Resource 2020 Draft Watch (picks 1, 9, 20, 30, 45, 50, 60, 74) - updated R17 15/9/20

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[Mego Red]

Knight, Kelly and Atkins are the obvious three and you could easily thrown in Hartigan plus put Laird on the trade table

I'm already assuming Knight and Hartigan, and neither Kelly Atkins would really surprise (thought they're both very much first 18 currently, especially Atkins).

I'd absolutely be for trading Laird, as much as I like the guy.

 

[SaltPeter]

Semantics.

Will the AFL have to pay back money borrowed with interest?

So if they only draw down $100M, that is the amount they'll need to repay with interest. Its not semantics

 

[spenze]

It doesn't feel like the kind of thing the club would do, but I'd put Laird and Lynch in the table this year as well.

Think the Laird trade isn't worth it now, we could have got a good pick for him 2 years back, even last year but unless he does something good this year, he'd be a mid to late second rounder in a trade

 

[Mego Red]

briztoon is one the best posters on the Draft and Trading board, so it's great to have him posting here.

I absolutely think we should try to get three picks before Edwards, then get him with this year and next year's thirds. Fantastic idea, especially if it keeps our first for next year.

If trading Laird and our second next year gets us where we have three picks in the top 20 this year, Edwards and Hately, and our first and Dudley next year then I'd be ecstatic.

 

[Mego Red]

Think the Laird trade isn't worth it now, we could have got a good pick for him 2 years back, even last year but unless he does something good this year, he'd be a mid to late second rounder in a trade

Laird?

He's a 26 year old multiple All Australian and a B&F winner. He's hardly only worth a pick 34.

I think something around a late first would be a very realistic expectation in a Laird trade. The chances you get someone better than him at pick 17 isn't a certainty.

 

[skittlebrew]

Semantics.

Will the AFL have to pay back money borrowed with interest?

I understand it was a rhetorical question but it's worth noting... Noone is lending $600m for free lmao

 

[Mego Red]

I also can't imagine any scanario where broadcast revenues aren't cut and list sizes aren't reduced.

The discussion is just too widespread, and it seems like the AFL has pretty obviously leaked it to try and make the ideas more palatable.

 

[briztoon]

So if they only draw down $100M, that is the amount they'll need to repay with interest. Its not semantics

Understood that.

And it doesn’t change the point I made. The AFL will still have debt to pay off, and that will heavily influence their cost cutting measures.

 

[briztoon]

I understand it was a rhetorical question but it's worth noting... Noone is lending $600m for free lmao

Well.... I think some governments do that occasionally. Interest free loan.

But certainly not in this scenario.

 

[Scorpus]

I'm already assuming Knight and Hartigan, and neither Kelly Atkins would really surprise (thought they're both very much first 18 currently, especially Atkins).

I'd absolutely be for trading Laird, as much as I like the guy.

Personally I think Atkins is exactly the sort of player we've been talking about and it's crucial we move him on

He's turning 26
He's played almost 100 games
He's right in the demographic we're loaded with
...but he's not that good and hasn't improved much for years

His spot in the team is perfect for a younger, developing midfielder that might deliver more in years to come.

We need to choose a group of core players 24 and older to take us through the next period (think Sloane, Talia, Matt Crouch, Smith?), and move on every other player above that age bracket in the next few years, especially role players like Kelly.

 

[1990crow]

Personally I think Atkins is exactly the sort of player we've been talking about and it's crucial we move him on

He's turning 26
He's played almost 100 games
He's right in the demographic we're loaded with
...but he's not that good and hasn't improved much for years

His spot in the team is perfect for a younger, developing midfielder that might deliver more in years to come.

We need to choose a group of core players 24 and older to take us through the next period (think Sloane, Talia, Matt Crouch, Smith?), and move on every other player above that age bracket in the next few years, especially role players like Kelly.

Kidding yourself if you think Smith, Sloane and Talia are going to form the next strong period we have. They will all be gone within 4-5 years.
We can’t throw away 100 game players when the bulk of our list in 2-3 years time will have played less than 30 games.

 

[briztoon]

briztoon is one the best posters on the Draft and Trading board, so it's great to have him posting here.

I absolutely think we should try to get three picks before Edwards, then get him with this year and next year's thirds. Fantastic idea, especially if it keeps our first for next year.

If trading Laird and our second next year gets us where we have three picks in the top 20 this year, Edwards and Hately, and our first and Dudley next year then I'd be ecstatic.

Thanks Mego Red.

I was just looking at what clubs might have picks to trade up for the Bulldogs or Collingwoods first round picks, if either club trades for extra points.

And I was adding in the possibility of a shorter draft and list sizes, and how clubs might have to change their draft and trade strategy to maximise the value of the picks that might have traded in last year.

Even if the draft and list sizes stay the same, I think Adelaide might have tried to package up their two second round picks to get up the draft board.

Or use them to move both your first round picks up higher.

For whatever it’s worth, I don’t believe Adelaide will be as bad as some Adelaide posters have said they will be on the draft board.

I don’t believe you’re a bottom 3 club. More likely you finish somewhere in the 10th to 14th

 

[Mego Red]

Personally I think Atkins is exactly the sort of player we've been talking about and it's crucial we move him on

He's turning 26
He's played almost 100 games
He's right in the demographic we're loaded with
...but he's not that good and hasn't improved much for years

His spot in the team is perfect for a younger, developing midfielder that might deliver more in years to come.

We need to choose a group of core players 24 and older to take us through the next period (think Sloane, Talia, Matt Crouch, Smith?), and move on every other player above that age bracket in the next few years, especially role players like Kelly.

Yeah, I agree with that principal and would be happy if we did that.

I'm less convinced that we're stacked with outside mids BUT that's probably the role a younger mid can step in early to play.

Is he a delist? Would someone want him?

 

[Mego Red]

Kidding yourself if you think Smith, Sloane and Talia are going to form the next strong period we have. They will all be gone within 4-5 years.
We can’t throw away 100 game players when the bulk of our list in 2-3 years time will have played less than 30 games.

He clearly said TAKE US to the next period.

 

[jackster83]

Yeah, I agree with that principal and would be happy if we did that.

I'm less convinced that we're stacked with outside mids BUT that's probably the role a younger mid can step in early to play.

Is he a delist? Would someone want him?

He'd be a good fit for a contending side looking to add a bit of outside run. Collingwood or Richmond would suit him.

 

[Scorpus]

Kidding yourself if you think Smith, Sloane and Talia are going to form the next strong period we have. They will all be gone within 4-5 years.
We can’t throw away 100 game players when the bulk of our list in 2-3 years time will have played less than 30 games.

We need senior players to guide us through a transition period. They're not going to be around for the next run, but neither are mediocre 26 year olds with 100 average games under their belt.

Matt Crouch, Milera and Doedee will hopefully be the next wave of senior players when we are successful

 

[Pugsley]

Understood that.

And it doesn’t change the point I made. The AFL will still have debt to pay off, and that will heavily influence their cost cutting measures.

Where do you see Norwood youngster Cooper Murley going?

 

[1990crow]

We need senior players to guide us through a transition period. They're not going to be around for the next run, but neither are mediocre 26 year olds with 100 average games under their belt.

Matt Crouch, Milera and Doedee will hopefully be the next wave of senior players when we are successful

Fair enough but we need as many experienced players as possible to drive training standards and play a full season. RAT isnt everyone's favourite player but I would be keeping him whilst we lose the senior bodies.

 

[Golumless]

Think the Laird trade isn't worth it now, we could have got a good pick for him 2 years back, even last year but unless he does something good this year, he'd be a mid to late second rounder in a trade

That's some serious underrating of Laird. Especially factoring he was an AA in 2017 and 2018.

The only thing that could cause Laird to be worth a second-rounder is the league being flooded with half-backs on the move because clubs have decided to only use that position for developing players. Otherwise, he's a walk-up 1st rounder at worse. He is a double AA player in the prime of his career and really, it's likely he wasn't that far away from another cap in 2019 seeing he did put up a 28 disposal/300 meters gained average.

Unless there are drugs, age (once past 30), or horrific injuries involved, players values don't fluctuate that heavily with a step down in performance for a year. Reputation matters.

 

[spenze]

Laird?

He's a 26 year old multiple All Australian and a B&F winner. He's hardly only worth a pick 34.

I think something around a late first would be a very realistic expectation in a Laird trade. The chances you get someone better than him at pick 17 isn't a certainty.

He is a small defender that isn't quick, had his best years whilst he was the loose player. Last year, he was made to defend and looked awful, teams have all noted that.

I agree a late first round is a realistic expectation, one though that won't be fulfilled.

 

[briztoon]

Where do you see Norwood youngster Cooper Murley going?

Never heard of him so no idea.

I don’t watch the kids like the draft watchers on the draft board.

Don’t recall his name ever being mentioned on the draft board.

 

[Pugsley]

Never heard of him so no idea.

I don’t watch the kids like the draft watchers on the draft board.

Don’t recall his name ever being mentioned on the draft board.

Will play league footy in the SANFL. I'd like the Crows to take him. South Australian equivalent of Patrick Dangerfield at the same age.

 

[Mutineer]

Never heard of him so no idea.

I don’t watch the kids like the draft watchers on the draft board.

Don’t recall his name ever being mentioned on the draft board.

small in and under midfielder with pace, ball magnet, kicking needs some work I've heard. (177cm) eligible for the 2021 draft

Named on the interchange bench in the 2019 U16 All Australian team, a member of the 2020 SA draft Hub.

 

[Mutineer]

Will play league footy in the SANFL. I'd like the Crows to take him. South Australian equivalent of Patrick Dangerfield at the same age.

He's in the Port Academy but don't think he's aligned to them re the draft.

 

[Pugsley]

He's in the Port Academy but don't think he's aligned to them re the draft.

His father would like him to go to Carlton but they got Cripps lets swoop.