News 2019 Rumour File - discuss rumours here! (Part 2)

[Golumless]

$11.5m doesn't go very far these days.

It goes far enough to retain a solid squad of youngsters, with some splattering of old average players. Even if you have "retention issues".

If Gold Coast are operating at 98-99% cap spend right now, their entire off-field staff should be sacked for gross negligence.

 

[Thetrader15]

When you're in Gold Coast's position, who cares? You make a stand, force him to sign (which you have to when nominating for a draft) and try again next year.

Or if he says he qants a 5 year deal on x, then if he goes to the PSD with this on his gead, he can commit or find a new job.

Either way, he won't be playing with Eddie next year

 

[Thetrader15]

It goes far enough to retain a solid squad of youngsters, with some splattering of old average players. Even if you have "retention issues".

If Gold Coast are operating at 98-99% cap spend right now, their entire off-field staff should be sacked for gross negligence.

You can't sack the entire afl

 

[TheVelourFog]

I feel like if Martin does end up getting to Carlton the whole pre season draft should be scrapped. I don't even understand why the AFL has it besides as a way for one club to screw another over.

If they want to take him then he has to nominate for the national draft and that's it but then run the risk of going anywhere unless Carlton took him with pick 9 which would be hilarious.

The idea that a player can put a huge price on his head for a 1 year deal just doesn't sit right with me and makes the whole drafting/trading process a bit of a joke.

 

[GROTTO]

The idea that a player can put a huge price on his head for a 1 year deal just doesn't sit right with me and makes the whole drafting/trading process a bit of a joke.

You should show the AFL some respect here, they will get to changing the process.

As soon as the Crows are bona fide bottom 4 team and can cash in on this, this is probably when they will scrap the preseason draft.

Can you imagine a gun Victorian player being able to walk to the Crows, over Teddy Whitten dead body they will.

 

[ad victoriam]

$11.5m doesn't go very far these days.

Salary Cap for 2020 is $13,013,257 with ASA agreements being $1,159,763 Effectively making it $14,173,020 total spend on players.

 

[Vader]

I feel like if Martin does end up getting to Carlton the whole pre season draft should be scrapped. I don't even understand why the AFL has it besides as a way for one club to screw another over.

If they want to take him then he has to nominate for the national draft and that's it but then run the risk of going anywhere unless Carlton took him with pick 9 which would be hilarious.

The idea that a player can put a huge price on his head for a 1 year deal just doesn't sit right with me and makes the whole drafting/trading process a bit of a joke.

No, he doesn't. Players who have previously been on an AFL list can nominate for the PSD only, without nominating for the ND as well.

He can put a huge price on his head - but that goes both ways. The club is contractually bound to accept the terms which he sets, but he is also contractually bound to the club which selects him in the draft.

 

[Crow till I die]

You should show the AFL some respec, her,e they will get to changing the process.

As soon as the Crows are bona fide bottom 4 team and can cash in on this, this is probably when they will scrap the preseason draft.

Can you imagine JACK LUKOSIUS being able to walk to the Crows, over Teddy Whitten dead body they will.

FTFY

 

[WetCrow1991]

I just got the inside word from a dump I just did in the toilet that has strong connections to Carlton FC and they aren't getting Martin.

 

[GROTTO]

FTFY

If ever there was a year for a rebuild and to come last it is 2020.

Get Pick 1 (2nd rounder being ~Pick 19) and Luko and get to keep all our other picks. Not to mention if we lose players, we get AFL compensation, which if they consider them worthy of a 1st rounder, they end up being pick 2.

Glory be. That would be our quickest way to a flag.

 

[MRB37]

I feel like if Martin does end up getting to Carlton the whole pre season draft should be scrapped. I don't even understand why the AFL has it besides as a way for one club to screw another over.

If they want to take him then he has to nominate for the national draft and that's it but then run the risk of going anywhere unless Carlton took him with pick 9 which would be hilarious.

The idea that a player can put a huge price on his head for a 1 year deal just doesn't sit right with me and makes the whole drafting/trading process a bit of a joke.

And that's why we had little leverage with Greenwood. From their POV they're doing us a favour giving us anything for him given he could have just gone to the PSD and they'd grab him with pick 1.

 

[Crowmurder]

If Martin is on 600k ++ then it would only be about finding an extra couple of hundred K, which for a club that should at least have the flexibility of being able to go into the 103-104% cap spend, it should be doable.

You'd find that by overpaying the youth, their undercutting the average senior players in preparation to move them on. After all, you don't try to retain average.

Any talk of Gold Coast and being close to the cap spend is fanciful at best, even with them paying kids bigger money to retain them. You've got to get to 95% somehow.

They are definitely at the cap and have issues it’s not even a secret. Been mentioned many times this year. Have overpaid a tonne of no names

 

[dogs105]

No, he doesn't. Players who have previously been on an AFL list can nominate for the PSD only, without nominating for the ND as well.

He can put a huge price on his head - but that goes both ways. The club is contractually bound to accept the terms which he sets, but he is also contractually bound to the club which selects him in the draft.

That was GROTTO's suggestion, and it would make forba fairer system

 

[TheVelourFog]

No, he doesn't. Players who have previously been on an AFL list can nominate for the PSD only, without nominating for the ND as well.

He can put a huge price on his head - but that goes both ways. The club is contractually bound to accept the terms which he sets, but he is also contractually bound to the club which selects him in the draft.

Sorry I should have said in my opinion he should only be able to go through the draft because in my ideal world there is no pre season draft.

 

[Scorpus]

I feel like if Martin does end up getting to Carlton the whole pre season draft should be scrapped. I don't even understand why the AFL has it besides as a way for one club to screw another over.

If they want to take him then he has to nominate for the national draft and that's it but then run the risk of going anywhere unless Carlton took him with pick 9 which would be hilarious.

The idea that a player can put a huge price on his head for a 1 year deal just doesn't sit right with me and makes the whole drafting/trading process a bit of a joke.

The AFL has it because they're terrified of being sued over restraint of trade

 

[King Elvis]

No, he doesn't. Players who have previously been on an AFL list can nominate for the PSD only, without nominating for the ND as well.

He can put a huge price on his head - but that goes both ways. The club is contractually bound to accept the terms which he sets, but he is also contractually bound to the club which selects him in the draft.

Think you’ve read that wrong. He’s suggesting scrap the PSD and make him go in the draft.

I agree - PSD should be for delisted or undrafted players only.

 

[GreyCrow]

No, he doesn't. Players who have previously been on an AFL list can nominate for the PSD only, without nominating for the ND as well.

He can put a huge price on his head - but that goes both ways. The club is contractually bound to accept the terms which he sets, but he is also contractually bound to the club which selects him in the draft.

I understand the argument but does the club have to pay it up front in the 1st year or do they renegotiate to spread it out

I seem to recall another club and player doing similar

 

[Vader]

I understand the argument but does the club have to pay it up front in the 1st year or do they renegotiate to spread it out

I seem to recall another flub and player doing similar

It can't be spread out, to prevent this very kind of circumstance.

 

[Thetrader15]

Any rumours about pick swaps you have heard???

 

[SaltPeter]

It can't be spread out, to prevent this very kind of circumstance.

The AFL looks at the length of the contract and the total financial reward. For example:

Club A: offers a 4 year contract of $1M. $700K in year 1, and $100K in each of years 2,3 and 4​

Club B: matches a 4 year contract of $1M, however chooses to offer payments of $250 in each of the 4 years.​

​

Same financial outcome. Same duration of contract length. AFL gives the contract a tick

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From the AFL


In relation to your question below please refer to player rule 17.5 (m)

m) Where any Club enters into a Contract of Service with a Restricted Free Agent under Rule 17.5(g) or (i) (and for the avoidance of doubt, not in the case of a Contract of Service entered into under Rule 17.5(j) the Club may elect to allocate payments under the Contract of Service (including incentives) and any Additional Services agreement to the relevant Player evenly over the period of the contract(s) for Total Player Payment purposes, subject to the approval of the General Counsel. The Club must make any election to allocate payments under this Rule within 7 days of entry into the Contract of Service and immediately notify the AFL of the election. Any election by the Club to allocate payments under this Rule does not impact the time for actual payments to the Player, which must be in accordance with the contract(s).

For example if the player is offered 4m over 4 years in the structure of 800k, 1.2m, 800k, 1.2m the matching club could allocate evenly over the 4 years at 1m per season.

Hope that helps clarify.

Cheers,

Simon

Simon Murphy​ TPP Additional Services and Statistics Advisor​ AFL HOUSE | 140 Harbour Esplanade | Docklands VIC 3008​ GPO Box 1449 | Melbourne VIC 3001​ Ph: (03) 9643 1793​ ,​ M: 0438 725 213​

 

[CrowMan90]

Any rumours about pick swaps you have heard???

I’ve heard exactly what you’ve heard.
Just don’t ask me.

 

[MarcusP2]

Luke Ball signed a dirt cheap extension with Collingwood immediately after being drafted I think.

I understand the argument but does the club have to pay it up front in the 1st year or do they renegotiate to spread it out

I seem to recall another club and player doing similar

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[SaltPeter]

Luke Ball signed a dirt cheap extension with Collingwood immediately after being drafted I think.

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Ball went to the ND. The AFL have closed the loophole they used for that trade now. TBH I cannot remember the details though now

 

[Vader]

The AFL looks at the length of the contract and the total financial reward. For example:

Club A: offers a 4 year contract of $1M. $700K in year 1, and $100K in each of years 2,3 and 4​

Club B: matches a 4 year contract of $1M, however chooses to offer payments of $250 in each of the 4 years.​

​

Same financial outcome. Same duration of contract length. AFL gives the contract a tick

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From the AFL


In relation to your question below please refer to player rule 17.5 (m)

m) Where any Club enters into a Contract of Service with a Restricted Free Agent under Rule 17.5(g) or (i) (and for the avoidance of doubt, not in the case of a Contract of Service entered into under Rule 17.5(j) the Club may elect to allocate payments under the Contract of Service (including incentives) and any Additional Services agreement to the relevant Player evenly over the period of the contract(s) for Total Player Payment purposes, subject to the approval of the General Counsel. The Club must make any election to allocate payments under this Rule within 7 days of entry into the Contract of Service and immediately notify the AFL of the election. Any election by the Club to allocate payments under this Rule does not impact the time for actual payments to the Player, which must be in accordance with the contract(s).

For example if the player is offered 4m over 4 years in the structure of 800k, 1.2m, 800k, 1.2m the matching club could allocate evenly over the 4 years at 1m per season.

Hope that helps clarify.

Cheers,

Simon

​ Simon Murphy​ TPP Additional Services and Statistics Advisor​ AFL HOUSE | 140 Harbour Esplanade | Docklands VIC 3008​ GPO Box 1449 | Melbourne VIC 3001​ ​ Ph: (03) 9643 1793​ ,​ M: 0438 725 213​

You're talking about Free Agency, not players putting a price on their heads when nominating for the draft.

 

[SaltPeter]

You're talking about Free Agency, not players putting a price on their heads when nominating for the draft.

TBH, I thought the AFL viewed it the same way. I don't know 1 way or the other though