List Mgmt. 2020 List Management, Free Agency & Trade thread

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List Mgmt. - 2020 List Management, Free Agency & Trade thread - Part 2

This Part 2 Continued from Part 1: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2020-list-management-free-agency-trade-thread.1241035/ What type of players does our list need? Pace, Skill, Class and and goal threat. A winger, forward flank and forward pocket are the 3 positions that we need, plus...

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[mayne iac]

No no NOOOOOOO

 

[mayne iac]

DGB please

 

[Scham]

JL already thinks we have lots/too many mids. Can't see him wanting us to stock up on more.

Unless he knows of a few that won’t be at the club next year, either by way of delisting or trade.

We could quite conceivably not have North, Crowden, Giro and Blakely on our list next year.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I might be against the grain here, but I’d be quite ok trading a pick between 5-10 for Matt Crouch. There’s nothing to suggest he won’t return to most damaging with a better environment to what Adelaide has become.

having a mid who will chalk up 25+ every week would be really nice.
lets us keep Walters deep where he’s most dangerous with stints on ball.

if not Matt, grabbing Brad as a FA would be better. Keep our pick then.

I reckon if you went to Adelaide with pick 5-10 for M. Crouch they would bite your hand off.

 

[theGav56]

So we'd give up O'Driscoll or Trew for crouch? A shot at DGB? Probably means put a line through Blakeley and Valente too.

Pick 5-10 would be a big pass for me.

 

[Wally Walpamur]

The two biggest reasons to not trade for Matt Crouch is the likely first or second round draft pick to trade for him and then the game time he’ll be taking away from either Brayshaw, Cerra, Serong, Valente, Tucker.

It’s a big no from me.

 

[Freoforever86]

I reckon if you went to Adelaide with pick 5-10 for M. Crouch they would bite your hand off.

wasn’t suggesting that would get it done obv, but I wouldn’t be that against it. he would be worth a pick around 7-12. Top 5 pick would be a big no no.

The two biggest reasons to not trade for Matt Crouch is the likely first or second round draft pick to trade for him and then the game time he’ll be taking away from either Brayshaw, Cerra, Serong, Valente, Tucker.

It’s a big no from me.

Wouldn’t take mid time away from Brayshaw Cerra or Tucker.
Serong he would, tho I think he’d stay in the 22
Valente has to crack the 22 first. He May or may not make it.

 

[Dockeroo]

The latest phantom draft from eDPS has 4 West Australians in the top 10. DGB, O’Driscoll, Trew and Logan McDonald. If that’s how it plays out on draft night we’d be crazy to trade out a top 5 or top 10 pick for matt crouch. Id rather the port Adelaide approach from 2018. They realised there was elite SA talent in that draft and traded aggressively up to pick 5 to take Rozee, and then got Butters at 12 (word was we were big on him ourselves too actually) and Duursma at 18. The point is they got one of the 3 elite SA prospects via aggressive upgrading of their picks and it worked.
there’s actually a strong argument we should take a punt on using our 2021 firstrounder this year to get a second WA top 10 talent in addition to our 2020 pick, if indeed these 4 are at that elite level.
Having top WA picks is good for our medium term salary cap issues which will happen in 3 or 4 years if all out youngsters hit their peaks.
Brandon Walker seems to be landing in the 20s or 30s as a bid. Western should be available with a late or rookie pick.
If we nail this draft we are setting up for sustained success for the next decade.

 

[Wally Walpamur]

Wouldn’t take mid time away from Brayshaw Cerra or Tucker.
Serong he would, tho I think he’d stay in the 22
Valente has to crack the 22 first. He May or may not make it.

But the only position Matt Crouch can play is on the ball, so he’s definitely taking time away from one of Brayshaw, Cerra or Tucker. On top of that he’s costing a first or second round draft pick, a pick that could be used for a position of need, like a winger with pace and skill or a midfielder with more versatility than just being an inside mid.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

But the only position Matt Crouch can play is on the ball, so he’s definitely taking time away from one of Brayshaw, Cerra or Tucker. On top of that he’s costing a first or second round draft pick, a pick that could be used for a position of need, like a winger with pace and skill or a midfielder with more versatility than just being an inside mid.

On top of that, he just doesnt work with our first choice next gen. Brayshaw has a bit of speed but none of Cerra, Tucker or Serong are rapid, adding an even slower mid with no burst, skills or hurt factor is just completely meh.

 

[Freoforever86]

But the only position Matt Crouch can play is on the ball, so he’s definitely taking time away from one of Brayshaw, Cerra or Tucker. On top of that he’s costing a first or second round draft pick, a pick that could be used for a position of need, like a winger with pace and skill or a midfielder with more versatility than just being an inside mid.

3 players that are also under the pump
On this board for either not doing enough or possibly not being good enough. I think all 3 will be solid players, but Matt at his best is an A grader.

Crouch atm is an upgrade on all 3 as a ball winning inside mid. He gives Freo more luxury to send Fyfe forward too. They might all go past him in the future, they might not, but we could do worse than adding him if he wanted in.

Hypothetical anyways. Doubt he’d want to come to Perth regardless.

and I’m just as happy taking another top 10 pick to the draft just quietly

 

[Wally Walpamur]

3 players that are also under the pump
On this board for either not doing enough or possibly not being good enough. I think all 3 will be solid players, but Matt at his best is an A grader.

Crouch atm is an upgrade on all 3 as a ball winning inside mid. He gives Freo more luxury to send Fyfe forward too. They might all go past him in the future, they might not, but we could do worse than adding him if he wanted in.

Hypothetical anyways. Doubt he’d want to come to Perth regardless.

and I’m just as happy taking another top 10 pick to the draft just quietly

I disagree those three are under the pump. Andy has just been voted by the coaches as being best player on the field the last two games. Both he and Cerra have just started their third year and this is Tucker’s fifth season. This is Matt Crouch’s eighth AFL season and IMO hasn’t shown anything the other three can’t produce. AB can get the ball just as much but offers more defensively through his run and chase, Cerra has cleaner disposal and Tucker is showing how damaging he can be, covering ground gut running to get on the end to kick some crucial goals. Also has better disposal than Matt Crouch.

 

[Purple dynamite]

Are the Crouch brothers part of the Colin Young stable?

 

[james brayshaw]

We're assuming all our mids will be staying with us beyond this year. Given the amount of quality players that have left in the last few years it wouldn't be a bad idea for us to be looking for ready made replacements.

 

[Freoforever86]

I disagree those three are under the pump. Andy has just been voted by the coaches as being best player on the field the last two games. Both he and Cerra have just started their third year and this is Tucker’s fifth season. This is Matt Crouch’s eighth AFL season and IMO hasn’t shown anything the other three can’t produce. AB can get the ball just as much but offers more defensively through his run and chase, Cerra has cleaner disposal and Tucker is showing how damaging he can be, covering ground gut running to get on the end to kick some crucial goals. Also has better disposal than Matt Crouch.

he’s in his 7th season. Was all Australian in his 4th year.

Our 3 were definitely under the Pump before the Adelaide game, and rightly so. All 3 were not pulling weight.
now all 3 have found some form.

i disagree that Matt hasn’t shown anything the others can’t produce. I can’t see any of those guys stringing together multiple 30+ games like Crouch did when he was in His AA year. No reason that couldn’t return.

in no way am I saying that we replace Tucker Cerra or Brayshaw. I’m saying if possible, add some extra quality around them and to support Fyfe and Walters more. Remember it’s likely Mundy retires soon too.

Anyways, see how it plays out. Very unlikely as I said

 

[Ge3ks]

This whole Covid-19 pandemic might be creating more 'go home' feelings among interstate players. I'd swap Cerra for Cripps on humanitarian grounds.

 

[Puregold]

The players I would give up our first for do not include a crouch.

2x firsts for Cripps or
Our 2020 first for maybe Sam Taylor but with something significant coming back.

If we want an accumulator I would rather fiorini from the suns

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

he’s in his 7th season. Was all Australian in his 4th year.

Our 3 were definitely under the Pump before the Adelaide game, and rightly so. All 3 were not pulling weight.
now all 3 have found some form.

i disagree that Matt hasn’t shown anything the others can’t produce. I can’t see any of those guys stringing together multiple 30+ games like Crouch did when he was in His AA year. No reason that couldn’t return.

in no way am I saying that we replace Tucker Cerra or Brayshaw. I’m saying if possible, add some extra quality around them and to support Fyfe and Walters more. Remember it’s likely Mundy retires soon too.

Anyways, see how it plays out. Very unlikely as I said

Honestly, completely forgot he was AA, but at the end of this year, he will have been a fair way from that form for the last few years and been dropped from the bottom side this year, you wouldnt want to use a top 10ish pick on what he's been out putting the last couple of years.

Plenty of players have their best year before 25 and go backwards, he seems to be one of them

 

[Walkingwounded]

I would assume we are talking pick 2 in the third round?
Otherwise it’s a hideous thought.

Pick 2 in the Rookie draft!

 

[Wally Walpamur]

The only player I’m trading a top 5 draft pick for is Dyson Heppell.

Get it done, Belly.

 

[Roy Chook]

I don't think Belly will give up a round 1 pick for Matt Crouch. We need to trust that Belly will make the deal favourable for us if there was a trade with the Crows.

 

[tonygeeks]

You guys are reading it all wrong , the Crows will give us pick 2 to take Matt Crouch in one of those NBA salary dump type deals

I think it's a great idea


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[more_of_bito]

Just saw this on reddit so thought I’d share it here

Not shooting the messenger but can you ask the guy what “the shuffle of picks” being?

I read it as crows would give us pick 1 and crouch for our first and 2nd round pick ?

 

[Taylor]

I'd expect us to chase an experience/mature midfielder if we lose one of our Brayshaw/Cerra/Tucker.

 

[Superkoops]

JL already thinks we have lots/too many mids. Can't see him wanting us to stock up on more. I accept that either Crouch is better than most of ours but I feel like we could use the draft/trade currency to target other areas of the field.

This alone is the reason this Crouch stuff is BS. Heard JL say about 5 times.

I know a number here think we have plenty of KPD but you can see what happened on the weekend and there are genuine concerns for Hamling/Pearce. Sam Taylor from the Giants - he is the one we are interested in. Also Brennan Cox is out of contract. He will likely re-sign and is a legit swingman but imagine if he comes to Bell and goes sorry mate it is time for me to head home. We then have a recuperating Hamling and Pearce who is very injury prone.

Forget the Crouch brothers. Our first and second picks for Sam Taylor and GWS First and second picks in return.

A back up ruckman if Meeks isn’t up to is also a list need along with Wing speed depth. Joel Western provides small forward speed and Walker HBF.