List Mgmt. 2020 List Management II

[BluStreak]

We have been so starved of success that we hang on to inconsistent players with potential rather than moving them on and bringing in players who are known for consistent quality not necessarily x factor.
Cuningham , Marchbank, Macreadie and McGovern are good examples of players with potential who shows something but never deliver consistently.
Sure you could apologise for by using injury and there is some validity in that and I am not saying that they may be busts but we are hanging on to them in the hope they come good. Where is the evidence that is going to happen.

 

[Team DJ]

List is at 40 at the moment.
Let's say we take two in the draft (3rd being gibbons) plus 3 via trade and free agency.
If lists are at 42 we'll still need to move on 3 more.
Polson Moore and 1 via trade (kennedy?)

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Which of our small forwards or mids hav kicked 15 goals and contributed to 15 goal assists in their first year of afl football? Really think he is the missing piece of the jigsaw puzzle. We don't need any more big bodied inside mids just finishers. We finished 5th for total clearances this season.

I don’t know why you bring up big body mids when talking about small forwards/half forwards.
yeh he had a very good first year, he also probably had more touches in that year then most of our young mids, doesn’t make him a midfielder.
Atm he has kicked 29 goals from 43 games playing HF, he would have more influence then most of the players we play off HF and if that’s what we are looking for fair enough. As I said I do like him and would be happy if we got him but I don’t think he is going to be the guy who changes the dynamic down there, more just force someone like Fisher to play deeper which imo takes away from his game or Higgins will play deeper which I think takes away from his game.
In saying that, with Papley gone there is no real perfect fit and he would be as good as any

 

[Sheephead]

We have been so starved of success that we hang on to inconsistent players with potential rather than moving them on and bringing in players who are known for consistent quality not necessarily x factor.
Cuningham , Marchbank, Macreadie and McGovern are good examples of players with potential who shows something but never deliver consistently.
Sure you could apologise for by using injury and there is some validity in that and I am not saying that they may be busts but we are hanging on to them in the hope they come good. Where is the evidence that is going to happen.

Cuningham is coming on and is a good wing option. Marchbank is an elite talent that just can’t get on the park. Macreadie is a bit meat and potatoes for me, but we need the depth. McGovern has talent and our success stats are up when he plays, he’s just a type people don’t like. I’d seriously entertain a trade for McGover, but it wouldn’t be for cents in the dollar. Maybe even for Polec and work out the difference somehow.
But Polson and Moore should already be gone. Polson has had enough chances. Cottrell and Honey and Owies as a Cat B have shown enough to be the fringe keepers.

IF we get Saad and Williams, that alone is an incredible offseason. We would also still like a small forward too obviously. Just watching the top sides, Geelong not so much, but indigenous talent is frightening for opposition backlines. Eddie himself is a true testament. Jarrod Pickett if he had remained fit and healthy would have been the custodian down there. Richmond and West Coast have been very dangerous for a few years now, largely for their indigenous culture, and Brisbane and others are turning it up now too.

Just an opinion but -
Trade 7 for 2 1st rounders (Teams said to have approached us as much as us them)
Give one to * for Saad (yes he’s worth it)
Give the other to Richmond for Stack and a 2nd or 3rd. (Eddie has been keeping tabs on him since the Stripper club issue and the kid can seriously play)
Upgrade our 2nd and the Richmond pick (or live trade) to recruit a speculative kid that falls. (Appears we have no targets though) Upgrade Gibbons and Cottrell.
Retain our 2021 1st. (hopefully pick 12-18)

...and my bargain bin throw out trade, go after Jaidyn Stephenson. Young kid who needs to mature into that elite football brain he has. We could use his talent forward.

 

[DirkDiggler]

Cuners was a mid in his junior days and we have trialled him at HB.

Just doesn't read when to go, prop or peel

Ideally he can relieve E Curnow of his tagging duties but Cuningham also needs to develop in other positions or he il be spending lots of time on the pine. Yes he has played down back but i would give him another shot.

I don’t know why you bring up big body mids when talking about small forwards/half forwards.
yeh he had a very good first year, he also probably had more touches in that year then most of our young mids, doesn’t make him a midfielder.
Atm he has kicked 29 goals from 43 games playing HF, he would have more influence then most of the players we play off HF and if that’s what we are looking for fair enough. As I said I do like him and would be happy if we got him but I don’t think he is going to be the guy who changes the dynamic down there, more just force someone like Fisher to play deeper which imo takes away from his game or Higgins will play deeper which I think takes away from his game.
In saying that, with Papley gone there is no real perfect fit and he would be as good as any

I mentioned big bodied mids because posters here think they are a priority. We are fine in that department.

Need to create competition for spots rather than pray fisher fits the small forward role. Higgins defensive work is also outstanding.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Assuming Williams and Saad proceed, looking to what's next...are we limited by salary cap in terms of who we chase?
Or do we have room for a big fish?

 

[Brutalitops]

Assuming Williams and Saad proceed, looking to what's next...are we limited by salary cap in terms of who we chase?
Or do we have room for a big fish?

I would think that even with our underspend we would be limited, hinging of course on the Saad offer. I think Viney would be the highest profile we could reasonably go after.

Jeremias has a better understanding of it though, maybe he could offer some insight?

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Assuming Williams and Saad proceed, looking to what's next...are we limited by salary cap in terms of who we chase?
Or do we have room for a big fish?

I think we definitely have room. We've let go of Simmo and Kreuze, Martin's first year is done, so is McGovern's first 2 seasons (I imagine we would've front loaded his as well). We have to pay 105% of the cap too iinm, so the cap space is there imo.

 

[gab213]

There is no way we'd be under salary cap pressure, if we are there's been a monumental stuff up somewhere along the line. There should be plenty of room.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

I guess if we are trading as opposed to FA at least we have options to front load or, at worst, take on an existing contract.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

There is no way we'd be under salary cap pressure, if we are there's been a monumental stuff up somewhere along the line. There should be plenty of room.

There cannot be that much room if Cripps and McKay are pending confirmation of new cap and list limits. Although there presumably is a budget for possible acquisitions. Perhaps those guys are actually on hold pending Top Secret action

 

[gab213]

There cannot be that much room if Cripps and McKay are pending confirmation of new cap and list limits.

I think there'd be plenty under the old terms but makes sense to see where the limits and list sizes are re-adjusted to if at all. That may change the front end loading of contracts etc. Of course, they'd wait for that for the biggest re-signings.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

I think there'd be plenty under the old terms but makes sense to see where the limits and list sizes are re-adjusted to if at all. That may change the front end loading of contracts etc. Of course, they'd wait for that for the biggest re-signings.

So we're really only limited by draft picks?

 

[Brutalitops]

There cannot be that much room if Cripps and McKay are pending confirmation of new cap and list limits. Although there presumably is a budget for possible acquisitions. Perhaps those guys are actually on hold pending Top Secret action

Cripps and McKay are contracted until the end of 2021 and im unless im mistaken (which is a strong possibility i admit) that means their new deals dont commence until 2022.

 

[gab213]

So we're really only limited by draft picks?

Possibly. I'm sure they'd work things to enable them to get who they wanted across the line. I think the biggest question is who is REALLY on the table that fills specific need. A lot of water to go under the bridge yet.

 

[BluStreak]

Cuningham is coming on and is a good wing option. Marchbank is an elite talent that just can’t get on the park. Macreadie is a bit meat and potatoes for me, but we need the depth. McGovern has talent and our success stats are up when he plays, he’s just a type people don’t like. I’d seriously entertain a trade for McGover, but it wouldn’t be for cents in the dollar. Maybe even for Polec and work out the difference somehow.
But Polson and Moore should already be gone. Polson has had enough chances. Cottrell and Honey and Owies as a Cat B have shown enough to be the fringe keepers.

I would say that Cuningham has had more chances than Polson.
Polson is showing some (and i repeat some) good signs as a small defender.
A position we do not have sufficient coverage in and that is the only reason i would persist with him.
Cuningham is a midfielder and we have better options on the wing in williamson, walsh, fisher and potentially Williams.
Another poster ( while back) mentioned that Moore could be utilised in the midfield, an out of the box thought, but one that would utilise his attributes better than any other position on the field. I am not advocating this but it is interesting. Would I keep Moore over Cuningham? Right now I would explore that.

 

[Jeremias]

Assuming Williams and Saad proceed, looking to what's next...are we limited by salary cap in terms of who we chase?
Or do we have room for a big fish?

I would think that even with our underspend we would be limited, hinging of course on the Saad offer. I think Viney would be the highest profile we could reasonably go after.

Jeremias has a better understanding of it though, maybe he could offer some insight?

Let's look at things logically.

Last year we reportedly had more than enough for all three of Coniglio, Papley, Martin. We landed one of them and heavily front-loaded his contract.

We've since re-signed a heap of players with only one - Weitering - on big money. The rest would only be on modest salaries.

We've also lost Simpson and Kreuzer. Neither would have been on huge coin but it all adds up and that provides further relief.

Now of course there will be rolling adjustments made year on year with front and back loading etc. but I'm pretty confident salary cap isn't close to being an issue even with the additions of Williams and Saad, if we get them.

 

[TENACIOUS]

If we end up trading pick 7.

Would like us to take a chance with our late picks at the draft on

• Walsh (Young Ruck)
• Papley (Forward/Mid)

 

[Sheephead]

If we end up trading pick 7.

Would like us to take a chance with our late picks at the draft on

• Walsh (Young Ruck)
• Papley (Forward/Mid)

If you want Tom Papley, seriously, draft Will Papley. The Papley family is very close. I could see Tom saying, I like Carlton, even more now, I wanna go home.

 

[BlueAbroad]

 

[CashCow3053]

This is what I'm doing if I was LM (in a perfect world)

• Splitting pick 7 for two late first rounders
• First rounder for Saad + 3rd round pick
• First rounder for Wines
• Trading Mcgovern for a 3rd round pick (salary cap dump)
• Trading JSOS for a 3rd round pick
• Trading Kennedy for a 3rd round pick
• Two 3rd round picks for Stack and J.Higgins

INS

• Wines
• Stack (Eddie Betts / Zac Williams project)
• J.Higgins
• Saad
• Williams (free-agent)
• 3rd round pick

OUTS

• Pick 7
• McGovern (a heap of dead money)
• JSOS
• Kennedy

 

[Brutalitops]

This is what I'm doing if I was LM (in a perfect world)

• Splitting pick 7 for two late first rounders
• First rounder for Saad + 3rd round pick
• First rounder for Wines
• Trading Mcgovern for a 3rd round pick (salary cap dump)
• Trading JSOS for a 3rd round pick
• Trading Kennedy for a 3rd round pick
• Two 3rd round picks for Stack and J.Higgins

INS

• Wines
• Stack (Eddie Betts / Zac Williams project)
• J.Higgins
• Saad
• Williams (free-agent)
• 3rd round pick

OUTS

• Pick 7
• McGovern (a heap of dead money)
• JSOS
• Kennedy

And what, pray tell, do we do with 6 additional 3rd round picks?

 

[Eiffel 65]

Pommy did a better job selling me on Bruhn than Saad. LOL.

You've made him out to be the player we desperately need too

Great work on the video guys. Really appreciate it. I reckon we've had a good trade period if we can get half of those types of trades done.

Even if we only land Williams, the trade period is still a success in my eyes as we have effectively acquired A-Grade talent for nothing but salary.

 

[Arr0w]

This is what I'm doing if I was LM (in a perfect world)

• Splitting pick 7 for two late first rounders
• First rounder for Saad + 3rd round pick
• First rounder for Wines
• Trading Mcgovern for a 3rd round pick (salary cap dump)
• Trading JSOS for a 3rd round pick
• Trading Kennedy for a 3rd round pick
• Two 3rd round picks for Stack and J.Higgins

INS

• Wines
• Stack (Eddie Betts / Zac Williams project)
• J.Higgins
• Saad
• Williams (free-agent)
• 3rd round pick

OUTS

• Pick 7
• McGovern (a heap of dead money)
• JSOS
• Kennedy

3rd rounders for Higgins and Stack?

 

[CJMB]

And what, pray tell, do we do with 6 additional 3rd round picks?

...and why would Richmond take a measly 3rd rounder for Higgins? They’d ask for more than that for Stack, unless they go out and announce that he won’t be at the club next year so must be traded.

Also, we’re not moving Gov on, especially not for a 3rd.