Welcome Welcome to Adelaide: Sid Draper - Pick 4, 2024

[Trigger13]

There's hopefully a balance between that pissweak mindset and 18 year old D Mac tearing his hamstring off the bone in his first preseason

I'm hoping we're aiming for that middle ground sweetspot!

So a grade 2 tear then?

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Why aren't they letting Draper do anything in match sims? Is this normal? Dude looks ready...

Few reasons

Firstly it’s normal for new draftees to do a % of pre season training , especially pre Xmas . This happens at all clubs

Secondly he’s coming off stress fractures in his shin last season then symptomatic pars defect ( stress fracture in his spine related to growth ) later in season

Thirdly he’s going to be around for 14 years no point blowing him up in the first 6 weeks

 

[cmndstab]

Why aren't they letting Draper do anything in match sims? Is this normal? Dude looks ready...

Very normal. Often new draftees spend practically their entire first preseason just working on fitness, strength and skills.

They're easing him in slowly.

 

[Mostyn]

It's probably why Reid has overseen the most unsuccessful period the club has ever had. Loser talk.

That's really naive.

He's just laid out some really obvious facts. It's the reality we have to deal with.

 

[Chances Are]

I think we are on the same page. I called Kenny “handy” and you “good and solid”.

I can’t see anyone bagging him, certainly never seen anyone calling him a POS. Perhaps you mean previously? It would be extremely disrespectful to him I agree anyone categorising him like that,

Main point is we all would have swapped Kenny for Pav in a heartbeat beat but that’s due to Pavs elite status. Nothing to do with feeling like Kenny was a dud.

I can remember sitting at AAMI listening to morons around me bagging the crap outta Kenny for every little mistake he made. These idiots just couldn't see the value of him. The cries of "Kill Kenny" and "Get'm orf" used to get my BP spiking. I was sad when he retired. I don't know about on this board in those days. I wonder what he's doing now.

 

[Cromulant]

I can remember sitting at AAMI listening to morons around me bagging the crap outta Kenny for every little mistake he made. These idiots just couldn't see the value of him. The cries of "Kill Kenny" and "Get'm orf" used to get my BP spiking. I was sad when he retired. I don't know about on this board in those days. I wonder what he's doing now.

Communications Manager for an energy company

 

[Carn The Texan]

Communications Manager for an energy company

I think he was a journo in the NT for a bit too?

 

[Cromulant]

I think he was a journo in the NT for a bit too?

I believe so yeah, Newscorp in general I think.

 

[mcleod at 50 lines it up]

It's probably why Reid has overseen the most unsuccessful period the club has ever had. Loser talk.

Crows really should be a top 5 destination club maybe higher, pay market wages and suddenly the players stopped leaving and we attracted new ones despite a prolonged period of under performance

 

[mcleod at 50 lines it up]

Kenny McGregor gets a bum rap from fans. He played well over 100 games for us and was a good, solid player. Jonathon Brown from the Lions rated him as the hardest opponent he ever played on. Sure Pav was a total star of the comp. but hell Kenny was no POS at the same time.

Brown beat him too, rutten not so much. It's funny how players like players they beat judd says shirley was his best tagger but when it came to the crunch judd beat him too. But having said that Kenny was probably our best mark upforward in that period i reckon

 

[MarcusP2]

Crows really should be a top 5 destination club maybe higher, pay market wages and suddenly the players stopped leaving and we attracted new ones despite a prolonged period of under performance

Based on what? Pies, West Coast, Geelong, Sydney and Hawks at the very least can offer more than us.

 

[1990crow]

Based on what? Pies, West Coast, Geelong, Sydney and Hawks at the very least can offer more than us.

Until the AFL truly cracks down on out of cap payments via third party it's a tough market for us.
Returning SA players should be our bread and butter though.

Feels like that wheel is turning, but need to really continue it now with players like Wanganeen-Milera, Phillipou, Sharp (inevitably leaves SA), Dodson, Goad etc.

Hell when Will Day comes OOC next we need to be all over him.

 

[mcleod at 50 lines it up]

Based on what? Pies, West Coast, Geelong, Sydney and Hawks at the very least can offer more than us.

On being a big club. Who were they traditionally? the pies, richmond, carlton, maybe essendon, west coast and the crows? But run your club badly enough or well enough for long enough and it can change desirability

Those other clubs apart from Sydney with extra salary cap made themselves desirable through being well run, but of course justin or prior to that john are not going to mention that, they point to the city being the problem. Geelong probably the best example of a well run club but not a big one.

 

[cmndstab]

On being a big club. Who were they traditionally? the pies, richmond, carlton, maybe essendon, west coast and the crows? But run your club badly enough or well enough for long enough and it can change desirability

Those other clubs apart from Sydney with extra salary cap made themselves desirable through being well run, but of course justin or prior to that john are not going to mention that, they point to the city being the problem. Geelong probably the best example of a well run club but not a big one.

We were only one of the "big" clubs in the sense that we're one of only two clubs in South Australia, so we don't have to share our potential fanbase with many other clubs. That made our membership and revenue numbers look good, but we were never one of the political powerhouses of the competition, or seen as an attractive destination in general.

I think Adelaide is a fantastic place to live, but then I'm not a 20 year old footballer looking to have some fun, or a 30 year old footballer looking to set up opportunities for life after football.

We need to recognise that we are playing with a handicap, and play the game accordingly. And we also need to push our few advantages hard - every good SA-born player in the country should be getting regular contact from us letting them know that we're here and ready to give them a spot.

 

[Chances Are]

Brown beat him too, rutten not so much. It's funny how players like players they beat judd says shirley was his best tagger but when it came to the crunch judd beat him too. But having said that Kenny was probably our best mark upforward in that period i reckon

Point is it took a stud in Brown to beat him. Same as Judd and Shirley. 2 very solid players for the Crows.

 

[mcleod at 50 lines it up]

We were only one of the "big" clubs in the sense that we're one of only two clubs in South Australia, so we don't have to share our potential fanbase with many other clubs. That made our membership and revenue numbers look good, but we were never one of the political powerhouses of the competition, or seen as an attractive destination in general.

I think Adelaide is a fantastic place to live, but then I'm not a 20 year old footballer looking to have some fun, or a 30 year old footballer looking to set up opportunities for life after football.

We need to recognise that we are playing with a handicap, and play the game accordingly. And we also need to push our few advantages hard - every good SA-born player in the country should be getting regular contact from us letting them know that we're here and ready to give them a spot.

Yes that what makes us a big club, having 85% of support in the state, what advantages that entails compared to a big Victorian club I'll leave to you to decide, but justin reid bemoaning our situation when you have much smaller clubs having no problems attracting players including port... glengowan is right in calling it a defeatist attitude. And I agree you'd start with the SA guys as the defacto state team and it's questionable whether we've done this properly in the past.

 

[mcleod at 50 lines it up]

Point is it took a stud in Brown to beat him. Same as Judd and Shirley. 2 very solid players for the Crows.

okay agree, i was a little off topic with that post

 

[Cromulant]

Yes that what makes us a big club, having 85% of support in the state, what advantages that entails compared to a big Victorian club I'll leave to you to decide, but justin reid bemoaning our situation when you have much smaller clubs having no problems attracting players including port... glengowan is right in calling it a defeatist attitude. And I agree you'd start with the SA guys as the defacto state team and it's questionable whether we've done this properly in the past.

85% of the state ?? Cmon man I hate Port as much as the next guy but that's simply not true.

 

[mcleod at 50 lines it up]

85% of the state ?? Cmon man I hate Port as much as the next guy but that's simply not true

maybe slightly tongue in cheek, offically it's 60/40 with auskick isn't it? But I've always thought most the latent support in the state is untapped crows supporters, port one of the most subsidised teams in the league.

 

[cmndstab]

Yes that what makes us a big club, having 85% of support in the state, what advantages that entails compared to a big Victorian club I'll leave to you to decide, but justin reid bemoaning our situation when you have much smaller clubs having no problems attracting players including port... glengowan is right in calling it a defeatist attitude. And I agree you'd start with the SA guys as the defacto state team and it's questionable whether we've done this properly in the past.

As you've said in later posts, 85% is a pretty big stretch. But in any event, even a 60/40 split should ensure that we are never wanting for cash, and that has by and large been true. That doesn't necessarily translate to making it easy to bring talent here, though. Once we finally get our new HQ built, that might help matters.

Port have shown they're willing to pay premiums to attract players here. Whether that ultimately proves to be a winning strategy remains to be seen, but they've certainly outperformed us.

I think the key is that we don't always need to draft the best SA players. We just need to get better at bringing them back home. There needs to be almost a culture set up where good players from SA are expected to return home. I want Victorian clubs to get nervous using high draft picks on SA talent, the way that we are when using high draft picks on Victorian talent.

From there, we can focus on selecting the best available, and creating a winning culture that players will want to be a part of.

 

[GreyCrow]

We were only one of the "big" clubs in the sense that we're one of only two clubs in South Australia, so we don't have to share our potential fanbase with many other clubs. That made our membership and revenue numbers look good, but we were never one of the political powerhouses of the competition, or seen as an attractive destination in general.

I think Adelaide is a fantastic place to live, but then I'm not a 20 year old footballer looking to have some fun, or a 30 year old footballer looking to set up opportunities for life after football.

We need to recognise that we are playing with a handicap, and play the game accordingly. And we also need to push our few advantages hard - every good SA-born player in the country should be getting regular contact from us letting them know that we're here and ready to give them a spot.

I think these are all valid concerns and I think its going to take a momentum shift in thinking - and a momentous one as well

I can see a time when our squad could be split between here and Melbourne. We have our List Manager and Recruiting Manager based there - why not players. Its a 45 minute flight and a 3 hour window of travel.

Build those 'out of club' extras in the place they can be maximised.

Its going to take some clever management of squads and how it all works - but I think its time now for a clever head or 2 to start coming up with ways to make it work

And to be fair I can see it falling apart as well

 

[adelaidecrows]

I think these are all valid concerns and I think its going to take a momentum shift in thinking - and a momentous one as well

I can see a time when our squad could be split between here and Melbourne. We have our List Manager and Recruiting Manager based there - why not players. Its a 45 minute flight and a 3 hour window of travel.

Build those 'out of club' extras in the place they can be maximised.

Its going to take some clever management of squads and how it all works - but I think its time now for a clever head or 2 to start coming up with ways to make it work

And to be fair I can see it falling apart as well

I get where you are going with thinking outside the box. But there is no chance. Curtin is from WA, he training in Perth by himself and a trainer, watching game plan videos on Youtube?

But this is where it would fall down.
1. Team work
2. Team dynamics
3. game plan
4. player relationships
5. development

It also treats adults like they are babies. They dont want to move, dont enter the draft.

 

[GreyCrow]

I get where you are going with thinking outside the box. But there is no chance. Curtin is from WA, he training in Perth by himself and a trainer, watching game plan videos on Youtube?

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Not really - Curtin would be in the Adelaide group

Its mostly aimed at those we are trying to recruit here to be able to stay ( mostly) in Melbourne - maintaining relationships , schooling but mostly opportunity to earn coin

Trying to shift - lets say Bont - out of Melbourne might help if he knows his earners are still in place

But this is where it would fall down.
1. Team work
2. Team dynamics
3. game plan
4. player relationships
5. development

Valid concerns and one where the dynamic shifts when required. Pre-season you are in Adelaide or Melbourne as opportunity demands and you build your learnings that way

Come the season proper you do a Peter Hudson and get choppered in on a Thursday for training and game play OR you are met at a Melbourne training ground by the squad for a weekend game in Melbourne

The big one you point out is team dynamics but thats a teething problem which will shift once players get used to the idea of it

It also treats adults like they are babies. They dont want to move, dont enter the draft.

Or we could treat them like adults

 

[adelaidecrows]

We were only one of the "big" clubs in the sense that we're one of only two clubs in South Australia, so we don't have to share our potential fanbase with many other clubs. That made our membership and revenue numbers look good, but we were never one of the political powerhouses of the competition, or seen as an attractive destination in general.

I think Adelaide is a fantastic place to live, but then I'm not a 20 year old footballer looking to have some fun, or a 30 year old footballer looking to set up opportunities for life after football.

We need to recognise that we are playing with a handicap, and play the game accordingly. And we also need to push our few advantages hard - every good SA-born player in the country should be getting regular contact from us letting them know that we're here and ready to give them a spot.

But we are not ready to give them a spot. Always pick the best available.

We seem to be making excuses out of the belief players will leave us. When in fact we have stalled the player walk out and its mostly been attributed to the Trigg years where the club felt corporate.

Also, what fun stuff will players do in victoria they cant do in SA? Cinemas, shopping malls and international travel are a thing in Adelaide too. Pubs exist for letting off steam and have a massive cafe culture for the drafted hipster. There are just as many if not more festivals held here in Adelaide than any other state. So please, there is heaps to do. Where the difference is is the guys who have vic girlfriends who all seem to be chasing instagram and media fame coincidently who complain of a lack of career opportunities. What we dont hear is those who settle in SA really well because they chase normal careers, but they dont make the headlines.

 

[adelaidecrows]

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Not really - Curtin would be in the Adelaide group

Its mostly aimed at those we are trying to recruit here to be able to stay ( mostly) in Melbourne - maintaining relationships , schooling but mostly opportunity to earn coin

Trying to shift - lets say Bont - out of Melbourne might help if he knows his earners are still in place




Valid concerns and one where the dynamic shifts when required. Pre-season you are in Adelaide or Melbourne as opportunity demands and you build your learnings that way

Come the season proper you do a Peter Hudson and get choppered in on a Thursday for training and game play OR you are met at a Melbourne training ground by the squad for a weekend game in Melbourne

The big one you point out is team dynamics but thats a teething problem which will shift once players get used to the idea of it

Or we could treat them like adults

1. No you cant have melbourne rules and screw everyone else. So Curtin is gone on the first plane.

2. The biggest complaint is constant travel and 5-6 day breaks. So what Melbourne players not only have to make the trip to Adelaide every week, they then may have to fly back to Victoria after the game and return Wednesday for a training then a Thursday night game. Oh, but then they can stay, right? but then that defeats the purpose, they are living out of a suitcase and missing the dynamic melbourne lifestyle we want them to have. What about when we fly to Brisbane or Perth, we leave the day before the game. So are Melbourne Players coming to Adelaide for a team training an extra night before, or are moving the entire squad, support staff and equipment to Melbourne for a training, the adelaide players have to spend the extra night in a hotel we have more in logistic costs to work out and then transport the whole team to the game.

3. So we have a VFL team and a Sanfl reserves team I guess. Our Vic reserves side has a player who si smashing it with 35 disposals a game on average the last month but is playing injury ravaged sides while the Sanfl side is getting smashed because most of the team is made up of average div 1 players because most of our recruits are based in Victoria. Because thats the happening place.

4. No its treating them like babies.

Basically this wont work. There is no mechanism this would work unless the league went back in time by 50 years and professionalism is non existent.