2019 4th Ashes Test 2019 Old Trafford

[Topkent]

I’d bring in perry and Healey (Alyssa) for our openers.

Nice we would be even shitter.

 

[HBF]

Jesus, Paine has just about stamped his papers with that Cummins edge. It hasn’t been the first time in this series either.0

His first instinct for an edge only slightly wide is always for first slip to take it, as soon an older keeper starts doing that, it’s time to go.

Paine simply had to go for that edge. First slip should rarely have to dive towards the keeper

 

[CrowBloke]

Why don't you analyse how many of those top 3 had scored 50's or more before he got them out? and how many were not Sri Lankan or West Indies - the worst two teams around for batting against fast bowling.

Happily , because the stats you've asked me to look at support my position.
He's taken 116 wickets (54.9%) vs England (51) and India (31) and SA (34), with 58 (27.5%) vs Sri Lanka (46) and WI (12).
That's twice as many wickets from 'stronger' teams and, let's face it, he can only dismiss the batsmen other countries dish up. He should get more Sri Lankans (46) --- and he does!

The more batsmen he gets out after they've scored 50+, the better, because they are set and harder to dismiss. You can't assume they got all their 50 runs off him.

Finally, "how many were not Sri Lankan or West Indies"??
72.5%.
(http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Players/PlayerOpponents.asp?PlayerID=3830#bowl)
Nearly three-quarters were not Sri Lankan or West Indies. Good numbers, I'd say.

Even so, I agree with you and other anti-Starc fans that he bowled badly last night.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Nice we would be even s**tter.

Current ones giving zero so doubt they would do worse.

 

[Topkent]

Paine simply had to go for that edge. First slip should rarely have to dive towards the keeper

Yep even the last test Warner had to take 2 catches to his left that looked awesome but should never have been his. Has Paine taken any catches going to his right this series? He's very poor and that was another terrible mistake

 

[Bradesmaen]

The more batsmen he gets out after they've scored 50+, the better, because they are set and harder to dismiss. You can't assume they got all their 50 runs off him.

What I meant by this is that he doesn't take a lot of wickets with the new ball despite him being a new ball bowler (as evidenced by his ODI bowling). The reason being that in ODI cricket you are trying to score off of nearly every ball and in Test Cricket they can just leave the wide shit alone and bat for ages, see off anything that MIGHT be good from him and then plunder runs off him later when the ball is older.

 

[Topkent]

Current ones giving zero so doubt they would do worse.

You're just being stupid though. The girls would struggle to even make contact at that speed.

 

[HBF]

Some reward for Hazelwood at least.

Hopefully we can run through them in the first session with the new ball.

The new ball will go along way in deciding this test match. If we get the poms out early it's game on for us, if they survive then I reckon its heading for a draw

 

[CrowBloke]

Was the bloke who called him "you flipping cheat" ejected from the ground?
(I doubt it)

 

[beta_condition]

Nice we would be even s**tter.

Take away Warner's 60 odd and he is averaging a mighty 3 for the series.

 

[ABAB]

What I meant by this is that he doesn't take a lot of wickets with the new ball despite him being a new ball bowler (as evidenced by his ODI bowling). The reason being that in ODI cricket you are trying to score off of nearly every ball and in Test Cricket they can just leave the wide s**t alone and bat for ages, see off anything that MIGHT be good from him and then plunder runs off him later when the ball is older.

That's why his in swinger to right and left handers were excellent delivery with the new ball.

 

[beta_condition]

If all the averages stay the same as they are now even if Smith made 3 ducks in a row he would average the most still.

 

[Pykie]

Well how did he take over 200 wickets at an ave of 28 then ???...if he is in a form slump his entire career!!!

This line always amuses me.

200 @ 28 is not some sort of badge of honor as an Australian quick with his SR of 50.23.

It's actually a complete indictment on how expensive he is.


He has the best SR from an Australian bowler with more than 100 wickets other than Pat Cummins.

If he had just average control and an average economy rate, he'd probably average around 22 or 23 and be an all time great. (Look at Cummins average 21.63)

Look at Ryan Harris, who has an almost identical SR of 50.76 and a decent economy rate of 2.78.

He averaged 23.52.


The only players with similar SR and economy rates are Brett Lee and Mitchell Johnson, both maligned for long periods of their test careers. Starc certainly hasn't been dropped or subjected to anywhere near the same treatment as Johnson was during his test career and Johnson was just a flat out more destructive bowler.

Johnson destroyed the top order, not the tail.


Brett Lee got to hide behind and was bailed out by the greatest test side in history and Australian's best bowling combination.

 

[Bradesmaen]

That's why his in swinger to right and left handers were excellent delivery with the new ball.

So excellent he ended with 0 wickets.

 

[Crankyhawk]

You're just being stupid though. The girls would struggle to even make contact at that speed.

Possibly. Would genuinely like to see it tried at shield level and see.
It’s more a statement about how shit the openers are.

 

[Lynnsanity]

Having 500 in the back of their minds as opposed to 4xx is a definite psychological advantage. If you can’t grasp that I’m not sure there’s much more to add.

Are you one of those guys that is more inclined to buy a new car because it is advertised as $24999 rather than $25000?

Seriously

 

[thejockey]

I’m sorry, when you have bowlers like Pattinson and Siddle in the sheds and Richardson when he recovers, you don’t pick an expensive tail specialist.

It puts far too much pressure on the other 3 bowlers.

Trust me I’m no huge Starc fan but it’s worth the roll of the dice , he is picked for potential shock value not to roll out line and length .

Siddle just adds a stock bowler into the mix and Pattinson can’t back up tests with his body so was never playing this test anyway .

Hazlewood and Cummins can stock or attack .
Will know in in a few days if it pays off

 

[HODGEYROAD]

I'd think about enforcing the follow on if we roll them for under 297.

 

[ams4crows]

Surely Malan is a better option than Roy I thought he was quite good in Australia showed some good signs.

To be fair moving Roy down to 5 did get them 20 extra runs

 

[ABAB]

So excellent he ended with 0 wickets.

That's why I said he seem to have lost the ability to bowl those delivery the new ball so he shouldn't get the new ball and waste it as he doesn't make the openers play with those threatening delivery anymore.

 

[ABAB]

I'd think about enforcing the follow on if we roll them for under 297.

No way, get another 200 and set them 450 for them to get in 4 sessions, forecast for the next 2 days are excellent (+ an extra hour play in both those day to make up for the rain so there is plenty of time).

 

[ams4crows]

All bowlers should learn from Hazelwood look how he got all his wickets just outside off or hitting the stumps its not rocket science just bowl in good areas, no need for an entire over of short stuff that should be used as a suprise 1 ball every 4 overs or so

 

[kozi]

Are you one of those guys that is more inclined to buy a new car because it is advertised as $24999 rather than $25000?

Seriously

No, but ever wonder why companies advertise it as $24999 as opposed to $25000? Companies with millions of dollars worth of market research understand basic human psychology which you don’t.

 

[ROOTA#6]

That's why I said he seem to have lost the ability to bowl those delivery the new ball so he shouldn't get the new ball and waste it as he doesn't make the openers play with those threatening delivery anymore.

He just shouldn’t be picked 90% of people in here could see this is exactly what would happen...the selectors and coached are if their heads!

 

[CrowBloke]

1) What I meant by this is that he doesn't take a lot of wickets with the new ball despite him being a new ball bowler (as evidenced by his ODI bowling). The reason being that in ODI cricket you are trying to score off of nearly every ball and in Test Cricket they can just leave the wide s**t alone and bat for ages, see off anything that MIGHT be good from him and then 2) plunder runs off him later when the ball is older.

1) OK, I see what you mean about the new ball. He bowled some motley garbage last night.
2) yeah, but they don't "plunder" runs off him. That's just not true.
His avge/wicket is 28*. RR 3.39/over. SR, wicket every 50 balls.
Of Aussie bowlers to take 200 Test wickets, he got his in the 11th quickest number of Tests, ever (50). None of the current Aussie bowlers got 200 wickets faster than Starc.
(http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283534.html)

*above --- that equates to 3/84 off 25 overs, EVERY time he bowls (on average). As an ex-bowler (but only A-grade TURF in Adelaide), I'd take that at Test level.
Cummins' numbers equate to 3/65 off 23 overs, EVERY TIME he bowls (probably why he's currently #1 in the world!).
Hazlewood averages 3/78 off 28 overs, EVERY time bowls.