Resource 2020 Draft Watch (picks 1, 9, 20, 30, 45, 50, 60, 74) - updated R17 15/9/20

[Deaneus!]

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[Mutineer]

Premiership formula:

Multiple high skill midfielders. Skill relatively more important than pace and size

At least one elite marking forward. As long as they can make a contest, athleticism and skill (Jack Riewoldt, Roughead) is more important than size (Levi Casboult and Tom Hawkins)

At least one very good rebounding defender (Birchall, Johannisen, Houli).

At least one elite small forward. Draft them last. Ideally has surname Rioli.

Other roles:
- a great key defender is not mandatory, you can get by with pretty good eg Lake and Frawley
- a big (190cm) contest winning midfielder eg Cripps, Wines is definitely not mandatory. If you must have one they better be high skill eg Bontempelli.

I would be spending every early pick on players who have a chance to be elite skilful midfielders or elite athletic key forwards.

Once that is in place then you can tailor pick for needs around your current group. Eg Richmond continue to draft pace and pressure to guarantee they can always win the pressure game. Eg West Coast want to kick-mark so they keep their stocks of talls populated.

"At least one very good rebounding defender (Birchall, Johannisen, Houli)." Brodie Smith in a good team like they're playing in is at the very least their equal.

 

[kulak]

"At least one very good rebounding defender (Birchall, Johannisen, Houli)." Brodie Smith in a good team like they're playing in is at the very least their equal.

I didn’t say he wasn’t? Big loss for 2017 GF day. He might even still be around for our next run given players in that role often seem to go until their 30s.

Hence we should be using early picks on skilful mids + skilful athletic tall forwards. (Not running half backs)

 

[Mutineer]

I didn’t say he wasn’t? Big loss for 2017 GF day. He might even still be around for our next run given players in that role often seem to go until their 30s.

Hence we should be using early picks on skilful mids + skilful athletic tall forwards. (Not running half backs)

Unfortunately by far the most Skillful mid in this draft Braeden Campbell will be kitting up in the red and white next year.....but I hope we keep the Swans honest and make them match.

 

[Crows I Am]

I didn’t say he wasn’t? Big loss for 2017 GF day. He might even still be around for our next run given players in that role often seem to go until their 30s.

Hence we should be using early picks on skilful mids + skilful athletic tall forwards. (Not running half backs)

We also have Hamill locked in as our next running half back.

 

[GrommoT]

..., and Freo fell over at the starting gate with Neesham.

IMO, GWS are a coach related matter, as I reckon they should have 2 flags in the bank.

Well, we are most thankful to Neesham



^ ie. McLeod

 

[kulak]

We also have Hamill locked in as our next running half back.

I suspect with physical development (and no more concussions) Hamill can play around the contest, or at least as an Isaac Smith style winger.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

#ChayceJones

PMBangers has Logan at 1 now. Few experts getting on board.
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PMBangers maybe you can answer this ......are we entitled to become a little sceptical of the fact you draft experts seem to follow the leader in these drastic changes of player evaluations ?

We certainly value the information you guys provide, but are these rankings your ratings of a player, or how you think the Draft will fall ......if it's the latter, I understand, but if it's the former, 4-5 experts changing player rankings on a player so drastically in a week, has me rolling my eyes

 

[PMBangers]

PMBangers maybe you can answer this ......are we entitled to become a little sceptical of the fact you draft experts seem to follow the leader in these drastic changes of player evaluations ?

We certainly value the information you guys provide, but are these rankings your ratings of a player, or how you think the Draft will fall ......if it's the latter, I understand, but if it's the former, 4-5 experts changing player rankings on a player so drastically in a week, has me rolling my eyes

I think you should always be sceptical of peoples takes in general, and I agree that it can appear as a follow the leader type of scenario and I say take the word of guys like eDPS and Pie 4 Life over mine in general, they watch a hell of a lot more footage than I do.

The phantom or mock drafts are how people expect the draft to fall, and not necessarily reflective of individual rankings, a good example of this is I have Errol Gulden in my personal top 20, but I can't see him getting bid on in the top 20, same with Jackson Callow.
For rankings jumps it's better to ask the posters individually, I know I had McDonald take a massive jump from 19 to 6 between rankings because he answered my doubts about his contested marking and leading patterns, and he's done it against strong, fully grown opposition

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I think you should always be sceptical of peoples takes in general, and I agree that it can appear as a follow the leader type of scenario and I say take the word of guys like eDPS and Pie 4 Life over mine in general, they watch a hell of a lot more footage than I do.

The phantom or mock drafts are how people expect the draft to fall, and not necessarily reflective of individual rankings, a good example of this is I have Errol Gulden in my personal top 20, but I can't see him getting bid on in the top 20, same with Jackson Callow.
For rankings jumps it's better to ask the posters individually, I know I had McDonald take a massive jump from 19 to 6 between rankings because he answered my doubts about his contested marking and leading patterns, and he's done it against strong, fully grown opposition

But off a television play of the game .......I mean do recruiters draft from a television or is it actually necessary to see leading patterns and the game "live"

I fully understand the difficulty this year ......but I assume the original rankings were from live viewing .....now players are climbing rankings over players not even playing, from Victoria .....in fact their rankings are dropping for no other reason than being out of sight

 

[Thetrader15]

Unfortunately by far the most Skillful mid in this draft Braeden Campbell will be kitting up in the red and white next year.....but I hope we keep the Swans honest and make them match.

I can't see the swans wining too many more games (they've already played us), so how do you see this playing out?

We bid at 1 after JUH, then swans do what with their top 4 pick?

 

[PMBangers]

But off a television play of the game .......I mean do recruiters draft from a television or is it actually necessary to see leading patterns and the game "live"

I fully understand the difficulty this year ......but I assume the original rankings were from live viewing .....now players are climbing rankings over players not even playing, from Victoria .....in fact their rankings are dropping for no other reason than being out of sight

Yeah this is an issue I had was dropping vic kids purely because I hadn't been seeing them. There's still something to be taken from video watching, McDonald for example I could start seeing hit the ball at good speed and not run under the ball, thats not something I have to see live to know he's improved, same with his contested marking. If the question is two way running, defensive positioning, stoppage craft, or anything else you need a certain angle to see then it becomes a bit more iffy. Recruiters have access to behind the goals footage as well AFAIK, which is as good as being there live imo (Unless you're knightmare who has noted he likes to sit near benchs to get a read of players attitude)
Again, I wouldn't say I'm a 'good' draft watcher either, the ones I do consider good aren't just dropping vic kids or reactively moving McDonald

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Yeah this is an issue I had was dropping vic kids purely because I hadn't been seeing them. There's still something to be taken from video watching, McDonald for example I could start seeing hit the ball at good speed and not run under the ball, thats not something I have to see live to know he's improved, same with his contested marking. If the question is two way running, defensive positioning, stoppage craft, or anything else you need a certain angle to see then it becomes a bit more iffy. Recruiters have access to behind the goals footage as well AFAIK, which is as good as being there live imo (Unless you're knightmare who has noted he likes to sit near benchs to get a read of players attitude)
Again, I wouldn't say I'm a 'good' draft watcher either, the ones I do consider good aren't just dropping vic kids or reactively moving McDonald

Have you watched McDonald once the ball hits the ground ? .....a lot of work required there

Off that vision, he was also not showing clean hands .....in my books that's # 1 of any high ranked recruit and the first thing I look for, clean hands

 

[PMBangers]

Have you watched McDonald once the ball hits the ground ? .....a lot of work required there

Off that vision, he was also not showing clean hands .....in my books that's # 1 of any high ranked recruit and the first thing I look for, clean hands

Without a doubt groundballs could do with some work, I don't think it's as a big an issue as you seem to though since really, the most you're expecting of a KPF for ground level stuff is to tap to advantage. If I'm getting really critical I question his initial 4-5 steps when leading, I see explosiveness there as vital for forwards and I question whether his is could enough to beat an athletic KPD like Darcy Moore at the next level

 

[eDPS]

Have you watched McDonald once the ball hits the ground ? .....a lot of work required there

Off that vision, he was also not showing clean hands .....in my books that's # 1 of any high ranked recruit and the first thing I look for, clean hands

Ive come to a very different conclusion on his ground ball work, personally think its stellar for a player of 196cm. Thought it was good last year aswell.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Without a doubt groundballs could do with some work, I don't think it's as a big an issue as you seem to though since really, the most you're expecting of a KPF for ground level stuff is to tap to advantage. If I'm getting really critical I question his initial 4-5 steps when leading, I see explosiveness there as vital for forwards and I question whether his is could enough to beat an athletic KPD like Darcy Moore at the next level

Watch Max King .....one grab, beautiful clean hands

So identifying his first 4-5 steps as ???? ......means he'll struggle to get separation on AFL defenders .....I didn't see any leading patterns to cater for this .....all I saw was a talented tall using his body in a one on one contest

At AFL it'll be 2 on one .....so what else is in his bag of tricks as a forward

Again, not being critical, just asking why he's rated so high .....remembering so many top 10 KPF's have failed in the past

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Ive come to a very different conclusion on his ground ball work, personally think its stellar for a player of 196cm. Thought it was good last year aswell.

Interesting we can all see the game differently ......it's what opinions are about, and good to discuss on a forum in a respectful fashion ....cheers

Best FWD I've seen at U18 level have been Tom Hawkins and Max King ........but I also was massive on Tippett, who wasn't fashionable and for a silly reason I've never understood, went at #36

You can tell the very good players immediately ......clean hands, and the appearance of having so much time to make decisions

 

[PMBangers]

Watch Max King .....one grab, beautiful clean hands

So identifying his first 4-5 steps as ???? ......means he'll struggle to get separation on AFL defenders .....I didn't see any leading patterns to cater for this .....all I saw was a talented tall using his body in a one on one contest

At AFL it's be 2 on one .....so what else is in his bag of tricks as a forward

Again, not being critical, just asking why he's rated so high .....remembering so many top 10 KPF's have failed in the past

first 4-5 steps to me are acceleration/ explosiveness, and it's not a major deficiency at the next level imo, it'll be those top tier athletic defenders that will cause some issues, but I struggle to think of many that will do it. In terms of leading patterns catering for it, there's no need to do a bunch of extra work for no reason, if what he does works against a certain opponent stick with it, I'd like to see another DGB v McDonald match up though as DGB might be one with his positioning that could test McDonald and really show if he's worked on those leading patterns as much as I would like>

 

[eDPS]

Interesting we can all see the game differently ......it's what opinions are about, and good to discuss on a forum in a respectful fashion ....cheers

Best FWD I've seen at U18 level have been Tom Hawkins and Max King ........but I also was massive on Tippett, who wasn't fashionable and for a silly reason I've never understood, went at #36

You can tell the very good players immediately ......clean hands, and the appearance of having so much time to make decisions

Oh the King twins are on a different level entirely, they are stupidly quick and agile for their size, either one would go pick 1 this year no question.

 

[eDPS]

first 4-5 steps to me are acceleration/ explosiveness, and it's not a major deficiency at the next level imo, it'll be those top tier athletic defenders that will cause some issues, but I struggle to think of many that will do it. In terms of leading patterns catering for it, there's no need to do a bunch of extra work for no reason, if what he does works against a certain opponent stick with it, I'd like to see another DGB v McDonald match up though as DGB might be one with his positioning that could test McDonald and really show if he's worked on those leading patterns as much as I would like>

McDonald kicked 2 goals on DGB in a League practise match this year. DGB is still far too light to play as a proper key defender.

 

[WheresGroomgone]

Going forward our KPF's seem to any of Fogarty and then either of Frampton or Himmelberg playing KPF and chop out in the ruck. I think the jury is still out on whether they'll make it long term.

Fogarty should. The other 2?

ATM I'm still leaning towards Thilthorpe over McDonald as he's probably going to be a little more versatile. And dependent on Baldwins prognosis, take him with our second round pick if he was still available.

I'd also inclined to keep at least 1 of the Crouch's (preferably Brad, though maybe even both), while the current mids are still developing. Sloane looks cooked and may have reinvent himself in the off-season.

Sadly Frampton seems a band aid fix which I suspected when we traded him in -has shown absolutely nothing in the games he was given this year, whereas at least the younger Himmelberg has definitely shown some signs that he could be quite good, but still I wouldn't draft thinking he is the answer - if we can grab a high quality tall then we need to grab them.

 

[hey shorty]

Sadly Frampton seems a band aid fix which I suspected when we traded him in -has shown absolutely nothing in the games he was given this year, whereas at least the younger Himmelberg has definitely shown some signs that he could be quite good, but still I wouldn't draft thinking he is the answer - if we can grab a high quality tall then we need to grab them.

He's about a year younger, negligible difference.

Also, I thought Billy showed enough in his games to keep is spot.

 

[Crow till I die]

Snuffaluphagus on one of the draft boards hinted he'd like freo to trade up to get mcdonald and hinted he would be happy to pay this year and next years first to do it..sanders what do you think of your old mates thinking

 

[SaltPeter]

Sadly Frampton seems a band aid fix which I suspected when we traded him in -has shown absolutely nothing in the games he was given this year, whereas at least the younger Himmelberg has definitely shown some signs that he could be quite good, but still I wouldn't draft thinking he is the answer - if we can grab a high quality tall then we need to grab them.

So Frampton is depth at the moment, and that's ok. He's only 23. By the time his contract is due to expire in another 2 years he'll have either made a go of it, or be delisted to make room for a younger project.

I'm all for going for a decent tall forward with our 1st draft pick this year.

 

[Kenny Dee]

Where did pick 5 come from?

 

[Crow till I die]

Sadly Frampton seems a band aid fix which I suspected when we traded him in -has shown absolutely nothing in the games he was given this year, whereas at least the younger Himmelberg has definitely shown some signs that he could be quite good, but still I wouldn't draft thinking he is the answer - if we can grab a high quality tall then we need to grab them.

In fairness tony lockett woukd struggle to make an impact in our team with the lack of quality supply and f50 entries in general coming in