4th Ashes Test England v Australia July 19-23 1930hrs @ Old Trafford

[PhatBoy]

All anybody's saying is that England has had the better of the conditions. That is what happened, regardless of minefield pitches. When the cloud comes in, Broad and co are best suited to exploiting it. As a result, our batsmen have had to work damn hard to overcome it, something England have yet to worry about.

I genuinely don’t believe beyond that first day at Lords when as I said Australia did do genuinely well to post the score they did, either side has had to work hard regarding any extra factors.

I think both orders have faced some good, consistent bowling at times and also some fairly uninspired stuff.

The luck factor of losing the tosses I agree with - not for any conditional factors but the idea that England can steer the game.

 

[grumbleguts]

You have already pretty much..

Needs syringes in the cups.

 

[grumbleguts]

I'm so unfit, that I get a stitch when my nose runs .

Yeah, but ol' Bairslow looks like he was poured into his clothes and forgot to say when.

 

[grumbleguts]

Does he?
Again, I get why people have a shot at him about the incident at Lords and his catching.

He seems immune to praise in many respects though because he has actually had a lot of bloody impressive moments in test cricket and all anyone seems to harp on about is his demeanour and his weight.

Like Englishmen who would only think of Merv Hughes as a loud mouthed portly fast bowler: in reality he was very very skilful and one of the most whole hearted quicks Australia has ever had.

Clues are going at 25 cents each, go buy yourself one.

 

[philreich]

Yeah, but ol' Bairslow looks like he was poured into his clothes and forgot to say when.

I was at a mate's house last night. His son in law is considering whisking his daughter off to Tasmania, and he's not happy about it. He said, "But at the end of the day, I can't tell them what to do - I can only offer advice. Be a bit of a back stop, if you know what I mean."

I replied, "Well just don't be a Bairstow."

He stared at me and said, "That was uncalled for."

 

[grumbleguts]

I was at a mate's house last night. His son in law is considering whisking his daughter off to Tasmania, and he's not happy about it. He said, "But at the end of the day, I can't tell them what to do - I can only offer advice. Be a bit of a back stop, if you know what I mean."

I replied, "Well just don't be a Bairstow."

He stared at me and said, "That was uncalled for."

I bet he hasn't caught covid.

 

[grumbleguts]

Australia retain the ashes by default. Wow

Australia retained the Ashes by default – time to change Test cricket’s outdated rules

Imagine how much better it would be if the fifth Test at the Oval was alive and kicking?

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"We win the ashes we don't retain" That w@nker has already written off the 5th test. Why wouldn't the team 2-1 up go in as favourites? We have won 2 tests to 1 and against all conditions and tosses.

 

[grumbleguts]

Zac Crawley is going to be pissed when Broad discounts this series as never having happened.

 

[Purple Suit]

All anybody's saying is that England has had the better of the conditions. That is what happened, regardless of minefield pitches. When the cloud comes in, Broad and co are best suited to exploiting it. As a result, our batsmen have had to work damn hard to overcome it, something England have yet to worry about.

Yep, England had a short burst of bad conditions when we got Pope & Root out at Lords in light drizzle. Besides that, it's almost been sunny for the Poms every time they are batting & they have won every toss.

The rain makes up for it though, it was just strange England were playing like it wasn't an issue last test. I secretly like to imagine that we were bowling pies with bad fields to keep them out there on day 3 of the last test but don't give Cummins or Ronald that much credit.

 

[King Elvis]

That's my favourite image of the entire Ashes. Classic.

Bucket hats are so floggish, thank Christ they haven't appeared in the Aussie team as yet.

 

[King Elvis]

Stokes is so far up his own arse. Surely he could admit that even a declaration 20 overs earlier would have probably reaped them a couple of extra wickets, given how demoralised we were, and then a much better chance to take the last four in 30 overs the next day.

If I was a pom, this would be really pissing me off.

Backing in your plans is one thing - refusing to even entertain the fact that you might have made a mistake (when you did, repeatedly) is another thing entirely.

 

[Joffaboy]

Because we got saved from losing the unloseable series. Cummins gets to say he retained the ashes rather than being the only Australian captain to drop a 5 game series 2-0 up.

So we were going to lose a 5 test series at 2 all.
Ok makes total sense.

As for Haigh, look at his tee and tell me he isn't a pommy troll

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[Dazzler9]

So we were going to lose a 5 test series at 2 all.
Ok makes total sense.

As for Haigh, look at his tee and tell me he isn't a pommy trollView attachment 1756436

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Sure would like to see the rest of that t-shirt before jumping to any conclusions.

 

[PhatBoy]

Sure would like to see the rest of that t-shirt before jumping to any conclusions.

Could be the cricketing equivalent of an Osama Bin Laden world hide and seek champion t-shirt for all anyone knows

 

[Filthy Sanchez]

wait, wait, wait - you're saying, let me get this straight:

If England WIN, then it will feel like Australia LOSE?

Are you sure about this? Sounds strange tho distinctly Bazballish

I'm,sorry if my typing error confused you


Going three matches without a win will make the Aussies kinda feel like they've lost. Particuarly as it's the last time so many of them will ever get the chance at that elusive Away Ashes win.

 

[The Passenger]

4th, the hubris of allowing his mate to have the romantic redemption century, wasting 16 overs. They bowled 71 and got 5 wickets, those extra 16 could have been vital.
2-1 Ashes retained.

If the declared 16 overs that would have cost them about 100 runs so Australia would have been in front, assuming everything plays out the same way (which we'll never know)...

But as a general rule, I do agree they should have declared somewhere between 150 and 200 in front at Old Trafford.

Given the obvious time constraints that were coming, there was just zero point to scoring any unnecessary runs.

The ultimate scenario for England would have been winning by an innings and 5 runs with the rain starting about fifteen minutes later which would have meant Stokes got his declaration bang on.

In the end we were 5 down and looking pretty comfortable. I'm not convinced in the slightest England would have got us even with another full session, although admittedly the new ball was due in about 9 overs, however you can throw a caveat on that because it would have got wet pretty quickly so might not have been super effective. Anyway, the pattern of the match was looking like we could have held out for another 3 or so hours, which also would have given us a lead that would have taken England at least an hour to chase down. So the way it played out they probably need a full day over days 4 and 5.

The ultimate disaster scenario - which I posted whilst Bairstow was batting - was Australia finishing the match something like 8 down and 100 runs shy of England... Whilst I think we did look pretty comfortable at the crease this scenario was not a million miles from playing out. It would have been brutal on our hearts but now it's all said and done a pretty sizeable chunk of me wished we did lose three more wickets.

 

[The Passenger]

When has it been ‘hard.’ Tell me.

England had to face a prolonged spell under darkish skies at Lords and lost 6/40(ish).

 

[grumbleguts]

Sure would like to see the rest of that t-shirt before jumping to any conclusions.

It says "Douglas Jardine was a hero, and Australia is entirely populated by useless uneducated convicts."

 

[Topkent]

So we were going to lose a 5 test series at 2 all.
Ok makes total sense.

As for Haigh, look at his tee and tell me he isn't a pommy trollView attachment 1756436

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Mate take off your Aussie glasses for a minute, we were not even close to them in the 4th game and they've been improving all series while we haven't been. None of our bowlers average under 29 and just got smashed. Meanwhile if they drop Anderson for Tongue they're humming

 

[4Seasons]

Considering the betting markets over the last three days it wasn't just me and Ben Stokes.

Worth noting that Royal Liverpool which is only 80 minutes away was forecast to get bad weather on the Saturday didn't get any of the anticipated bad weather.

Betting markets?
Degenerates have nothing to do with cricket, they are their own separate thing.

 

[The hands of stone]

Yeah that’s the thing, but he’s got to get through a season first. I heard one of his recent concussions was from a hit to the head from a volleyball pre game, real worry that

I wouldn't be putting too much hope on him returning to the top flight tbh.
Its very much a get your feet in the water and see how you go , not a real return to pressing for Australua selection.
Its a shame as he was a lock 10 year opener .

 

[The hands of stone]

Stokes is so far up his own arse. Surely he could admit that even a declaration 20 overs earlier would have probably reaped them a couple of extra wickets, given how demoralised we were, and then a much better chance to take the last four in 30 overs the next day.

Gun player but has the biggest case of loser limp in world cricket.

Its amazing how he can hardly move in the field but as soon as he goes up the gears when batting he moves and runs really freely once he gets on top

 

[DeathlyAccurate]

Gun player but has the biggest case of loser limp in world cricket.

Its amazing how he can hardly move in the field but as soon as he goes up the gears when batting he moves and runs really freely once he gets on top

Stokes when he’s called on to save the innings.

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[4Seasons]

I assume this is satire

He sure is living rent free in your head.

 

[PhatBoy]

Gun player but has the biggest case of loser limp in world cricket.

Its amazing how he can hardly move in the field but as soon as he goes up the gears when batting he moves and runs really freely once he gets on top

When has he hardly moved in the field? He’s chased countless balls to the boundary throughout the series