4th Ashes Test England v Australia July 19-23 1930hrs @ Old Trafford

[LukeParkerno1]

Because we got saved from losing the unloseable series. Cummins gets to say he retained the ashes rather than being the only Australian captain to drop a 5 game series 2-0 up.

You do know we can win or draw the last one right…we can win the series outright both ways

 

[Topkent]

You do know we can win or draw the last one right…we can win the series outright both ways

Yeah we weren't turning that around. You'd be as delusional as the poms to think that.

 

[philreich]

Love to know how we have been luckier than that side

Yeah we were so lucky to lose Nathan Lyon - the Poms would have wrapped up the Ashes by now if he was still playing .

 

[Rambis]

Lets not forget Test 4 was shaped by the likelyhood of rain taking a day or two. It wasnt as though the rain appeared from nowhere cancelled the game. It was in both teams planning. Knowing that you can see that Labuschagne and Marsh guided Australia to one of the two desired outcomes they had leading into the likely 3.5 day test. Sure it was helped by very poor bowling by England but is partnership for the ages. The English gave it a good shot but because they were 2-1 down their task was always going to be harder than the task Aus had to draw or win the game. Aus have had a good tour only losing 1 of the 5 tests they have played so far and have pocketed the world cup and the urn for the flight home.

 

[Riviat]

I assume this is satire

I wouldn't put it past the English to say something like this that isn't satire

 

[Cuzz09]

Get him a triple size helmet....lol

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[frankrizzo]

Because we got saved from losing the unloseable series. Cummins gets to say he retained the ashes rather than being the only Australian captain to drop a 5 game series 2-0 up.

Seems like you really just dont like cummins and you were hoping we lost the series so you could shit on him so now you have to do these mental gymnastics to convince yourself no matter what happens cummins is a loser

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Yeah we weren't turning that around. You'd be as delusional as the poms to think that.

There's weather around, and this side has bounced back from bad tests. Honestly we weren't even that far off last test, we went in with a plan, stack the batting there was never enough time. Look at the other 3 tests, we should have won all of them, been easily the better side with ought our best spinner there for most of them.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Yeah we were so lucky to lose Nathan Lyon - the Poms would have wrapped up the Ashes by now if he was still playing .

Yes and we were so lucky Stokes wasn't given dead in front before he actually won the only match they did...so lucky I swear

Or we are just so lucky to lose every toss, be batting in worse conditions

It's all luck

 

[dopefish]

I may not know as much about the game as stokes but I do know that they only way for England to win the ashes was to take 20 wickets. That should have been the priority not putting on runs that may or may not have mattered.

The amount of delusion in the English camp is slightly concerning. Has Macullum created a cult?View attachment 1756063

Stokes is so far up his own arse. Surely he could admit that even a declaration 20 overs earlier would have probably reaped them a couple of extra wickets, given how demoralised we were, and then a much better chance to take the last four in 30 overs the next day.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Stokes is so far up his own arse. Surely he could admit that even a declaration 20 overs earlier would have probably reaped them a couple of extra wickets, given how demoralised we were, and then a much better chance to take the last four in 30 overs the next day.

Also...if there ever was a time to declare at parity or not much more this was it. You have your Bazball, can score at 6-7 an over to chase a target maybe even 8 an over. Why do it the other way which is flawed with risk of the weather.

 

[dopefish]

Colour me shocked.

Brook believes winning at the Oval would be ‘moral victory’ for England

The batter said his side would have won fourth Test if not for rain but Australia will retain the Ashes whatever the result in the final match

www.theguardian.com

The Poms aren't great with the English language. Firstly, Tears Morgan doesn't seem to understand what a pyrrhic victory is, and now Brook doesn't appear to know what a moral victory actually is. I mean shit, at least google these terms before you use them ya drongos!

 

[PhatBoy]

There's weather around, and this side has bounced back from bad tests. Honestly we weren't even that far off last test, we went in with a plan, stack the batting there was never enough time. Look at the other 3 tests, we should have won all of them, been easily the better side with ought our best spinner there for most of them.

This is no less delusional than some of the English hyperbole

 

[PhatBoy]

Yes and we were so lucky Stokes wasn't given dead in front before he actually won the only match they did...so lucky I swear

Or we are just so lucky to lose every toss, be batting in worse conditions

It's all luck

I keep seeing this shit about the conditions.

One test you could argue that. That’s it. A few clouds coming and going doesn’t change that.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I keep seeing this s**t about the conditions.

One test you could argue that. That’s it. A few clouds coming and going doesn’t change that.

One test? Try 3 and I'm generous with one of them. Green tinge's you want to make use of it. England have had everything go their way and yet we still lead. Could easily end 3-1, or we defend the 2-1. Hopefully we bat first and slowly for 2 days then lets see how brave these "we have morally won" Poms are.

 

[PhatBoy]

One test? Try 3 and I'm generous with one of them. Green tinge's you want to make use of it. England have had everything go their way and yet we still lead. Could easily end 3-1, or we defend the 2-1. Hopefully we bat first and slowly for 2 days then lets see how brave these "we have morally won" Poms are.

When has it been ‘hard.’ Tell me.

On the first pitch the only real movement of any sort was for about two milliseconds on day one - they batted.
The second, yes it was greenish on day one. And Australia batted.
In the third test the pitch was hard and fast and didn’t move much at all. It had next to no impact on the match apart from helping Mark Wood.
This test it didn’t help anyone.

Cloud cover is the only thing that’s changed at all and even that’s just a thrashwank. We keep seeing stats about who has gotten the most swing:

You don’t think that’s as much to do with England playing a specialist swing bowler in 3 of 4 tests as well as two others who do it bloody well. Even Wood swings it.
Australia has one swing bowler and by and large have played 4 other pitch-hitters.

Wow, it’s gotten cloudy a few times. Who cares?

Not sure what your last point is about.

One of the key things everyone has given the English shit about is declaring on the first day of the series. Not really sure why 17 days of play later they need to prove whether they can play brave cricket or not.

 

[frankrizzo]

was all three tests i honestly cant recall such a wild swing between conditions for two sides in a series anybody saying otherwise either is trolling or just didnt actually watch games

 

[PhatBoy]

was all three tests i honestly cant recall such a wild swing between conditions for two sides in a series anybody saying otherwise either is trolling or just didnt actually watch games

Tell me when the conditions have been ‘hard’ for batting.

 

[PhatBoy]

It’s the same as teams coming to Australia and pissing their pants about day night tests. Get better at making the ball swing instead of looking for explanations about timing etc etc.

 

[Dazzler9]

When has it been ‘hard.’ Tell me.

On the first pitch the only real movement of any sort was for about two milliseconds on day one - they batted.
The second, yes it was greenish on day one. And Australia batted.
In the third test the pitch was hard and fast and didn’t move much at all. It had next to no impact on the match apart from helping Mark Wood.
This test it didn’t help anyone.

Cloud cover is the only thing that’s changed at all and even that’s just a thrashwank. We keep seeing stats about who has gotten the most swing:

You don’t think that’s as much to do with England playing a specialist swing bowler in 3 of 4 tests as well as two others who do it bloody well. Even Wood swings it.
Australia has one swing bowler and by and large have played 4 other pitch-hitters.

Wow, it’s gotten cloudy a few times. Who cares?

Not sure what your last point is about.

One of the key things everyone has given the English s**t about is declaring on the first day of the series. Not really sure why 17 days of play later they need to prove whether they can play brave cricket or not.

In England, "you don't look down at the toss, you look up." Cloud cover provides a definite boost to the fielding side in the UK, and England have jagged the cloudy periods all series.

 

[frankrizzo]

Tell me when the conditions have been ‘hard’ for batting.

Australia had clearly worst of the batting conditions in first three tests hell even sky comms regular discussed it and accepted it its not open for debate its just accepted by pretty much everybody, if you think different thats your choice but im not going to waste time debating something so clear.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Australia had clearly worst of the batting conditions in first three tests hell even sky comms regular discussed it and accepted it its not open for debate its just accepted by pretty much everybody, if you think different thats your choice but im not going to waste time debating something so clear.

Exactly. Even the English commentators and heck even Kumar I want to be a Pom Sangakara admitted it

 

[frankrizzo]

It’s the same as teams coming to Australia and pissing their pants about day night tests. Get better at making the ball swing instead of looking for explanations about timing etc etc.

Pink ball tests are a tough one they are their own unique challenge especially with things like needing to sometimes declare early under lights so i have no issue with sides not wanting to play pink ball games when they tour especially if they are inexperienced with them and its a shorter series.

 

[PhatBoy]

Australia had clearly worst of the batting conditions in first three tests hell even sky comms regular discussed it and accepted it its not open for debate its just accepted by pretty much everybody, if you think different thats your choice but im not going to waste time debating something so clear.

And their evidence for this was?

The movement data.

Tell me when you would ever, ever - sunshine, clouds, green tops or dry pitches - expect a combination of Hazlewood, Starc, Green, Marsh, Boland and Cummins, to get the same amount of movement as Anderson, Broad, Woakes, Tongue, Wood, Robinson and Stokes, with a Dukes ball?

Better bowlers? Overall probably yes. As consistent at moving the ball? No.

Getting some clouds come over to accomodate the narrative doesn’t suddenly mean Australia has spent the series getting stuck on minefields.

Neither side has faced anything resembling genuinely tough conditions. Day one at Lords was the closest to it and to their credit Australia did very well.

 

[Dazzler9]

And their evidence for this was?

The movement data.

Tell me when you would ever, ever - sunshine, clouds, green tops or dry pitches - expect a combination of Hazlewood, Starc, Green, Marsh, Boland and Cummins, to get the same amount of movement as Anderson, Broad, Woakes, Tongue, Wood, Robinson and Stokes, with a Dukes ball?

Better bowlers? Overall probably yes. As consistent at moving the ball? No.

Getting some clouds come over to accomodate the narrative doesn’t suddenly mean Australia has spent the series getting stuck on minefields.

Neither side has faced anything resembling genuinely tough conditions. Day one at Lords was the closest to it and to their credit Australia did very well.

All anybody's saying is that England has had the better of the conditions. That is what happened, regardless of minefield pitches. When the cloud comes in, Broad and co are best suited to exploiting it. As a result, our batsmen have had to work damn hard to overcome it, something England have yet to worry about.