Resource 2020 Draft Watch (picks 1, 9, 20, 30, 45, 50, 60, 74) - updated R17 15/9/20

[Deaneus!]

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[Mutineer]

Mutineer - I’m bothered by the fact none of the 2020 draft class made the 2019 U18 All-Australian team. Usually a few underagers make it, seems to suggest this year’s pool isn’t that strong.

Can I get your take on that?

Why would that worry you, talent is talent, it all gets down to whether the coaches are prepared to play the under agers in every game or just give them a taste, after all the state coaches job is to get as many players drafted that year as possible.

The difficulty this year is with limited football played the recruiters have plenty of pressure on them and you can bet they've spent many many hours poring over video from last year at all levels.

 

[Mutineer]

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[briztoon]

Mutineer - I’m bothered by the fact none of the 2020 draft class made the 2019 U18 All-Australian team. Usually a few underagers make it, seems to suggest this year’s pool isn’t that strong.

Can I get your take on that?

Luke Edwards and Denver Granger-Barrass probably should have been bottom age AA.

Very few were played in the carnival though. And those that did play, were often played out of position, or not in a position to have a great impact.

Go back a year, and Matt Rowell didn’t get much of a look in for Vic Metro as a bottom age player.

And the kids who were named as AA as bottom agers in 2018, were all drafted in the second round in 2019, and one in the rookie draft.

 

[Golumless]

If that's the case, I'd throw Matt to the open market

I'm in the "wait until 2021" camp with Matt.

Sure, he's struggled badly this season and is really a canary in a coalmine with a lot of his play. That said, I do think there is value into seeing how O'Connor/Shoenburg develop before cutting loose. Also, it allows one more draft and that allows us to bring in a player to replace him.

The only other question is can we attract someone? If let's say, a Hately decided his career is better suited at Adelaide due to the dearth of talent at the club (and this is an asset we do have in trade negotiations for youth who have struggled to hold down a best 22 spot in stacked sides), then trading Matt is definitely on the table if we keep Brad.

Still though, I think the simplest solution is to just lose Brad this off-season. If it's tier-one compo don't match, tier-two compo, match the contract and force a trade for a 1st rounder (even if we do end up on trading another pick too, as we're in a good position to do that). As much as it would be horrifically undervaluing Brad, I don't even think the idea of Brad + 22 for a top 10 pick is that unpalatable in our current situation and considering the likelihood that pick will end up being used for NGA points.

Sadly, if things continue as they are, Brad is most likely to sign a two year deal at $550k to $600k with us.

I doubt we'll even offer him that unless it is to match a deal to try to get greedy.

I assume we'll give Brad the Lever treatment, and lowball by 1-200k.

It won't matter. As long as he doesn't suffer a significant injury, he should be fine. Everyone outside of Crows HQ, knows that the club have mentally destroyed the players. A fresh start and they know he will be back to what he was.

He certainly looks like he is playing to avoid a significant injury.

That's what we're hoping for.

 

[briztoon]

Not hard to see why I'm so big on Nathan O'Driscoll? Then draft the other top notch WA mid Zane Trew and we could have 3 really big bodied mids with Ronin O'Connor making up the WA trifecta, all with a nice array of speed, skills and ball winning ability. Keeping kids together from their junior footy seems to be working out well for some clubs when it comes to retention, why not us?

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DESPITE remaining in the unknown of football’s temporary absence, Draft Central is set to ramp up its draft analysis with another new prospect-focussed series, Marquee Matchups. We take a look at some of the high-end head-to-head battles which look likely to take place should the class of 2020 take the field, comparing pairs of draft hopefuls to help preview who may come out on top.
The pair next under the microscope – Murray’s Elijah Hollands and Perth’s Nathan O’Driscoll – have already gone head-to-head, matching up in representative action at Under 16 and Under 18 level, while also playing on opposing sides during last year’s Under 17 Futures All Star fixture. Both are among their state’s leading draft prospects for 2020, with Hollands in the conversation for number one pick honours before suffering a season-ending knee injury, while O’Driscoll has the all-round game to push for first round selection.
Hollands, who was one of the few bottom-agers to feature in all four national carnival opportunities, last year also cracked the Bushrangers’ Under 18 side as a 16-year-old. He played three times in 2018 and backed it up with another four outings in 2019, averaging nearly 17 disposals and over a goal per game in the NAB League in between his school football commitments with Caulfield Grammar. Having already graduated from school, Hollands was primed to feature full-time for Murray in his usual midfield/forward role, hoping to showcase his match-winning abilities.
O’Driscoll was another bottom-aged prospect to make an early break into the Under 18 state squad, running out three times for the Black Ducks across last year’s carnival. Playing mostly as a running half-back/wingman, the Perth product averaged 16 disposals and 6.7 tackles as he adjusted seamlessly to the step-up in competition. O’Driscoll was also a mainstay in the Demons’ Colts side, averaging over 25 disposals in his seven appearances in more of a midfield-oriented role. Both he and Hollands were set to see more midfield minutes in 2020, but could well have also met in a half-back/half-forward duel in this year’s National Championships.
Without further ado, get up to speed with how the two match up in terms of their form to date, strengths, improvements, and what has already been said about their performances in our scouting notes.

PLAYER PAGES
Elijah Hollands
Murray Bushrangers/Vic Country
DOB: April 25, 2002
Height: 188cm
Weight: 80kg
Position: Forward/balanced midfielder
Nathan O’Driscoll
Perth/Western Australia
DOB: May 17, 2002
Height: 187cm
Weight: 76kg
Position: Half-back/inside midfielder

ATHLETIC PROFILES
VERTICAL JUMP
Hollands – 47cm
O’Driscoll – 67cm
RUNNING VERTICAL JUMP (R/L)
Hollands – 60cm/59cm
O’Driscoll – 86cm/80cm
SPEED (20m)
Hollands – 3.05 seconds
O’Driscoll – 2.99 seconds
AGILITY
Hollands – 8.87 seconds
O’Driscoll – 8.46 seconds
ENDURANCE (Yo-yo)
Hollands – 21.2
O’Driscoll – 21.8
Note: Hollands’ results derive from 2019 preseason testing.
Obviously these results are essentially incomparable given all of Hollands’ scores come from his bottom-aged preseason, but O’Driscoll’s efforts from earlier this year give a good insight into his overall athletic package. Both are powerful and well-built athletes, with O’Driscoll proving as much in his near-elite results across the board; posting terrific running vertical jump scores, a sub-three-second 20-metre sprint, very serviceable agility time of 8.46 seconds, and a high-end yo-yo test score of 21.8.
O’Driscoll’s rare combination of speed and endurance is exactly what AFL recruiters yearn for, while his explosive capabilities prove he is well equipped to keep up with the speed and rigours of senior football. While his 2019 results may not speak to it as such, Hollands is not lost on the same attributes, boasting a similarly high-level speed and endurance base. His vertical jumping results are entirely unflattering and thus far from indicative of how he plays. Hollands would arguably feature right up there with O’Driscoll at this point in time if not for his knee injury, but that remains to be seen.

I’m of the opinion that midfields are probably best to have a mix of types of players, and that there is definitely a need/place for your elite, shorter extractor bulls.

At the Lions we see it with Neale now. He’s very clean with ground balls, and though he’s not fast, he’s able to move through congested traffic due to his low centre of gravity and agility.

So there’s a place for sub 180 extractor accumulator types. Complemented by your tall, big bodied mid.

If I was building a midfield from this draft class, the first two players I’d select would be Will Phillips and Nathan O’Driscoll.

But as others have mentioned here, your rebuild won’t be completed in one draft, and seeing as you have a few very good small inside mids already, I’d still be looking at Thilthorpe first, as it’s much harder to find and draft elite KPP’s typically.

 

[GrommoT]

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Still though, I think the simplest solution is to just lose Brad this off-season. If it's tier-one compo don't match, tier-two compo, match the contract and force a trade for a 1st rounder (even if we do end up on trading another pick too, as we're in a good position to do that).
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Tier 2 for Brad could work for us if the destination club has an early-mid r1 pick and is willing to do a side deal with us for it for our r2 pick (or our WB's r2 pick) - maybe they have an Academy prospect they'd likely need to match.

 

[Golumless]

Tier 2 for Brad could work for us if the destination club has an early-mid r1 pick and is willing to do a side deal with us for it for our r2 pick (or our WB's r2 pick) - maybe they have an Academy prospect they'd likely need to match.

Yeah, we're on the same wavelength with that.

 

[ams4crows]

Kaine Baldwin has done his ACL again and is out for the year

Also means with two ACL injuries will probably slip out of the first round

 

[craig crowing]

Not hard to see why I'm so big on Nathan O'Driscoll? Then draft the other top notch WA mid Zane Trew and we could have 3 really big bodied mids with Ronin O'Connor making up the WA trifecta, all with a nice array of speed, skills and ball winning ability. Keeping kids together from their junior footy seems to be working out well for some clubs when it comes to retention, why not us?

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DESPITE remaining in the unknown of football’s temporary absence, Draft Central is set to ramp up its draft analysis with another new prospect-focussed series, Marquee Matchups. We take a look at some of the high-end head-to-head battles which look likely to take place should the class of 2020 take the field, comparing pairs of draft hopefuls to help preview who may come out on top.
The pair next under the microscope – Murray’s Elijah Hollands and Perth’s Nathan O’Driscoll – have already gone head-to-head, matching up in representative action at Under 16 and Under 18 level, while also playing on opposing sides during last year’s Under 17 Futures All Star fixture. Both are among their state’s leading draft prospects for 2020, with Hollands in the conversation for number one pick honours before suffering a season-ending knee injury, while O’Driscoll has the all-round game to push for first round selection.
Hollands, who was one of the few bottom-agers to feature in all four national carnival opportunities, last year also cracked the Bushrangers’ Under 18 side as a 16-year-old. He played three times in 2018 and backed it up with another four outings in 2019, averaging nearly 17 disposals and over a goal per game in the NAB League in between his school football commitments with Caulfield Grammar. Having already graduated from school, Hollands was primed to feature full-time for Murray in his usual midfield/forward role, hoping to showcase his match-winning abilities.
O’Driscoll was another bottom-aged prospect to make an early break into the Under 18 state squad, running out three times for the Black Ducks across last year’s carnival. Playing mostly as a running half-back/wingman, the Perth product averaged 16 disposals and 6.7 tackles as he adjusted seamlessly to the step-up in competition. O’Driscoll was also a mainstay in the Demons’ Colts side, averaging over 25 disposals in his seven appearances in more of a midfield-oriented role. Both he and Hollands were set to see more midfield minutes in 2020, but could well have also met in a half-back/half-forward duel in this year’s National Championships.
Without further ado, get up to speed with how the two match up in terms of their form to date, strengths, improvements, and what has already been said about their performances in our scouting notes.

PLAYER PAGES
Elijah Hollands
Murray Bushrangers/Vic Country
DOB: April 25, 2002
Height: 188cm
Weight: 80kg
Position: Forward/balanced midfielder
Nathan O’Driscoll
Perth/Western Australia
DOB: May 17, 2002
Height: 187cm
Weight: 76kg
Position: Half-back/inside midfielder

ATHLETIC PROFILES
VERTICAL JUMP
Hollands – 47cm
O’Driscoll – 67cm
RUNNING VERTICAL JUMP (R/L)
Hollands – 60cm/59cm
O’Driscoll – 86cm/80cm
SPEED (20m)
Hollands – 3.05 seconds
O’Driscoll – 2.99 seconds
AGILITY
Hollands – 8.87 seconds
O’Driscoll – 8.46 seconds
ENDURANCE (Yo-yo)
Hollands – 21.2
O’Driscoll – 21.8
Note: Hollands’ results derive from 2019 preseason testing.
Obviously these results are essentially incomparable given all of Hollands’ scores come from his bottom-aged preseason, but O’Driscoll’s efforts from earlier this year give a good insight into his overall athletic package. Both are powerful and well-built athletes, with O’Driscoll proving as much in his near-elite results across the board; posting terrific running vertical jump scores, a sub-three-second 20-metre sprint, very serviceable agility time of 8.46 seconds, and a high-end yo-yo test score of 21.8.
O’Driscoll’s rare combination of speed and endurance is exactly what AFL recruiters yearn for, while his explosive capabilities prove he is well equipped to keep up with the speed and rigours of senior football. While his 2019 results may not speak to it as such, Hollands is not lost on the same attributes, boasting a similarly high-level speed and endurance base. His vertical jumping results are entirely unflattering and thus far from indicative of how he plays. Hollands would arguably feature right up there with O’Driscoll at this point in time if not for his knee injury, but that remains to be seen.

Like the look of O Driscoll and even more like the idea of getting ex junior team mates together especially in current climate where we would not be flavour of the month and a couple of tough years ahead.
As I still see Tillthorpe as first pick target Mutineer what pick would we need to get ODriscoll and where would Trew fit in draft do you expect.

 

[Squiba]

Imo, Himmelberg should move into a key defensive roll, then develop McAsey as either a forward or a third tall defender (transitioning into a key post in time).

Draft one of Ugle-Hagan/Thilthorpe at 1, best available mid with some size at ~10. If we get Crouch compo in the early first round, great, get best available. But if not, we have a cluster of trade capital in that late first/early second round.

That's the pick to take a risk on a Hollands type (assuming he slides ala Kemp), or move up the draft to get him before an Edwards bid comes through (assuming Edwards ends up nominating that is).

Thilthorpe as a key forward and chop out ruck is a far better structure than the alternative of running Fog as a chop out.

 

[Mutineer]

Like the look of O Driscoll and even more like the idea of getting ex junior team mates together especially in current climate where we would not be flavour of the month and a couple of tough years ahead.
As I still see Tillthorpe as first pick target Mutineer what pick would we need to get ODriscoll and where would Trew fit in draft do you expect.

I expect all 3 to go inside the 1st round Thilthorpe and O'Driscoll top 10, maybe even the pointy end and Trew likely outside the top 10 given his lack of footy last year. Much depends on the resumption of footy and of course performance.

 

[Crow till I die]

I expect all 3 to go inside the 1st round Thilthorpe and O'Driscoll top 10, maybe even the pointy end and Trew likely outside the top 10 given his lack of footy last year. Much depends on the resumption of footy and of course performance.

Hey Mutineer..with O'Driscoll and Trew, do you see Edwards being in the same class as these 2? and do you prefer both over Phillips?

 

[Mutineer]

Hey Mutineer..with O'Driscoll and Trew, do you see Edwards being in the same class as these 2? and do you prefer both over Phillips?

The vibe I get from this board and more generally Crows supporters everywhere is they are increasingly adverse to drafting sub 180cm midfielders, no doubt Phillips is in the top 3 or 4 mids in this draft and I don't see size as the issue a lot do but I think what you see is what you get with Phillips I just think O'Driscoll has more upside into the future and a far more penetrating kick.

Zane Trew is without a doubt possessed of the just about the best footskills in this draft class, a big bodied mid that can win his own ball and then use it effectively is a real need for us.

I'd probably have both O'Driscoll and Trew slightly ahead of Edwards personally but IMO all are genuine 1st round talents.

 

[SaltPeter]

The vibe I get from this board and more generally Crows supporters everywhere is they are increasingly adverse to drafting sub 180cm midfielders, no doubt Phillips is in the top 3 or 4 mids in this draft and I don't see size as the issue a lot do but I think what you see is what you get with Phillips I just think O'Driscoll has more upside into the future and a far more penetrating kick.

Zane Trew is without a doubt possessed of the just about the best footskills in this draft class, a big bodied mid that can win his own ball and then use it highlt effectively is a real need for us.

I'd probably have both O'Driscoll and Trew slightly ahead of Edwards personally but IMO all are genuine 1st round talents.

Kind of get the impression reading the draft board that right now that Trew and perhaps O'Driscoll would be more within reach of our second 1st round pick

 

[Dudersaurus]

Draft haul incoming. Hilarious re Atkins.

Start the car.

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[Mutineer]

Kind of get the impression reading the draft board that right now that Trew and perhaps O'Driscoll would be more within reach of our second 1st round pick

Wouldn't be too sure about that, I think O'Driscoll will rise and likely Zane Trew does once footy resumes in the West in late July/August, that's just my opinion.. Trew was a standout at the 2018 U16 Championships and didn't play much footy last year only the 3 games for Swan Districts, his last game he knocked up 40 disposals and 10 tackles. Training with Swan Districts WAFL team this year.

Simply Energy Diaries: Zane Trew

In a time of great uncertainty around the footballing world, we take you inside the lives of our Western Australian Under 18s as they navigate their way through an unprecedented 2020 season. The positives, the negatives and the new opportunities that present themselves will all be told in the...

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[Crow till I die]

The vibe I get from this board and more generally Crows supporters everywhere is they are increasingly adverse to drafting sub 180cm midfielders, no doubt Phillips is in the top 3 or 4 mids in this draft and I don't see size as the issue a lot do but I think what you see is what you get with Phillips I just think O'Driscoll has more upside into the future and a far more penetrating kick.

Zane Trew is without a doubt possessed of the just about the best footskills in this draft class, a big bodied mid that can win his own ball and then use it effectively is a real need for us.

I'd probably have both O'Driscoll and Trew slightly ahead of Edwards personally but IMO all are genuine 1st round talents.

So where we stand atm, if one of the 2 of O'Driscoll or Trew were available at say the GWS pick we have and we were to get Thilthorpe with our first selection, then we end up with a great key position talent and 2 strong mids in Edwards and one of the two mentioned - and that is not to say we may not be able to further increase our draft haul with trading / bundling up picks to maybe grab another strong mid..It could set us up going forward

 

[Mutineer]

So where we stand atm, if one of the 2 of O'Driscoll or Trew were available at say the GWS pick we have and we were to get Thilthorpe with our first selection, then we end up with a great key position talent and 2 strong mids in Edwards and one of the two mentioned - and that is not to say we may not be able to further increase our draft haul with trading / bundling up picks to maybe grab another strong mid..It could set us up going forward

You better hope Hamish and his team rate Thilthorpe as high as everyone on this board then...

 

[SaltPeter]

Wouldn't be too sure about that, I think O'Driscoll will rise and likely Zane Trew does once footy resumes in the West in late July/August, that's just my opinion.. Trew was a standout at the 2018 U16 Championships and didn't play much footy last year only the 3 games for Swan Districts, his last game he knocked up 40 disposals and 10 tackles. Training with Swan Districts WAFL team this year.

Simply Energy Diaries: Zane Trew

In a time of great uncertainty around the footballing world, we take you inside the lives of our Western Australian Under 18s as they navigate their way through an unprecedented 2020 season. The positives, the negatives and the new opportunities that present themselves will all be told in the...

www.wafootball.com.au

Agree .. I did add the disclaimer of right now though .. and if GWS start winning games that pick could end up being much higher as well I guess

 

[Crow till I die]

You better hope Hamish and his team rate Thilthorpe as high as everyone on this board then...

you know when you go in not expecting much and still come away disappointed.......

 

[jackster83]

Draft haul incoming. Hilarious re Atkins.

Start the car.

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Suggesting Gibbs has trade value was funnier.

 

[Mutineer]

A bit more on the 2 WA boys....getting to know Zane Trew and Nathan O'Driscoll....seem like decent lads...

 

[Dangerousfield]

Draft haul incoming. Hilarious re Atkins.

Start the car.

Early verdict: The 16 hottest trade targets and what they should do

Early verdict: The 16 hottest trade targets and what they should do

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What steaming crock of poo from Tom Morris, Atkins rated by other clubs? idiots, Hawkins a juicy two year deal elsewhere, he's nearly cooked. These guys have to write something and expose themselves as really knowing bugger all.

Wonder if we could get more than a future 4th for Atkins?

 

[radiojake]

What steaming crock of poo from Tom Morris, Atkins rated by other clubs? idiots, Hawkins a juicy two year deal elsewhere, he's nearly cooked. These guys have to write something and expose themselves as really knowing bugger all.

Wonder if we could get more than a future 4th for Atkins?

Crows picked up Atkins at #81

What a shrewd piece of investment to take a pick #81, put 100 AFL games and 8 years worth of resources into, and then sell at his highest for pick #70

Love it -

 

[Golumless]

Draft haul incoming. Hilarious re Atkins.

Start the car.

Early verdict: The 16 hottest trade targets and what they should do

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I kind of get other clubs rating Atkins. He is certainly good on the outside, and has some match winning abilities (Geelong PF he tore them up in the first quarter as an example). He is just inconsistent and very outside.

Type fans hate but list managers/coaches are like "tempting".