Resource 2020 Draft Watch (picks 1, 9, 20, 30, 45, 50, 60, 74) - updated R17 15/9/20

[Deaneus!]

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[Mutineer]

His father would like him to go to Carlton but they got Cripps lets swoop.

People were screaming when we selected "smaller" mids in Ned McHenry and Chayce Jones so you better hope Cooper gets a growth spurt pronto otherwise the melts will start at the mere thought of drafting him. Size isn't an issue with me, football ability is all I look for in a player.

 

[Pugsley]

People were screaming when we selected "smaller" mids in Ned McHenry and Chayce Jones so you better hope Cooper gets a growth spurt pronto otherwise the melts will start at the mere thought of drafting him. Size isn't an issue with me, football ability is all I look for in a player.

He has plenty of football ability. The melts don't bother me.

 

[triggyscrewedus]

Gees you guys look for the downside in everything.

What is easier to use trade up in to the top 10?

2 first round picks tied to GWS and Collingwood? Or 1 first round pick tied to GWS and 2 second round picks tied to yourself and the Bulldogs?


You have two second round picks and two third round picks this year.

At least one of those second round picks will be used to match Edwards, depending on where the bid comes.

Depending on what happens with lists, it’s entirely possible you might not be able to take both those third round picks to the draft.

Ideally you’d want to trade one of those third round picks to another club for a future third round pick. And package the Bulldogs second round pick you hold, with the other third round pick to trade up for a better second round pick, say Fremantle’s.

It’s all about maximising picks you’re possibly not going to end up using. If you’re not going to be able to use them as draft picks, then use them as trade chips to improve the picks you are going to use.

And use the system to your advantage. Why pay for Edwards with a second round pick, when you can pay for him with a third round pick you probably never intend to use anyway.

Excuse us but we are the entitled Adelaide Football Club led by Sir Chapman and he will insist with his infinite wisdom that we continue to stockpile draft picks until atleast 2050 and demand we take unders for players wanting out all for reasons that simple folk wouldn't understand.
It saddens us all that It could be his last year in charge.

 

[Mismatched]

Gees you guys look for the downside in everything.

What is easier to use trade up in to the top 10?

2 first round picks tied to GWS and Collingwood? Or 1 first round pick tied to GWS and 2 second round picks tied to yourself and the Bulldogs?


You have two second round picks and two third round picks this year.

At least one of those second round picks will be used to match Edwards, depending on where the bid comes.

Depending on what happens with lists, it’s entirely possible you might not be able to take both those third round picks to the draft.

Ideally you’d want to trade one of those third round picks to another club for a future third round pick. And package the Bulldogs second round pick you hold, with the other third round pick to trade up for a better second round pick, say Fremantle’s.

It’s all about maximising picks you’re possibly not going to end up using. If you’re not going to be able to use them as draft picks, then use them as trade chips to improve the picks you are going to use.

And use the system to your advantage. Why pay for Edwards with a second round pick, when you can pay for him with a third round pick you probably never intend to use anyway.

I think you've outlined the situation pretty well.

Probably the key factor here is whether or not Edwards actually agrees to join us via F-S. Tyson hasn't exactly been on great terms with the club and has been vocally critical of how we handled his 1st son Jackson. I understand though that he gets along well with Nicks and would have worked closely with him at Port so hopefully that goes in our favour.

The other factor is where Borlase and Newchurch feature in, our NGA's thought to be thereabouts this year. Without games thus far it makes it hard to assess. Although SANFL goes back end of June so we'll start to see some of these guys get some gametime.

But yes, I think the ideal would be to try and gain another 1st round pick so we can have 3 live selections ahead of a bid for Edwards.

Its unfortunate that we haven't seen as much of this years draft crop as we'd have liked, but Ogilvy has had no trouble backing in his underage years assessments of players and we should get a fair gauge later in the year.

Ultimately our list is still in need of significant turnover again and we can't keep pushing back our picks into the future. Ogilvie's an extremely experienced and competent recruiter, this is where he needs to earn the big bucks. 1st round picks are potentially going to be undervalued given the relative uncertainty, so for an experienced, confident recruiter there's potential opportunity.

 

[kulak]

Laird not the type of player we should be moving.

We should be moving on players like Atkins and Luke Brown. Guys who are 25 plus and well outside our top 10.

However with list cuts coming up, there will be very low demand to acquire those types of players. Teams will look after stars and talented kids first. So guys like Atkins and Brown would probably be delistings or salary dumps.

So with that in mind...whatever happens I guess. I will be happy if we stop giving out long term contracts to non top 10 players.

 

[briztoon]

I think you've outlined the situation pretty well.

Probably the key factor here is whether or not Edwards actually agrees to join us via F-S. Tyson hasn't exactly been on great terms with the club and has been vocally critical of how we handled his 1st son Jackson. I understand though that he gets along well with Nicks and would have worked closely with him at Port so hopefully that goes in our favour.

The other factor is where Borlase and Newchurch feature in, our NGA's thought to be thereabouts this year. Without games thus far it makes it hard to assess. Although SANFL goes back end of June so we'll start to see some of these guys get some gametime.

But yes, I think the ideal would be to try and gain another 1st round pick so we can have 3 live selections ahead of a bid for Edwards.

Its unfortunate that we haven't seen as much of this years draft crop as we'd have liked, but Ogilvy has had no trouble backing in his underage years assessments of players and we should get a fair gauge later in the year.

Ultimately our list is still in need of significant turnover again and we can't keep pushing back our picks into the future. Ogilvie's an extremely experienced and competent recruiter, this is where he needs to earn the big bucks. 1st round picks are potentially going to be undervalued given the relative uncertainty, so for an experienced, confident recruiter there's potential opportunity.

I’ll reply later about Borlase and Newchurch when I have time.

Fans need to start getting used to the idea of not selecting or matching bids on lesser rated father son or academy kids.

 

[Thetrader15]

People were screaming when we selected "smaller" mids in Ned McHenry and Chayce Jones so you better hope Cooper gets a growth spurt pronto otherwise the melts will start at the mere thought of drafting him. Size isn't an issue with me, football ability is all I look for in a player.

Nah, we need more big inside mids like Greenwood and CEY. That's our problem.

Maybe we can swap Brad Crouch for Greenwood and Matt for CEY. Then we'd have 2 big inside mids and the flag us ours!

 

[Thetrader15]

Laird not the type of player we should be moving.

We should be moving on players like Atkins and Luke Brown. Guys who are 25 plus and well outside our top 10.

However with list cuts coming up, there will be very low demand to acquire those types of players. Teams will look after stars and talented kids first. So guys like Atkins and Brown would probably be delistings or salary dumps.

So with that in mind...whatever happens I guess. I will be happy if we stop giving out long term contracts to non top 10 players.

Not a Brown fan? He would be starting back pocket in at least 15 teams

 

[SaltPeter]

Nah, we need more big inside mids like Greenwood and CEY. That's our problem.

Maybe we can swap Brad Crouch for Greenwood and Matt for CEY. Then we'd have 2 big inside mids and the flag us ours!

All good, we'll let O'Connor make that his role. After all, Ronin rhymes with Conan

 

[Mutineer]

Squad predictions: 2020 South Australia Under 18s

THE annual Under 18 National Championships may be the only chance we get to catch a glimpse of the class of 2020 before draft day, with a decision on the recommencement of competition pushed back to at least September. In the meantime, Draft Central takes a look at how each regional squad may...

afl.draftcentral.com.au

 

[Betts are off]

Squad predictions: 2020 South Australia Under 18s

THE annual Under 18 National Championships may be the only chance we get to catch a glimpse of the class of 2020 before draft day, with a decision on the recommencement of competition pushed back to at least September. In the meantime, Draft Central takes a look at how each regional squad may...

afl.draftcentral.com.au

You know of any good Tassie Smokies that we should be keeping an eye on this draft class Bicks?

 

[kulak]

Not a Brown fan? He would be starting back pocket in at least 15 teams

Atkins and Brown are on a similar tier. Both clear best 22, but also clear outside our top 10. Atkins is 26, Brown is 28. Both are relatively one dimensional players who are good at what they do well, but not stars. Classic role players which every successful team needs.

As a contender or imagined contender it made sense to put 22 games per year into those guys.

Now we are rebuilding they should be the type of player we move to create room for our current and soon to be drafted kids.

Meanwhile for some reason many on this board love Brown and hate Atkins.

One reason to value Brown more highly - do we see him as a “culture leader” who will help our kids learn good habits? But the same logic could apply to retaining DMac. I am not sure I trust my club’s judgement on this at the moment.

 

[Betts are off]

Atkins and Brown are on a similar tier. Both clear best 22, but also clear outside our top 10. Atkins is 26, Brown is 28. Both are relatively one dimensional players who are good at what they do well, but not stars. Classic role players which every successful team needs.

As a contender or imagined contender it made sense to put 22 games per year into those guys.

Now we are rebuilding they should be the type of player we move to create room for our current and soon to be drafted kids.

Meanwhile for some reason many on this board love Brown and hate Atkins.

One reason to value Brown more highly - do we see him as a “culture leader” who will help our kids learn good habits? But the same logic could apply to retaining DMac. I am not sure I trust my club’s judgement on this at the moment.

At some point in the last 10-15 years, the outside mid role has become the most thankless and over scrutinized positions in the AFL, especially for Crows Fans.

What really irritates me is when people only look at 1 stat (total possessions) when judging an outside mid on their role. Expecting an outside mid to consistently rack up inside mid numbers is completely ridiculous, and it certainly doesn't make them bad at their role if they average 15-22 touches.

To put it into context Peter Matera who is universally known as one of the best (if not the best wingman) of all time only averaged 18.85 touches a game, and only eclipsed 20/game twice in 13 seasons.

 

[1990crow]

I’ll reply later about Borlase and Newchurch when I have time.

Fans need to start getting used to the idea of not selecting or matching bids on lesser rated father son or academy kids.

Newchurch will get selected. Im 50/50 on Borlase. Would like to see some U18 championship form as he has been selected in high level teams his whole junior career which is generally a good indication on ability. If he could make FB his own and look dominant I would be picking him up.

 

[Mismatched]

Laird not the type of player we should be moving.

We should be moving on players like Atkins and Luke Brown. Guys who are 25 plus and well outside our top 10.

However with list cuts coming up, there will be very low demand to acquire those types of players. Teams will look after stars and talented kids first. So guys like Atkins and Brown would probably be delistings or salary dumps.

So with that in mind...whatever happens I guess. I will be happy if we stop giving out long term contracts to non top 10 players.

Yeah I think this is a bit of a concern. We're kind of at the point where we need to be moving on a few (not all) established players to continue regenerating our list and to create opportunities in the 22 for those coming through. Unfortunately though, especially if lists do shrink, suddenly there's going to be limited demand for such players.

Brown I must say is a really difficult one. Given where we're at as a club/list, there probably needs to be a lot more scrutiny on his role. There's no doubt he is one of the best shut down small defenders in the game. The trouble is, is that position is often a great way to give opportunities to young players and from what we've seen, Brown has very little versatility and offers no rebound/offense. The other thing is, I think the real world difference between what Brown offers and what a developing player might offer is very little.

Its where I think our team selection has really lacked leadership/balls. Its very easy to just lock Brown in for that position, one less thing to worry about, but given our backline is filled with dire, lockdown types who lack rebound, is it the best thing for the club. Could we be giving Lachie Scholl or Will Hamill an opportunity? Lachie Murphy was drafted having played such a role, how does he look down there? Is Jake Kelly capable of playing the role, but with greater versatility given he's ~10cm taller?

At the very least I think its time to start experimenting with Brown elsewhere. Does he go forward for a bit, perhaps a straight swap for Murphy, do we throw him through the midfield as a bit of a change up. I'm sure the guy's probably sick of playing shut down defender.

I’ll reply later about Borlase and Newchurch when I have time.

Fans need to start getting used to the idea of not selecting or matching bids on lesser rated father son or academy kids.

Thanks mate, yeah I'm by no means suggesting its a fait accompli that we draft those 2 and would be very keen to hear your thoughts if you've seen a bit more of them.

Agree that, assuming there still is an NGA, that we'll see these players let go more often than in the past. Although given the lack of exposed form of players in general, you might see clubs being more keen on taking their academy players this year, as they would know so much more about them and be more comfortable with what they offer.

 

[Mutineer]

You know of any good Tassie Smokies that we should be keeping an eye on this draft class Bicks?

It's actually a very strong draft from Tassie this year...

Jackson Callow

Club: Tasmania/Allies

Position: Key Forward

Size: 193cm, 94kg

Champion Data player comparison: Jack Riewoldt

Foxfooty.com.au says: The key forward was mighty impressive for Tasmania during the U18 Academy Series, before being named in the Allies squad. Callow is one of the stronger key forwards in this draft pool, as he can push off his opponent well. A very clean player at ground level, Callow is hard to beat inside 50 when the ball is very close to goal.

Sam Collins

Club: Tasmania/Allies

Position: General Defender

Size: 187cm, 79kg

Champion Data player comparison: Tom Stewart

Foxfooty.com.au says: When you think of Collins, you immediately think of Dylan Grimes and Tom Stewart, given his ability to drop back and intercept with ease. If the ball comes inside defensive 50, it’s Collins who wins the one-on-one battle or floats in and takes a mark. Collins is also reliable with the ball when he needs to pump it to a teammate down the ground.

Oliver Davis

Club: Tasmania/Allies

Position: Midfielder

Size: 181cm, 75kg

Champion Data player comparison: Luke Shuey

Foxfooty.com.au says: Davis is a hard working midfielder who loves the contested situations. His clearance work is impressive and he is willing to tackle hard to get the ball back. The Tasmanian trained with the Roos over the summer, following a season where he averaged 22 disposals in 13 NAB League performances. Davis loves to push back into defence and help his teammates when needed.

 

[Jarman3]

Meanwhile for some reason many on this board love Brown and hate Atkins.

One reason to value Brown more highly - do we see him as a “culture leader” who will help our kids learn good habits? But the same logic could apply to retaining DMac. I am not sure I trust my club’s judgement on this at the moment.

I don't hate Atkins, but I wouldn't be super desperate to keep him if he wanted to move on or we needed trade currency or list / salary cap space. For me the difference is consistency - Brown performs at a consistent level week in week out. Atkins has a huge gap between his best and his worst, and fluctuates pretty wildly between them

 

[Betts are off]

It's actually a very strong draft from Tassie this year...

Jackson Callow

Club: Tasmania/Allies

Position: Key Forward

Size: 193cm, 94kg

Champion Data player comparison: Jack Riewoldt

Foxfooty.com.au says: The key forward was mighty impressive for Tasmania during the U18 Academy Series, before being named in the Allies squad. Callow is one of the stronger key forwards in this draft pool, as he can push off his opponent well. A very clean player at ground level, Callow is hard to beat inside 50 when the ball is very close to goal.

Sam Collins

Club: Tasmania/Allies

Position: General Defender

Size: 187cm, 79kg

Champion Data player comparison: Tom Stewart

Foxfooty.com.au says: When you think of Collins, you immediately think of Dylan Grimes and Tom Stewart, given his ability to drop back and intercept with ease. If the ball comes inside defensive 50, it’s Collins who wins the one-on-one battle or floats in and takes a mark. Collins is also reliable with the ball when he needs to pump it to a teammate down the ground.

Oliver Davis

Club: Tasmania/Allies

Position: Midfielder

Size: 181cm, 75kg

Champion Data player comparison: Luke Shuey

Foxfooty.com.au says: Davis is a hard working midfielder who loves the contested situations. His clearance work is impressive and he is willing to tackle hard to get the ball back. The Tasmanian trained with the Roos over the summer, following a season where he averaged 22 disposals in 13 NAB League performances. Davis loves to push back into defence and help his teammates when needed.

All pretty interesting prospects. I'll keep a close check on them if we get some games.

 

[Mutineer]

All pretty interesting prospects. I'll keep a close check on them if we get some games.

Sam Collins in particular is a ripper but it's a position we seem to have plenty of cover in so unless Hamish thinks he can transition into a midfielder or utility he's probably not going to be on our radar.

 

[Truck25]

Squad predictions: 2020 South Australia Under 18s

THE annual Under 18 National Championships may be the only chance we get to catch a glimpse of the class of 2020 before draft day, with a decision on the recommencement of competition pushed back to at least September. In the meantime, Draft Central takes a look at how each regional squad may...

afl.draftcentral.com.au

Hey, do you know if Isaiah Dudley is still in our NGA? Was talking to someone with ties to the state team and was a huge wrap on the kid, "talent to burn" and "is going to be something special" were the words used.

 

[Mutineer]

Hey, do you know if Isaiah Dudley is still in our NGA? Was talking to someone with ties to the state team and was a huge wrap on the kid, "talent to burn" and "is going to be something special" were the words used.

AFAIK he is, small forward probably pigeon holes him due to his small stature.

There's actually a ripper SA kid available this this draft I'd really like us to draft to boost our small forward stocks, just a natural footballer Centrals Corey Durdin, already starring in the SANFL.

 

[Apsaalooke]

Not a Brown fan? He would be starting back pocket in at least 15 teams

His form seems to have tapered off though, perhaps it's injury who knows.
He's gone from under-rated to a tad over-rated in the last year IMO. We won't delist him and would get unders in a trade so hopefully he'll get back to what he was.

 

[Mutineer]

His form seems to have tapered off though, perhaps it's injury who knows.
He's gone from under-rated to a tad over-rated in the last year IMO. We won't delist him and would get unders in a trade so hopefully he'll get back to what he was.

I can't work out why he's been pigeon holed as a small defender only with us.

In his draft year for Norwood he also played a bit of wing/midfield.half forward as well as small defender...

I remember these words from Hamish in 2013 on Luke Brown.

Luke could play as a small defender at AFL level as long as he wants, or as long as the coach wants him too, but he should develop to play as a wing/midfielder in time. He’s quiet, but he gets the job done. He never said much in his interview. Even after we drafted him, he came into the Club the next day and didn’t say much. He just turned up and started training, and it’s been the same way ever since.

 

[Apsaalooke]

I can't work out why he's been pigeon holed as a small defender only with us.

In his draft year for Norwood he also played a bit of wing/midfield.half forward as well as small defender...

I remember these words from Hamish in 2013 on Luke Brown.

Luke could play as a small defender at AFL level as long as he wants, or as long as the coach wants him too, but he should develop to play as a wing/midfielder in time. He’s quiet, but he gets the job done. He never said much in his interview. Even after we drafted him, he came into the Club the next day and didn’t say much. He just turned up and started training, and it’s been the same way ever since.

It's basically an experimental year for us. I'd like to see Brown and Murphy swap positions.

 

[1990crow]

It's basically an experimental year for us. I'd like to see Brown and Murphy swap positions.

Murphy needs to be tried elsewhere because he won’t make it as a small forward.