybe slightly overs trade

But we should also do the same for Neale. Fair but get slightly overs as he’s contracted


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[go_the_dockers]

Melb are after 5 and 6. They said our getting 5 for Neale would mean we have the picks to get it done. I deadset want something back if it gets to that point.

2004, 2005 we would lose, 2017 probably but too early.

2014 we lose, other than that you would take Hogan.

The issue is that the top 8 picks are very good, and we are a long way from a flag.


Selection Drafted player AFL club Club of origin Draft year
5 Adam Cerra Fremantle Eastern Ranges 2017
6 Jaidyn Stephenson Collingwood Eastern Ranges 2017
5 Will Setterfield Greater Western Sydney Sandringham U18 2016
6 Sam Petrevski-Seton Carlton Claremont 2016
5 Darcy Parish Essendon Geelong U18 2015
6 Aaron Francis Essendon West Adelaide 2015
5 Jordan De Goey Collingwood Oakleigh U18 2014
6 Caleb Marchbank Greater Western Sydney Murray U18 2014
5 Kade Kolodjashnij Gold Coast Launceston 2013
6 Matthew Scharenberg Collingwood Glenelg 2013
5 Jake Stringer Western Bulldogs Bendigo U18 2012
6 Jack Macrae Western Bulldogs Oakleigh U18 2012
5 Matt Buntine Greater Western Sydney Dandenong U18 2011
6 Chad Wingard Port Adelaide Sturt 2011
5 Jared Polec Brisbane Lions Woodville-West Torrens 2010
6 Reece Conca Richmond Perth 2010
5 Ben Cunnington North Melbourne Geelong U18 2009
6 Gary Rohan Sydney Swans Geelong U18 2009
5 Michael Hurley Essendon Northern U18 2008
6 Chris Yarran Carlton Swan Districts 2008
5 Jarrad Grant Western Bulldogs Dandenong U18 2007
6 David Myers Essendon Perth 2007
5 Travis Boak Port Adelaide Geelong U18 2006
6 Mitch Thorp Hawthorn Tasmania U18 2006
5 Scott Pendlebury Collingwood Gippsland U18 2005
6 Beau Dowler Hawthorn Oakleigh U18 2005
5 Lance Franklin Hawthorn Perth 2004
6 Tom L. Williams Western Bulldogs Morningside 2004

Even looking at 4,5,6,7 you would probably still win.


4 Luke Davies - Uniacke North Melbourne Dandenong Stingrays 2017
5 Adam Cerra Fremantle Eastern Ranges 2017
6 Jaidyn Stephenson Collingwood Eastern Ranges 2017
7 Hunter Clark St Kilda Dandenong Stingrays 2017
4 Ben Ainsworth Gold Coast Gippsland U18 2016
5 Will Setterfield Greater Western Sydney Sandringham U18 2016
6 Sam Petrevski-Seton Carlton Claremont 2016
7 Jack Scrimshaw Gold Coast Sandringham U18 2016
4 Clayton Oliver Melbourne Murray U18 2015
5 Darcy Parish Essendon Geelong U18 2015
6 Aaron Francis Essendon West Adelaide 2015
7 Jacob Hopper Greater Western Sydney North Ballarat U18 2015
4 Jarrod Pickett Greater Western Sydney South Fremantle 2014
5 Jordan De Goey Collingwood Oakleigh U18 2014
6 Caleb Marchbank Greater Western Sydney Murray U18 2014
7 Paul Ahern Greater Western Sydney Calder U18 2014
4 Marcus Bontempelli Western Bulldogs Northern U18 2013
5 Kade Kolodjashnij Gold Coast Launceston 2013
6 Matthew Scharenberg Collingwood Glenelg 2013
7 James Aish Brisbane Lions Norwood 2013
4 Jimmy Toumpas Melbourne Woodville-West Torrens 2012
5 Jake Stringer Western Bulldogs Bendigo U18 2012
6 Jack Macrae Western Bulldogs Oakleigh U18 2012
7 Ollie Wines Port Adelaide Bendigo U18 2012
4 Will Hoskin-Elliott Greater Western Sydney Western U18 2011
5 Matt Buntine Greater Western Sydney Dandenong U18 2011
6 Chad Wingard Port Adelaide Sturt 2011
7 Nick Haynes Greater Western Sydney Dandenong U18 2011
4 Andrew Gaff West Coast Oakleigh U18 2010
5 Jared Polec Brisbane Lions Woodville-West Torrens 2010
6 Reece Conca Richmond Perth 2010
7 Josh Caddy Gold Coast Northern U18 2010
4 Anthony Morabito Fremantle Peel Thunder 2009
5 Ben Cunnington North Melbourne Geelong U18 2009
6 Gary Rohan Sydney Swans Geelong U18 2009
7 Brad Sheppard West Coast East Fremantle 2009
4 Hamish Hartlett Port Adelaide West Adelaide 2008
5 Michael Hurley Essendon Northern U18 2008
6 Chris Yarran Carlton Swan Districts 2008
7 Daniel Rich Brisbane Lions Subiaco 2008

 

[apuchar]

2004, 2005 we would lose, 2017 probably but too early.

2014 we lose, other than that you would take Hogan.

The issue is that the top 8 picks are very good, and we are a long way from a flag.


Selection Drafted player AFL club Club of origin Draft year
5 Adam Cerra Fremantle Eastern Ranges 2017
6 Jaidyn Stephenson Collingwood Eastern Ranges 2017
5 Will Setterfield Greater Western Sydney Sandringham U18 2016
6 Sam Petrevski-Seton Carlton Claremont 2016
5 Darcy Parish Essendon Geelong U18 2015
6 Aaron Francis Essendon West Adelaide 2015
5 Jordan De Goey Collingwood Oakleigh U18 2014
6 Caleb Marchbank Greater Western Sydney Murray U18 2014
5 Kade Kolodjashnij Gold Coast Launceston 2013
6 Matthew Scharenberg Collingwood Glenelg 2013
5 Jake Stringer Western Bulldogs Bendigo U18 2012
6 Jack Macrae Western Bulldogs Oakleigh U18 2012
5 Matt Buntine Greater Western Sydney Dandenong U18 2011
6 Chad Wingard Port Adelaide Sturt 2011
5 Jared Polec Brisbane Lions Woodville-West Torrens 2010
6 Reece Conca Richmond Perth 2010
5 Ben Cunnington North Melbourne Geelong U18 2009
6 Gary Rohan Sydney Swans Geelong U18 2009
5 Michael Hurley Essendon Northern U18 2008
6 Chris Yarran Carlton Swan Districts 2008
5 Jarrad Grant Western Bulldogs Dandenong U18 2007
6 David Myers Essendon Perth 2007
5 Travis Boak Port Adelaide Geelong U18 2006
6 Mitch Thorp Hawthorn Tasmania U18 2006
5 Scott Pendlebury Collingwood Gippsland U18 2005
6 Beau Dowler Hawthorn Oakleigh U18 2005
5 Lance Franklin Hawthorn Perth 2004
6 Tom L. Williams Western Bulldogs Morningside 2004

Even looking at 4,5,6,7 you would probably still win.


4 Luke Davies - Uniacke North Melbourne Dandenong Stingrays 2017
5 Adam Cerra Fremantle Eastern Ranges 2017
6 Jaidyn Stephenson Collingwood Eastern Ranges 2017
7 Hunter Clark St Kilda Dandenong Stingrays 2017
4 Ben Ainsworth Gold Coast Gippsland U18 2016
5 Will Setterfield Greater Western Sydney Sandringham U18 2016
6 Sam Petrevski-Seton Carlton Claremont 2016
7 Jack Scrimshaw Gold Coast Sandringham U18 2016
4 Clayton Oliver Melbourne Murray U18 2015
5 Darcy Parish Essendon Geelong U18 2015
6 Aaron Francis Essendon West Adelaide 2015
7 Jacob Hopper Greater Western Sydney North Ballarat U18 2015
4 Jarrod Pickett Greater Western Sydney South Fremantle 2014
5 Jordan De Goey Collingwood Oakleigh U18 2014
6 Caleb Marchbank Greater Western Sydney Murray U18 2014
7 Paul Ahern Greater Western Sydney Calder U18 2014
4 Marcus Bontempelli Western Bulldogs Northern U18 2013
5 Kade Kolodjashnij Gold Coast Launceston 2013
6 Matthew Scharenberg Collingwood Glenelg 2013
7 James Aish Brisbane Lions Norwood 2013
4 Jimmy Toumpas Melbourne Woodville-West Torrens 2012
5 Jake Stringer Western Bulldogs Bendigo U18 2012
6 Jack Macrae Western Bulldogs Oakleigh U18 2012
7 Ollie Wines Port Adelaide Bendigo U18 2012
4 Will Hoskin-Elliott Greater Western Sydney Western U18 2011
5 Matt Buntine Greater Western Sydney Dandenong U18 2011
6 Chad Wingard Port Adelaide Sturt 2011
7 Nick Haynes Greater Western Sydney Dandenong U18 2011
4 Andrew Gaff West Coast Oakleigh U18 2010
5 Jared Polec Brisbane Lions Woodville-West Torrens 2010
6 Reece Conca Richmond Perth 2010
7 Josh Caddy Gold Coast Northern U18 2010
4 Anthony Morabito Fremantle Peel Thunder 2009
5 Ben Cunnington North Melbourne Geelong U18 2009
6 Gary Rohan Sydney Swans Geelong U18 2009
7 Brad Sheppard West Coast East Fremantle 2009
4 Hamish Hartlett Port Adelaide West Adelaide 2008
5 Michael Hurley Essendon Northern U18 2008
6 Chris Yarran Carlton Swan Districts 2008
7 Daniel Rich Brisbane Lions Subiaco 2008

That's fine, but I want something back later. We have a lot of holes to fill, not just one.

 

[salim malik]

Iff you add your birth year and your age this year you come up with 2018, every one on the planet fits this bill, only happens every thousand years, Hogan is happening ,its in the stars.

 

[apuchar]

Yup exactly

If May chooses Melbourne, then it’ll help us a lot. It’ll be a fair to maybe slightly overs trade

But we should also do the same for Neale. Fair but get slightly overs as he’s contracted


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Yes, that forces (encourages) them to be reasonable.

 

[Simmofreo]

Oh interesting. Where was this mentioned mate?

I was listening to trade radio. The late bit with boomer.

He said it once and then a listener called up and asked him about it and he said it again. Believes he is a better fit

 

[Unique Name]

Hogan is will be 24yrs old next season. We will have skipped the development years and obtained a very good KPF that should have 7-9 yrs left in the system barring disaster.

Easily worth two 1st's. Pick 5 and our 2019 1st rounder. The Neale trade can get us back in the draft with some nice picks.

 

[Docker82]

People using the Judd trade as an example.

Josh Kennedy may have been a pick 4 and may be the player he is now but he’d kicked 11 goals in 22 games for Carlton. He’d struggled at AFL level and was worth far less than pick 4.

I seem to remember him almost being seen as steak knives at the time. A lot of people seemed to like to say that Carlton didn’t want him. I honestly cannot say I saw enough of him at Carlton to make my own judgement.

It’s hard to say what Kennedy was worth but it was probably not even a top ten pick tbh. Josh Schache played 25 games for 27 goals in two years and went pick 2 two years earlier yet was traded for a couple of second rounders.

 

[RonnieRaven]

hoges For 4,5 walk away
Hoges for 5 and 2019 1st highest I’d go
Hoges and 2nd rd for 5, future 1st perfect gives us 4,22,33
The top 6/7 in this year draft sound just as valuable as hogan
And we will also being giving up a club champion
Hogan played 20 of 22 games but still didn’t make the top 10 best players at Melbourne and comes with moonboot.
No English
No lobb
No kelly
I’m now happy with Neale choice whatever it be.
Disclaimer; No I am not a list manager no need to argue and barter with me just a passion docker sharing his thoughts

 

[Ozzieshark]

It wouldn’t hurt to look at Tom Liberatore as a unrestricted free agent. Looking to move interstate.


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[Deathly]

The value right now is all speculative and I wouldn't be surprised if the 5 & 6 claim is just posturing. If that's their opening price then we will no doubt counter-offer while remaining reasonable. Eagles won't have currency for May and I'm certain they will do what's best for Hogan and get him home. I can't see them acting like GWS or Adelaide. They would be wanting to snatch up the counter of say 5 & 22/ 2018 2nd and fast in fear that Collingwood will jump them. I see May being a reason why they can't play hardball for long.

 

[kp junior]

The value right now is all speculative and I wouldn't be surprised if the 5 & 6 claim is just posturing. If that's their opening price then we will no doubt counter-offer while remaining reasonable. Eagles won't have currency for May and I'm certain they will do what's best for Hogan and get him home. I can't see them acting like GWS or Adelaide. They would be wanting to snatch up the counter of say 5 & 22/ 2018 2nd and fast in fear that Collingwood will jump them. I see May being a reason why they can't play hardball for long.

I'll be staggered if we hang onto a pick 5 or 6 for ourselves, and get Hogan. Can't see it happening.

 

[Cobbler]

It wouldn’t hurt to look at Tom Liberatore as a unrestricted free agent. Looking to move interstate.


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It would hurt.

 

[Cobbler]

hoges For 4,5 walk away
Hoges for 5 and 2019 1st highest I’d go
Hoges and 2nd rd for 5, future 1st perfect gives us 4,22,33
The top 6/7 in this year draft sound just as valuable as hogan
And we will also being giving up a club champion
Hogan played 20 of 22 games but still didn’t make the top 10 best players at Melbourne and comes with moonboot.
No English
No lobb
No kelly
I’m now happy with Neale choice whatever it be.
Disclaimer; No I am not a list manager no need to argue and barter with me just a passion docker sharing his thoughts

Was 3rd in their BnF up until round 16. Then fell away.

 

[Lach72]

Really don’t wan’t to trade out of the first round.
lachie for 4 and 22 as a minimum.
If we could leverage 5 and next years first for hogan and a second or third
We could lose Lachie, gain Hogan, and another second or third plus 22.

Then take Rankine or Smith
I’d be pretty bloody happy with that to be honest

 

[Wally Walpamur]

if Neale goes with lynch compensation we would have pick 5 and 6 plus a second rounder pick 22

offer pick 5,22,77 to st kilda for pick 4,57,75 we need a tall forward given there are three in this draft and carlton likely to pick sam walsh one will slip to four if gold coast pick king brothers it might be luckosius. If we must offer some future picks
st Kilda then pick smith at 5
we then get to extort picks from Adelaide and say to the we will trade this pick to port if you don't give us pick 8 plus pick 14.
however western bulldogs are interested in rozee therefore do a three way deal in which
we end up with western bulldogs pick plus second rounder Adelaide with ours and WB with 8 plus 14 which they will use the 14 to take west
so its a win for everyone except Adelaide WHO WE EXTORTED

however we want ian hill offer first round next year for geelongs pick at 11. Geelong will think we wont make 8 and therefore they think they will get a top ten draft pick if we must offer a sweetner

in summary pick 4, 7, 11, 57, 75, in which we pick lukosius, rozee, hill, medhat, carter
out is future first, Neale, 5, 77


leaving our best 22 at
FB - cox hamling ryan
HB - sHill pearce Wilson
C - Langdon blakely bHill
HF rozee lukosius mundy
FF walters Dixon tabs

ruck darcy fyfe brayshaw
bench cerra bennell iHill logue
cox to his natural intercept marking backman
logue to spend more time midfield same as blakely

Neale for 4 and 22.
Hogan for 4 and 5 and we get back pick 33.

Lose: Neale and pick 4.
Gain: Hogan, pick 22 (Jordan Clarke) and pick 33 (Carter)

Get the best young key forward in the game for 10 years. Losing Neale is massive but Blakely moves to the middle and Carter and Clarke fight for the running half back role.

Bring on 2019.

School goes back on Monday, yeah?

 

[apuchar]

Would this make 4 and 5 more palatable to us? I can't remember a lot about his footy,

Dom Tyson: "Discussions with Dom are about opportunities to play in his prime position as an inside mid. We've gone heavily in the draft in that area and it's probably our strongest area and it's forced him to play in some different roles. He's looking for opportunities to play that role, we're supportive of him to do that. We're comfortable if he wants to stay … but also if an opportunity comes up we'll look at that as well."

 

[Carnthedockers]

I think you're selling us short. I dont think we should be sending 4 and 5 to Melbourne under any circumstances.

The May situation gives us enough power to not get bent

Spot on. Dees want May as much as we want hogan. Whats more there are other Vic clubs waiting to pounce. They can posture all they want. If you believe Trade radio at the start of the week, they believe Neale and May are worth more than Hogan to their respective clubs. Which I myself cant comprehend.

 

[Lach72]

Would this make 4 and 5 more palatable to us? I can't remember a lot about his footy,

Dom Tyson: "Discussions with Dom are about opportunities to play in his prime position as an inside mid. We've gone heavily in the draft in that area and it's probably our strongest area and it's forced him to play in some different roles. He's looking for opportunities to play that role, we're supportive of him to do that. We're comfortable if he wants to stay … but also if an opportunity comes up we'll look at that as well."

Not really.
Would prefer 5 and next years first for Hogan and a 2018 second. Even a third.
We then keep 4 and 22, get Hogan and a third.


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[Lach72]

It would hurt.

Tom has his issues but he’d be handy


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[Dirty_banchez]

Eagles are in the box seat for Lobb.

 

[Rion]

Way too much panic on here. What if the Eagles get him and then what if we give up 4&5. Also Hogan’s foot is about to drop off.

For a start it’s 5&6 and we’re in the midst of a three-way with Port and Brisbane, so probably will never have pick 5.

With Port it could be
5 & 24 for 10 (North Melbourne) & 11;
5 for 11 and 15 (Hawthorn)

Trade 6 and 11 (keep 10)
Trade 6 and 15 (keep 11 and 24)

Strong mail that GCS will add the King twins at 2&3 and if not then Max will be definitely gone at 4. Rankin will very likely available at Pick 5 so Port will be very keen on the pick.

I think the Port stuff might just be a bit of hot air. As it's purely picks why wouldn't Port just wait until draft night where they can get a better idea of where Rankine is likely to fall.

Means that all we're going to be left with is some very high first rounders that Melbourne will want every piece of of. We'd probably get their 2nd back but would still hurt quite a bit.