List Mgmt. 2019 Draft and Trade Hypotheticals Thread

[Millky95]

They can change their opinions whenever they like but the ****ing bitching and moaning about this Daniher thing is ridiculous when all of us know or should know We very rarely **** things up and the Tippet example is just plain and utter bulls**t.

Tippett at the time was fine. Fantastic even. Even the trigger clause. Unfortunately, a Carlton player fell over his leg at the end of 2013 and he was never quite the same. Daniher is different. He is coming already as possibly damaged goods for a possible large some of money and at a cost of draft picks.

 

[tombomb]

For so long so many on this Board have sung the praises of this club for being very close to ****ing perfect. Now all of a sudden all the sports surgeons on here a screaming from the ****ing roof top how going after Daniher is a disastrous decision. If they are so ****ing perfect and they are indeed going after him then stick by the courage of your convictions and except they are doing it with knowledge that his injury may be behind him and it is a good opportunity to recruit a key forward with a s**tload of talent that can compliment the list going forward. I am not bothered either way but all this s**t about kids, kids, Kids does my ****ing head in.

Depending on the development stage of your list Kids are not always the next step in the puzzle. Yes more Young talent needs to come in to keep it ticking over and also to cover the potential young talent you already have, just in case the potential already seen could just be as good as it gets and that is a very real prospect, but when you have some developed experience potentially walking out the door then some experienced talent potentially has to walk back in. That simple.

It is not right to say the obsession is about getting 'kids' in. Although it may seem that way.

You need a group of good players all coming through together who hit the age range of around 24-28 at the same time. That is how you build a great club that plays off in multiple grand finals over consecutive years. right now, those players are in the 19-23 range.

One way to improve that group is to trade and try and bring those players in, the other way is through the draft.

If you overrate your list and start trading away early picks for older players, it may work, but it is far more likely to land you in no mans land like with Essendon, Port Adelaide, North, St Kilda, Melbourne, even Hawthorn now et al.

I think our list strategy is working, it just needs patience.

If we lose Papley and Jones this year, it sets us back. Both of those guys fit into our next great team, but we arent going to be able to replace them directly via trade so the smart move is to just be patient, go to the draft with 5, 9 (hopefully another early pick for papley) + whatever we get for Jones and keep building through the draft.

Sign up the players we want to keep long term, and in a couple of years we will be in a great position to really attack free agency just like Richmond have done in the last couple of years.

And the best part is, if Buddy is fit and firing next year we can still be a good team.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

That's not right. There are medical records at Essendon. They'll produce them at the right time and everyone will know the full story and everyone will be exonerated.

We are just trying to piece them together. Accidentally got caught in the shredder.

Will be with you soon.

 

[Wolfgang West]

As per SEN Swans talking to Riley Knight and guess who ????? Come on Down Lewis Taylor ! Papley contingency.

 

[Opts]

That's not right. There are medical records at Essendon. They'll produce them at the right time and everyone will know the full story and everyone will be exonerated.

I'm tipping the reports will be smeared in liquid paper.

 

[The King!]

Sydney won’t piss the farm away for an injured player

They know what they are doing

 

[CD__]

Hard pass on Lewy Taylor

 

[tombomb]

Tippett at the time was fine. Fantastic even. Even the trigger clause. Unfortunately, a Carlton player fell over his leg at the end of 2013 and he was never quite the same. Daniher is different. He is coming already as possibly damaged goods for a possible large some of money and at a cost of draft picks.

I recall vividly how everyone was saying how it was an outrage that the Premier could get the best player available in the trade period.

Tippett got injured and people will rewrite history about him, but he was a great get for the club at the time.

He didn't have any of Daniher's injury issues when we got him ... and we didn't have to cough up crazy picks either.

Every other club in the league would have done what we did.

 

[Opts]

Trading in general. The fact there is so much talk around Daniher tells me there is something else in the wings. When have we ever been so sloppy as to leak or hint at a potential trade. Can't see why we would start dropping the ball now.

My opinion is that our ability to keep incoming trades a secret have been completely blown out of proportion. We did a great job of keeping the Franklin trade secret but that was a special situation where the AFL would have blocked it or changed the rules before it happened. The only people who knew about that potential trade were Buddy, Pickering, the coaches, Ireland and the captains.

Other than the Franklin trade, when else have we been more secretive than other clubs? The Franklin trade in the only one.

 

[FreeAgent1]

Hard pass on Lewy Taylor

Completely agreed!!!

 

[tombomb]

My opinion is that our ability to keep incoming trades a secret have been completely blown out of proportion. We did a great job of keeping the Franklin trade secret but that was a special situation where the AFL would have blocked it or changed the rules before it happened. The only people who knew about that potential trade were Buddy, Pickering, the coaches, Ireland and the captains.

Other than the Franklin trade, when else have we been more secretive than other clubs? The Franklin trade in the only one.

I agree mostly. Although I recall the Tippett one coming out of nowhere as well.

I dont agree with the idea pushed by the media that we are always operating in the shadows doing these amazing things though.

 

[Wolfgang West]

Hard pass on Lewy Taylor

Agreed. Poor fella looks better suited to being shot out of a cannon.

 

[Wolfgang West]

I agree mostly. Although I recall the Tippett one coming out of nowhere as well.

I dont agree with the idea pushed by the media that we are always operating in the shadows doing these amazing things though.

Agree its rubbish.

 

[FreeAgent1]

Anyone want a bit of fun read the comments from other posters in the Geelong board for West Coast offering the same deal they offered Crows for Danger.

The irony in their staunch refusals is delicious!

 

[ashep]

Riley Knight yes please.

 

[Opts]

I recall vividly how everyone was saying how it was an outrage that the Premier could get the best player available in the trade period.

Tippett got injured and people will rewrite history about him, but he was a great get for the club at the time.

He didn't have any of Daniher's injury issues when we got him ... and we didn't have to cough up crazy picks either.

Every other club in the league would have done what we did.

No one has an issue with us getting him. The issue is what we paid him (injuries aside he was never worth what we paid him) and leniency of his trigger clause.

 

[dosser]

I'm really disappointed in our recruiting team for doing all of those deals that I am imagining. How dare they?
From now on I am going to be imagining all of the deals the other clubs' recruiters are doing and then be really upset because those imagined deals are so much better than ours.
Why do we keep getting screwed on our imaginary deals?

 

[dosser]

I would love the club to get involved in a deal for Brad Crouch. He meets our need for an inside mid and is potentially looking to exit Adelaide.

Except for the rumour that his manager was shopping him around for $1mill per season. GC said "thanks, but no thanks".

 

[Banyo Bloods]

We need to bring in a couple of established players imo but that is just desperation with due respect.

Fair enough to disagree but hardly desperation.

 

[tombomb]

No one has an issue with us getting him. The issue is what we paid him (injuries aside he was never worth what we paid him) and leniency of his trigger clause.

He kicked 55 goals as a 20 year old. and went 55, 46 , 31 , 39 in the first half of his career.

And its all relative, we had to pay to get him to the club ahead of him going to Queensland. And he cost us nothing via trade.

Same thing with Buddy.

It looked bad at the end, and history shows it was a mistake. But it's like that analogy of the operation being a success but the patient died.

 

[dosser]

No one has an issue with us getting him. The issue is what we paid him (injuries aside he was never worth what we paid him) and leniency of his trigger clause.

More often than not, you have to overpay to get a (perceived) star out of one club and into another.

 

[Wolfgang West]

Fair enough to disagree but hardly desperation.

Only my opinion and that is why I said due respect but I Think It is when you are targeting a NEAFL Player. Sorry If it sounded dismissive of your opinion.

 

[chels]

Except for the rumour that his manager was shopping him around for $1mill per season. GC said "thanks, but no thanks".

Having listened to Fyfe at this year's Brownlow, players play for a premiership. Is he more likely to get one at GCS or Sydney. Sure the agent is trying to maximise a deal for his client. But it's the player's decision. Show him Sydney, La Perouse, the Lakes; heaven

 

[Ticky009]

ESPN phantom draft...and we get a defender

AFL Phantom Draft: Who goes where in the first round?

Ahead of the start of the free agency and trade period, Chris Doerre has unveiled his first phantom draft of 2019, looking at the first round only.

www.espn.com.au

 

[DST]

If your an employer and your aware of an employee's partner living interstate, would you keep that in mind when negotiating a contract? I reckon the club was well aware this day may come eventually and Tom wouldn't have had to even mention it.

I look at it this way.

Tom has no real desire to play elsewhere and accepting the trigger clause was a clever way of side stepping having to tell the Mrs’s he doesn’t want to move back to Melbourne.

The deal is at best 25% of getting done this year, unless Carlton go all psycho and offer pick 9 and the kitchen sink......


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