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If that's the angle you choose to look sure. Still think we should be playing the game as if it's 2-2 then there can't be any arguments if we win the last game
4th Ashes Test England v Australia July 19-23 1930hrs @ Old Trafford
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Totally agree that needs to be our attitude in the last test.
On the 5th test (when is the thread going to be up for it?) I'm starting to come around to the thinking of making a few changes, particularly with the bowling.
We've just played five tests in a very compressed schedule (thanks to The Hundred, boo) and they've been on uncharacteristically flat decks. This, (along with poor strategy at times) has led us to do more short pitched bowling as well which can be taxing. There has been no sub-200 innings to give them that 'bonus rest'.
A couple of the guys may be hurt (Starc, Marsh) and Cummins is surely buggered. Also, over a long series unless a bowler genuinely has it over a batsman, then the batsman get used to that/those bowlers and are well practised at playing them.
Throwing in a fresh Neser or Abbott would freshen up the team whilst unsettling the opposition batsmen a bit too. (The introduction of Wood and Woakes worked wonders for England) We've got the Ashes and we can afford to take the risk I think.
It may seem unfair to pull the rug out on the guys who have done all the hard work up until now, but it's a team game and I think this is worth some thought.
We've just played five tests in a very compressed schedule (thanks to The Hundred, boo) and they've been on uncharacteristically flat decks. This, (along with poor strategy at times) has led us to do more short pitched bowling as well which can be taxing. There has been no sub-200 innings to give them that 'bonus rest'.
A couple of the guys may be hurt (Starc, Marsh) and Cummins is surely buggered. Also, over a long series unless a bowler genuinely has it over a batsman, then the batsman get used to that/those bowlers and are well practised at playing them.
Throwing in a fresh Neser or Abbott would freshen up the team whilst unsettling the opposition batsmen a bit too. (The introduction of Wood and Woakes worked wonders for England) We've got the Ashes and we can afford to take the risk I think.
It may seem unfair to pull the rug out on the guys who have done all the hard work up until now, but it's a team game and I think this is worth some thought.
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Hard to see how both Starc and haze will be right for this test. Both looked spent in Manchester. Cummins largely the same.
This is true, except that the rain was forecast to wash out most of day 4 and 5 before the first ball had even been bowled. It wasn't a surprise that it did occur.
England made no adjustment to try and take the 20 aussie wickets before the rain came. It's their own fault for not being in a position to get a result.
Good old Bazball hubris on display.
Yeah that’s the thing, but he’s got to get through a season first. I heard one of his recent concussions was from a hit to the head from a volleyball pre game, real worry that
not if it's pissing down with rain, though?You're literally quoting an opinion piece from an Australian journalist as proof of 'England' wanting to change how the Ashes are retained, of course it's relevant...
On a separate topic related to my points about potentially exploring using a ball that will allow more play to be achieved:
Dukes tells England to use its pink ball so Ashes Tests can be played in the dark
English cricket is 'stuck in the past', says Dukes chief Dilip Jajodiainews.co.uk
Get him a triple size helmet....lol
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And I am sure that's what Australia will be doing. But the English talking about being just 'luck' away from 2-2 goes the other way too, they were luck away from being 3-1 down going into the final Test. In a five-game series, luck rarely decides who is the overall winner and loser.
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Love this, so true, but have to spoil your fun phil. Haigh is an Aussie, isnt he?
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wait, wait, wait - you're saying, let me get this straight:
If England WIN, then it will feel like Australia LOSE?
Are you sure about this? Sounds strange tho distinctly Bazballish
I enjoy their delusion and sense of entitlement. Always an excuse, always the victim.Colour me shocked.
Brook believes winning at the Oval would be ‘moral victory’ for England
The batter said his side would have won fourth Test if not for rain but Australia will retain the Ashes whatever the result in the final matchwww.theguardian.com
Let's look at it the other way, Australia's strategy was to play steady uniform test cricket and wait for the hubris of bazball to f. uck up. It did in three of four tests
1st, the idiotic declaration day one, then the incredibly panicked field placings at the end of the game
1-0
2nd, England 1-180, throw away their wickets in the quest for entertainment. If it wasn't for Stokes they lose by 200 runs
2-0
3rd, England win but only by a couple of wickets, they were the better team and surprisingly didn't screw the pooch
2-1
4th, the hubris of allowing his mate to have the romantic redemption century, wasting 16 overs. They bowled 71 and got 5 wickets, those extra 16 could have been vital.
2-1 Ashes retained.
So Australia have exploited the flaws of the cult of bazball while not really firing all series and having the worst of the conditions every single test
If you want to talk about luck, try four coin tosses on the trott at home.
We have had one piece of luck while the 2-1 current result is due to good Aussie strategy and England mistakes and basic bazball flaws.
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Then he is in great company so dont change anything Green. I have seen him play 'a swashbuckling innings' on more than one occasion, specifically, last India tour when a declaration was imminent, from memory he smacked a very good Indian attack for four sixes and several fours in a demolition 84*.
maybe depends what you're smoking...
Bit like Paddy McCartin's last concussion. Utterly innocuous. Puvcoski the obvious man to replace Warner otherwise.
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There's 3 things I can never remember - names, nationalities, and the third thing
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Luckier than England in 2013? Debatable.
Medical professionals who have assessed him have suggested most of his "concussions" are not genuine concussions but are actually mental health issues. I wonder if it's almost like "PTSD" for him where he gets hit in the head and has concussion like symptoms because of challenges in the past.
The positive there is it hopefully means his physical health isn't deteriorating. Though given these struggles seem to constantly cause him to take a break, I don't see a world where he has a sustained international career which probably means we need to look elsewhere.
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The trouble is unless he fixes his technique plus any mental issues he’s going to face a short ball barrage at test level from the fastest bowlers in the world. It’s a recipe for disaster if he’s not 100% physically, mentally and technically
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Love to know how we have been luckier than that side
Topkent
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Because we got saved from losing the unloseable series. Cummins gets to say he retained the ashes rather than being the only Australian captain to drop a 5 game series 2-0 up.
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