Mega Thread 2018 Trade Period Discussion part 2! (cont. in Part 3 - link in OP)

[GROTTO]

According to this board Adelaide has 20 elite players and 10 elite prospects plus Richard Douglas and David Mackay, objectivity is a foreign word

Given its summer, maybe someone could set up a new thread and a poll, elite or not.

For me elite would be in no order: Talia, Laird, Sloane and Gibbs.

 

[Red mist]

And yet at the same time we give all the credit to the recruiters and declare our assistant coaches to be halfwits

I don’t get it

It’s pretty obvious who trade departments won’t sit down to.
Son of a gun, not,
This bled into everything.
We ended a damp hose.

 

[macca23]

Back then was it Ayres that basically had the final call wanting Carey basically over Pavlich???

Yes it was. Back in those days, the coach had a say in drafting - or at least Ayres did.

The Angwin fiasco was another Ayres special. All the Recruiting Managers were aware that while he was a talent he had some major personality deficiencies and Fantasia was opposed to drafting him. Ayres insisted we draft him saying he would sort him out because of a relationship through his Hawthorn days with his family.

We know how that turned out.

These days the coach says what type of player he needs and the List Management team do the rest.

 

[jo172]

Given its summer, maybe someone could set up a new thread and a poll, elite or not.

For me elite would be in no order: Talia, Laird, Sloane and Gibbs.

M Crouch.

B Smith and E Betts if they can get back to form.

 

[jo172]

Yes it was. Back in those days, the coach had a say in drafting - or at least Ayres did.

The Angwin fiasco was another Ayres special. All the Recruiting Managers were aware that while he was a talent he had some major personality deficiencies and Fantasia was opposed to drafting him. Ayres insisted we draft him saying he would sort him out because of a relationship through his Hawthorn days with his family.

We know how that turned out.

These days the coach says what type of player he needs and the List Management team do the rest.

On the other hand we would have ended up with Kane.

Got more out of him on the football field, but forever associated with that arseh*le

 

[GreyCrow]

It won't be an outright ban, it'll be something more along the lines of an extra 20% in the salary cap.

Like hmm maybe an AFL Ambassador style type of thing? Oh hang on maybe a COLA arrangement hmm maybe not

 

[Ozzie]

Afl player taking recreatianal drugs? Surely hes taking the piss. We all know afl players wouldn't do that. They're roll models after all.

FFS it's role models. They're not on a roll.
ROLE...get it right!

 

[FR0GGY]

Has Brett Burton been put in charge of big footy?

 

[GreyCrow]

Has Brett Burton been put in charge of big footy?

Are you saying its been hamstrung for the last 12 hours?

 

[Golumless]

McGovern was mostly rated on potential. His ceiling is enormous. He just wasn't able to put it all together for us.

Having said that, our win-loss record with him in, and out, of the side is stark.

The main argument anyone has for McGovern being in our best dozen is because our forward line was built around him being fit and firing.

Not because he had put it together but just how rare it is to have a KPF who is solid defensively.

 

[Idontpullout]

FFS it's role models. They're not on a roll.
ROLE...get it right!

Sorry man. English is my second language. Didn't mean for you get triggered

 

[Golumless]

All of that isn't incorrect, it just rarely happens.

Mitch wouldnt be in our best dozen, not even close.

No. That very much depends on if "bests" is related to production or how vital it is for a side to have x fit.

Production? no McGovern isn't anywhere near our bests. Despite his tools, he never found a way to have consistently solid games.
Vital? You could quite easily make the case that he's top 5. Four tall forwards only worked consistently when Gov was fit because he could provide a decently high level of defense and was a good enough of a target to let Tex/Lynch roam higher. We built our whole forward line with Gov being the piece that made it tick.

The only way he is replacable is through a structural change, with Tex and Lynch playing closer to goal. Now we may have been planning to do that anyway (seeing we were mucking around with moving Gov back near the end of last season) putting Gov into no mans land player wise (and removing what value he had structurally).

 

[Deaneus!]

Thank FSM BigFooty is back

I thought i was going to have to work today

...no pick trades?

 

[baldandbroke]

Won't happen. Player movement genie is out of the bottle.

Not even the AFL can cork it now.

Was thinking about this ... how can they return some balance?

What if

• Players are locked to their first club for the first 4 years.
• Any movement in the first 4 years of a player being in the AFL system - all the power is in the clubs hands. Club can sell the contract to another club.
• After 4 years in the AFL system it's free agency for value based on current compensation formula for equivalent draft points OR trade. So using Tom Lynch (Suns) as an example. He was seen as Pick 3 value in the compensation - so Richmond would need to produce 2234 points to pay for him OR trade with the Suns.
• Introduce a loyalty bonus $ based on the number of consecutive years at the same club (comes in 5th year) - outside of the cap.

Problems?

 

[Golumless]

A few Melbourne fans would disagree with your assessment of Hogan ..

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/enjoy-your-new-junkie-failmantle.1207495/

I'm sure there were a few Adelaide supporters were trying to paint Dangerfield as not a big loss. I know. I was one of them.

 

[Red mist]

Our outlook is not a losing opinion.

 

[Red mist]

No. That very much depends on if "bests" is related to production or how vital it is for a side to have x fit.

Production? no McGovern isn't anywhere near our bests. Despite his tools, he never found a way to have consistently solid games.
Vital? You could quite easily make the case that he's top 5. Four tall forwards only worked consistently when Gov was fit because he could provide a decently high level of defense and was a good enough of a target to let Tex/Lynch roam higher. We built our whole forward line with Gov being the piece that made it tick.

The only way he is replacable is through a structural change, with Tex and Lynch playing closer to goal. Now we may have been planning to do that anyway (seeing we were mucking around with moving Gov back near the end of last season) putting Gov into no mans land player wise (and removing what value he had structurally).

You are a good technician.

 

[Red mist]

I quite liked the look of Lewis Young from the Bulldogs last year. Can take a decent grab down back. I see he's in their reserves now.

Drafted 2016 so I assume that he's in the last year of his initial contract.

Yes I'm biased because he's a Sturt kid.

Which players do people have their eye on?

Lienert

 

[crowsup]

I am a club member, a football fan, I post on this board occasionally. That is the extent of my football involvement. I don’t speak with players, player managers, get to watch players in lower ranks who aren’t getting games.

Compare that to the clubs recruiters who are paid hefty salaries and it’s their job to ensure we go into each season with the best chance of winning a premiership. It is their job to ensure we went in to 2019 with a ruckman capable of not being slaughtered. They failed.

I ended up providing an option, a player that the club identified would help. Now the issue was the money, if that’s the case we have chosen to go into 2019 with a flawed ruck set up because we didn’t want to pay. It’s great saving money but not at the expense of success.

So!! You can actually guarantee that going with Preuss instead of Jacobs would have given the club success! Maybe you can tell the club who to draft this year to guarantee us success for the next 10 years.
How stupid is the club not to want to pay one player more than $1M, when that player would give them a premiership. I mean, the dogs did it with Boyd. Richmond got a remiership soon after they decided to pay Martin more than $1M. So it should be easy to identify one player in the system that, by paying him big money, would guarantee success. (I take it that by success you mean premierships).
I wonder what happened to Sydney. They paid more than $1M each for Buddy and Tippett.
Just in case sarcasm is not one of your forte', I think that you're being very presumptious to believe that the club would not pay more money for one player if they believed it would make the club more successful.

 

[Red mist]

Thank FSM BigFooty is back

I thought i was going to have to work today

...no pick trades?

Go watch the warriors

 

[Stiffy_18]

The main argument anyone has for McGovern being in our best dozen is because our forward line was built around him being fit and firing.

Not because he had put it together but just how rare it is to have a KPF who is solid defensively.

But was the forward line built around him? I don't think it was but he was part of the forward line. His athletic ability alsong with his size and marking ability allowed us to have a different mix, a mix that is a bit more difficult to defend. It wasn't our pillar of the forward line.

I think our forward line built more around Tex than it is around McGovern. Would I rather have McGovern than not? Sure, but I am not going to say our forward line is shot because we lost a player who has missed 5 months of football over last two seasons.

Something tells me Hamish is going to pull a surprise come draft night and draft Sam Sturt as McGovern's long term replacement

 

[Eagleboy2011]

Sorry man. English is my second language. Didn't mean for you get triggered

I was out of the country at the time so last night was the first time I could watch our round 22 match against NM. Gov played an average game in attack but when Doedee came off and Gov went into our backline he played a blinder. Saved us the game. Made a few disposal errors but repeatedly repelled attack much the same as his brother does at WC. His value is his marking and he is a good multi positional player.

 

[TexForPM]

This notion that we aren't "into" Rankine or don't rate him is an absolute fallacy and I'd love to know who concocted it.

The crows probably to keep the rest away.
Look at our forward line. It's crying out for Rankine not luko.

 

[Red mist]

But was the forward line built around him? I don't think it was but he was part of the forward line. His athletic ability alsong with his size and marking ability allowed us to have a different mix, a mix that is a bit more difficult to defend. It wasn't our pillar of the forward line.

I think our forward line built more around Tex than it is around McGovern. Would I rather have McGovern than not? Sure, but I am not going to say our forward line is shot because we lost a player who has missed 5 months of football over last two seasons.

Something tells me Hamish is going to pull a surprise come draft night and draft Sam Sturt as McGovern's long term replacement

Thing is, he broke shit. System and structure. He broke a lot.

 

[GROTTO]

An interesting thread on the main board. Please look and join in.

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...eams-put-up-with.1207657/page-2#post-58573131