Welcome Welcome to Adelaide: Sid Draper - Pick 4, 2024

[GreyCrow]

1. No you cant have melbourne rules and screw everyone else. So Curtin is gone on the first plane.

2. The biggest complaint is constant travel and 5-6 day breaks. So what Melbourne players not only have to make the trip to Adelaide every week, they then may have to fly back to Victoria after the game and return Wednesday for a training then a Thursday night game. Oh, but then they can stay, right? but then that defeats the purpose, they are living out of a suitcase and missing the dynamic melbourne lifestyle we want them to have. What about when we fly to Brisbane or Perth, we leave the day before the game. So are Melbourne Players coming to Adelaide for a team training an extra night before, or are moving the entire squad, support staff and equipment to Melbourne for a training, the adelaide players have to spend the extra night in a hotel we have more in logistic costs to work out and then transport the whole team to the game.

3. So we have a VFL team and a Sanfl reserves team I guess. Our Vic reserves side has a player who si smashing it with 35 disposals a game on average the last month but is playing injury ravaged sides while the Sanfl side is getting smashed because most of the team is made up of average div 1 players because most of our recruits are based in Victoria. Because thats the happening place.

4. No its treating them like babies.

Basically this wont work. There is no mechanism this would work unless the league went back in time by 50 years and professionalism is non existent.

As I said its going to take a momentous change in thinking

 

[adelaidecrows]

As I said its going to take a momentous change in thinking

But you havent answered why? What problem will it solve? If anything it will frustrate everyone, drive players to change clubs from both SA and Vic. As I said, its important to have out of the box thinking to find ways to lure interstate talent. But this one is not the answer.

The actual answer is staring the AFL in the face but they are too VFL to change it. If they reduced the clubs in Vic there would be less players being able to run home to mummy because there would be less opportunities. Which I presume is the whole concept. Luring talent away from Vic is going to be hard regardless because all the instagram and media wannabe gf wont want to come.

 

[119others]

I think these are all valid concerns and I think its going to take a momentum shift in thinking - and a momentous one as well

I can see a time when our squad could be split between here and Melbourne. We have our List Manager and Recruiting Manager based there - why not players. Its a 45 minute flight and a 3 hour window of travel.

Build those 'out of club' extras in the place they can be maximised.

Its going to take some clever management of squads and how it all works - but I think its time now for a clever head or 2 to start coming up with ways to make it work

And to be fair I can see it falling apart as well

Full marks for out of the box thinking but less than 0% chance this ever happens. Deep down surely you know that.

What happens when we get 2 players from NSW (Cumming, Peatling) - do we then replicate the model there? Or one homesick elite lad from WA (Curtin) wanting to remain in Perth before committing to re-signing. Players from interstate seeing the few MLB metro lads and demanding we replicate the model for them in GC, or Tassie or wherever before they agree to be traded to us.

It’s all about being a club and that is based on a hub of all players, staff etc interacting (becoming buddies and feeling like they belong to a club/team), learning, developing together, everything from exercise management, injury management, coaching effectiveness, training as part of a team rather than FIFO player on game day.

Sorry mate would never work. Best we keep improving culture as per Nicks biggest achievement and get long term buy-in by quality interstate lads (Rachele, Soli, Worrell for starters currently on LT contracts)

Ps anyone living in Eastern suburbs of Melbourne leaving home at say 7am or 4pm for a flight to ADL, it’s more like a 5 hour - or half a day - commute end to end

 

[Gtowncrow]

Some interesting stuff in there I didn't know. I was only 5 in our first flag.

Imagine a side with Buckley and Ricciuto in it, or Wanganeen and McLeod, or Modra and Carey?!

We at least managed a team with Bickley and Ricciuto. Pretty close hey?

 

[GROTTO]

As I said its going to take a momentous change in thinking

While it may not happen in our life time, dont rule out how things may change in a few decades, in relation to travel time and the advancement of technology helping to facilitate this.

 

[GROTTO]

Ps anyone living in Eastern suburbs of Melbourne leaving home at say 7am or 4pm for a flight to ADL, it’s more like a 5 hour - or half a day - commute end to end

Bontempelli's great great grand son traveling from Melbourne to Crows training at Adelaide Oval.

 

[spenze]

1970 date of birth

So we could have had him in our initial squad

I remember Cornesy talking about how the priority was to be competitive and successful straight away. Which is why we picked quite a few SANFL stalwarts (Bruce Lindsay, Tom Warhurst, David Marshall, Darrel Hart) rather than stockpile younger SA talent

Yeah it was like we rewarded those who had stayed in the state than venture to the VFL and played SOO. I still think the initial squad was based on us putting out our closest SOO which we believed would beat anybody.

To be fair though, it was good enough to have got to what should have been a GF in the third year but even at that stage those 4 names were already done

 

[spenze]

Every club in the AFL could have picked Pavlich, and none did.

Maybe he just hadn't quite proven enough at 17 against his peers but by 18 he had? That still happens.

He had OP as a 17 year old back when it wasn't as understood as it is now, that is why he wasn't picked. This isn't aimed at you but I hate this narrative that we overlooked Pavlich by not rating his football, the kid struggled badly that year due to his condition and every team went and passed on him, people believed he was another possible star who wasn't taking the next step because his body wouldn't let him.

Embarrassingly for all, he then stepped up the next year and won the Eagles goal-kicking trophy as an 18 year old. If people want to laugh, then laugh at Richmond who picked Aaron Fiora the pick before Pav in the draft

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

He had OP as a 17 year old back when it wasn't as understood as it is now, that is why he wasn't picked. This isn't aimed at you but I hate this narrative that we overlooked Pavlich by not rating his football, the kid struggled badly that year due to his condition and every team went and passed on him, people believed he was another possible star who wasn't taking the next step because his body wouldn't let him.

Embarrassingly for all, he then stepped up the next year and won the Eagles goal-kicking trophy as an 18 year old. If people want to laugh, then laugh at Richmond who picked Aaron Fiora the pick before Pav in the draft

I miss that Richmond

The Fiora-Oakley-Tambling-Nicholls guys

 

[Scorpus]

Bontempelli's great great grand son traveling from Melbourne to Crows training at Adelaide Oval.

South Australia should invest in a super high speed rail connection to Melbourne

2 hour journey at 400 km/h

Would be great for player retention

 

[GROTTO]

South Australia should invest in a super high speed rail connection to Melbourne

2 hour journey at 400 km/h

Would be great for player retention

Correct, its exactly what I was referring to in the previous post about advancements in technology.

In Japan they have Bullet trains that can travel 500km/hr, ie the Shrinkansen

 

[GROTTO]

I miss that Richmond

The Fiora-Oakley-Tambling-Nicholls guys

Modra was kicking lazy 13 goal bags against them.

 

[spenze]

I miss that Richmond

The Fiora-Oakley-Tambling-Nicholls guys

I think they used to queue the Benny Hill music for their picks back then

 

[spenze]

Correct, its exactly what I was referring to in the previous post about advancements in technology.

In Japan they have Bullet trains that can travel 500km/hr, ie the Shrinkansen

On one hand, yes, a brilliant idea but just remember this is the state that has brought you the 20 odd year South Road extension that is still ongoing with the three redos on the tram over pass.

I'm not banking on us completing a high speed train line at any stage, hell I'd take good money we couldn't even complete a mono-rail in the CBD.

 

[cleanhands]

On one hand, yes, a brilliant idea but just remember this is the state that has brought you the 20 odd year South Road extension that is still ongoing with the three redos on the tram over pass.

I'm not banking on us completing a high speed train line at any stage, hell I'd take good money we couldn't even complete a mono-rail in the CBD.

Future football

 

[Eric The Red]

This Draper has very wide shoulders .....he's going to be a beast when he fills out ....ala Thommo

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I hope not. Thommo moved with the speed and agility of a tractor. Draper is a sports car.

 

[Apsaalooke]

While it may not happen in our life time, dont rule out how things may change in a few decades, in relation to travel time and the advancement of technology helping to facilitate this

We'll find a way of stuffing that up

 

[dogs105]

We had a list of 52 for 1991. Chose 42 apparently to make a strong squad (Mark Bickley was 42nd player decided upon). Made up the list famously with 10 juniors:

Ben Hart
Shaun Rehn
Brenton Sanderson
Adam Saliba
Peter Turner
Randall Bone
Damien McCarthy
Jonathon Ross
Damien Mellow
Jarrod Hocking

 

[Cromulant]

Saliba..... what a waste

 

[spenze]

Saliba..... what a waste

Jonathon Ross could have been anything

But he was stuck on angry young man unfortunately

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Jonathon Ross could have been anything

But he was stuck on angry young man unfortunately

Yes, both of these are great examples that you can have all the talent in the world, but it is a waste if your head isn't switched on.

Fortunately, Draper looks a very motivated person.

 

[spenze]

Yes, both of these are great examples that you can have all the talent in the world, but it is a waste if your head isn't switched on.

Fortunately, Draper looks a very motivated person.

Yeah you'd think these days there would be some questions to weed out the Jonathon Ross' of the football world.

Do you like getting on the piss and picking fights (yes/no)

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Yeah you'd think these days there would be some questions to weed out the Jonathon Ross' of the football world.

Do you like getting on the piss and picking fights (yes/no)

Yeah, the interviews are much more stringent these days.

Jonathon Ross probably helped that his Dad Lester played decent footy for Norwood.

 

[spenze]

Yeah, the interviews are much more stringent these days.

Jonathon Ross probably helped that his Dad Lester played decent footy for Norwood.

True but Ross was a very talented kid, if I remember rightly he did his knee but he was a big, strong, agile kid with a decent kick. Plus he loved his piss and get into scraps, he was Russell Crowe before Russell Crowe was Russ

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

True but Ross was a very talented kid, if I remember rightly he did his knee but he was a big, strong, agile kid with a decent kick. Plus he loved his piss and get into scraps, he was Russell Crowe before Russell Crowe was Russ

Correct on all fronts.