List Mgmt. 2020 List Management, Free Agency & Trade thread

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This Part 2 Continued from Part 1: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2020-list-management-free-agency-trade-thread.1241035/ What type of players does our list need? Pace, Skill, Class and and goal threat. A winger, forward flank and forward pocket are the 3 positions that we need, plus...
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eastfreo75 said:
I wasn't for or against the idea.

Aish and Acres can play wing with Acres playing as an inside mid sometimes.

Phillips for Bewley would be an upgrade.

Cerra is an interesting one, as JL stated that we have too inside mids.
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Yeah, for mine not enough love for Cerra on the wing here. He was our best winger this year.
 

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Righteo said:
History is against us. We've picked 1 great KPF in 25 years.
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The draft is always the easiest way for Fremantle to get elite players. Always has been.
I also think some people are confusing elite talent with elite players. There is a very big difference. There’s plenty of elite talent knocking around the league,but there’s much less elite players.
 
Dockeroo said:
The draft is always the easiest way for Fremantle to get elite players. Always has been.
I also think some people are confusing elite talent with elite players. There is a very big difference. There’s plenty of elite talent knocking around the league,but there’s much less elite players.
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I'm responding to a comment that reckons we can pick up a JK/Hawkins type of fwd in the draft. Maybe we can, but it's something we've done once ever and the bloke wasn't even drafted as a fwd.
 
Righteo said:
I'm responding to a comment that reckons we can pick up a JK/Hawkins type of fwd in the draft. Maybe we can, but it's something we've done once ever and the bloke wasn't even drafted as a fwd.
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Ya I see what you are saying, but there is about 3-4 of those types every decade. It’s unlikely we get ourselves in a position to draft them. It’s no ones fault that we won’t get a look at Thilthorpe or McDonald this year either. our performances were too good this year. You can still draft some very good players from 10-20 in the draft though.
ironically we could have got one in 2018 with Ben King but gave up the pick for Hogan 😥
 
Righteo said:
History is against us. We've picked 1 great KPF in 25 years.
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our trading record isnt much better.

our draft strategy from the mid 2000's until about 3 years ago for picking "the best available player" instead of picking what we needed screwed us over picking players like Pitt , Sherrardin and Simpson.


Will come back to Hogan if we didn't trade for him we'd have Ben King
 
Johnny Dalmas said:
This is the flip side of taking the mega-contract.
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Collingwood asked him to take a paycut and restructure his contract to help with the salary cap, he wants to stay and they are now telling him he isn’t worth the money that they stole off him. It’s pretty wrong and if I was an agent I wouldn’t be happy with how they’ve played it
 

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Johnny Dalmas said:
You don’t really believe that excuse do you?
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I don't think there would be any issue with her being employed by Collingwood. I expect that after Treloar did the team thing and pushed all his money back that the Pies forgot about it and now after signing particularly Grundy are doing the usual football thing of looking at things removed of all context and asking "is Adam really worth the same as Brodie?" when they see them being paid nearly the same in a year or so.
 
Righteo said:
History is against us. We've picked 1 great KPF in 25 years.
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Not disputing the difficulty in finding them but I reckon we suffer a bit of circular logic there. Compared to other teams we regularly don't use early picks on tall forwards; think about when was the last time we used (not traded) a top 10 pick on a key position forward - I presume the answer to this question is Graham Polak in 2001?
 
Ysaye said:
Not disputing the difficulty in finding them but I reckon we suffer a bit of circular logic there. Compared to other teams we regularly don't use early picks on tall forwards; think about when was the last time we used (not traded) a top 10 pick on a key position forward - I presume the answer to this question is Graham Polak in 2001?
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Justin Longmuir was a high draft pick but injuries got him.
 
eastfreo75 said:
Justin Longmuir was a high draft pick but injuries got him.
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Longmuir was pick 2 in 1998. My point being it is almost 20 years since we picked a tall with a Top 10 pick.
 
I think a handful of front of mind draft fails on talls has resulted in people thinking most talls drafted end up failures.

For instance Schache in 2015... but forgetting Weitering, Weiderman, Curnow, Himmelberg, and the McKays were all taken in that same draft.

Fogarty and Brander have been a bit underwhelming from the 2017 draft so far but Naughton, Allen, Balta and Taylor were all from that draft also.

I think there is more than enough evidence to suggest you have a much better chance of a tall succeeding than not by drafting a tall with a first round pick. And if you are using a mid to late first rounder you can often find some exceptional value.

I think what we've also seen is most guys you draft in this range debut in their first year. We shouldn't assume we'll have to wait years before they can impact at all.
 
eastfreo75 said:
Sometimes it’s luck.

Picking a tall in the top 10 is very risky business ie Patton, Boyd

Also, you have the picks you have. Rather not reach ever.
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Picking anyone with a Top 10 pick has risk attached to it; If you want to poo poo those players, there are likewise plenty of smalls that don't seem worth their pick as well. The problem is, the probability of getting someone who will make the grade is higher than taking someone with a lower pick - concentrating on the early failures is poor risk psychology.
 
Ysaye said:
Picking anyone with a Top 10 pick has risk attached to it; If you want to poo poo those players, there are likewise plenty of smalls that don't seem worth their pick as well. The problem is, the probability of getting someone who will make the grade is higher than taking someone with a lower pick - concentrating on the early failures is poor risk psychology.
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Talls have higher risks than smalls, that’s reality not poor risk management.

If you can give an example where Fremantle didn’t choose a forward tall in the top 10 except Naughton.
 
theGav56 said:
Also, Kennedy was traded in as are many of the KPF out there.
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He was traded for Chris Judd.

Would’ve been convenient if Brisbane had a young key forward from WA who happened to be a top four pick on their list when they traded Lachie Neale.

Freo isn’t that lucky,
 
Docker82 said:
He was traded for Chris Judd.

Would’ve been convenient if Brisbane had a young key forward from WA who happened to be a top four pick on their list when they traded Lachie Neale.

Freo isn’t that lucky,
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I am not sure luck has anything to do with it. We are just not that good.

We make ill informed decisions again and again, then blame luck.
 
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