List Mgmt. 2020 List Management II

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Wonder if we'll revisit Lukas Webb or Ryan Sturgess for rookie spots?
 
HARKER said:
As things stand, Carlton has moved on the most players having not attracted any currency, along with Essendon & North Melbourne, with a total of 11 players.
We keep telling ourselves we have depth......but keep shuffling out players in large numbers. Maybe this year :)

Still a little disappointed in losing Macreadie and Phillips though.
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Harks.......is there any chance Austin uses one of our draft picks to grab Macreadie again, and is it just a list maneuvering thing that we are doing before the draft.....?!!
 

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SurreyBlue said:
So you don’t agree with me and therefore my thoughts on these 2 players capabilities are outlandish?
We’ll see. Just remember your statements!
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I rate Macreadie, but Levi and Marchbank would be picked ahead of him right now for that role, which says a lot. I hope we rookie him.

Ed is our second best inside mid, followed by Setterfield. But we also had Dow, JSOS, Stocker and Kemp out of the side almost the entire season.

In terms of our current list, you've got Cuningham, Charlie, Fogarty and Philp who will also get involved in stoppage setups, with a host of more outside players who either have experience as balanced mids, or are prepared to burrow in and be physical at the contest when called upon.

Kennedy is all set to tumble down the depth chart (something he was pretty much set for in 2020, but circumstances turned out different), and I'm hoping someone takes him off our hands so we can refresh our list a little more.

Wickzki said:
If the club had the intention of re-listing Macreadie surely we'd make a similar statement about him as we did Kennedy.

Just my 2c.
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Totally agree, think it'll come through Kennedy getting snatched up in the DFA period, if anything.
 
HARKER said:
96 players in 8 years = Ave. 12 per year.
That's over two whole playing lists in 8 years.....Not bad.

Macreadie, like Giles could have been a player but that's two KPD's I had high hopes for, losing their careers for injury.

Phillips was a high risk/high reward project player, but right now, we have little time for projects. That's fair enough.
We have to have a competitive VFL side as well as a quality AFL side next year. It just works better that way an which is why I think we'll be acquiring some senior players for both squads.
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If you look over the playing list they could easily cut another 10 next year...

Unfortunately it's a big year for some of the kids to show what they couldn't
this year and others that have had a chance but haven't yet taken it...

Feels good to be in this position again, with pressure on the 22 to preform and pressure for spots from below...
 
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TENACIOUS said:
If you look over the playing list they could easily cut another 10 next year...

Unfortunately it's a big year for some of the kids to show what they couldn't
this year and others that have had a chance but haven't yet taken it...
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That would make for a big problem. It won't come about because even after change of coach and List manager, some stability has to come about.
Even at this early stage, it's the first time in many years that I feel confident, we won't clear ten+ players off the list with nothing coming back.
We won't even clear ten players, as we don't have the capacity to do so.

It's a big year for the 'kids' as you say...but a bigger year for our development resources to now make good of the stock we have. No excuses
 
Retired - Simpson, Kreuzer
Delisted - Lang, BSOS, Finbar, Polson, Macreadie, Kennedy
Rookie Delisted - Goddard, Moore, Phillips
Rookie promotion - Gibbons
Trades - Williams, Saad, Fogarty

So 31 Senior List continuing
1 rookie upgrade (Gibbons)
3 trades (Williams, Saad, Fogarty)
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And rookies we have Honey, Cottrell and Cat B Owies and have committed to Kennedy if not otherwise picked up.
3 (+Kennedy)


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The minimum list size for each club will be 37, which can be made up by as little as 36 senior listed players and one rookie.

To reach 44, clubs can carry 36-38 senior listed players, four-to-six Category A rookies and two Category B rookies.




So we can select up to 3 in the ND (not including Gibbons elevation) and up to 3 Category A (or 2 + Kennedy) and 1 Category B.

I see us taking 2 in ND + Gibbons upgrade, and probably 1 Cat A rookie + Kennedy.
 
Sam Skinner or Jackson Trengrove as KPP depth.

Personally, I'd love to take Daniel Venables and hope he works through his concussion issues. Such a dynamic player in his draft year. I wanted us to take him at the time.
 
SurreyBlue said:
Kennedy is the best inside midfielder we have next to Cripps. Lose him and we are in deep water. Cripps will not have any rotational support again this year.
Setterfield is best starting midfield and is Crippa's side kick but he also needs to be rotated and supported. IMHO you need 2 with another off the bench. I would argue that maybe Stocker can be used but we all know what the coaching panel feel about this kid.

Macreade is the best developing KP defender we have and by the sounds of it, we have just got his body right. Makes no sense in delisting him. Except for Marchbank, who IMO is best 22, we have no others developing. We need at least 2 KP defenders developing. Delisting this kid is a huge mistake. Huge mistake both with quality and needs.

There are players on our list, who will add very little long terms compared to these 2. We have taken our eye off the ball long term. Will hurt.
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We still have Kennedy and Setters butchers Kennedy as an inside mid, so does Ed.

MacCreadie has had plenty of time. How long do you wait for the kid to get his body right? He might grow elsewhere but, that’s footy. Some need a change of environment or a kick in the pants from life. We will pick a FA to beef up the KPD role. Do worse than McDonald.
 
GapInIkonPark said:
Retired - Simpson, Kreuzer
Delisted - Lang, BSOS, Finbar, Polson, Macreadie, Kennedy
Rookie Delisted - Goddard, Moore, Phillips
Rookie promotion - Gibbons
Trades - Williams, Saad, Fogarty

So 31 Senior List continuing
1 rookie upgrade (Gibbons)
3 trades (Williams, Saad, Fogarty)
35

And rookies we have Honey, Cottrell and Cat B Owies and have committed to Kennedy if not otherwise picked up.
3 (+Kennedy)


www.afl.com.au

New AFL player pay deal reached, list sizes revealed

Players will be asked to take a pay cut of 3.5 per cent in 2021
www.afl.com.au www.afl.com.au

The minimum list size for each club will be 37, which can be made up by as little as 36 senior listed players and one rookie.

To reach 44, clubs can carry 36-38 senior listed players, four-to-six Category A rookies and two Category B rookies.




So we can select up to 3 in the ND (not including Gibbons elevation) and up to 3 Category A (or 2 + Kennedy) and 1 Category B.

I see us taking 2 in ND + Gibbons upgrade, and probably 1 Cat A rookie + Kennedy.
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Club has already committed to redrafting Kennedy as a rookie.
Need to promote My Man Cotters and put Charlie on the LTI.
 
Jimmae said:
To those who are suggesting Oscar McDonald: if that's the kind of player we're looking at, we would have been better off sticking with Macreadie.


I'm not confused, I just don't think Rowe was solid. He conceded so many goals through bad positioning and contested work.


Kennedy is not that, and Macreadie wasn't really that either. These are outlandish statements.
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McDonald has played more games, including finals. Older, bigger body and has runs on the board. This is an outlandish statement, J.
 
GapInIkonPark said:
Retired - Simpson, Kreuzer
Delisted - Lang, BSOS, Finbar, Polson, Macreadie, Kennedy
Rookie Delisted - Goddard, Moore, Phillips
Rookie promotion - Gibbons
Trades - Williams, Saad, Fogarty

So 31 Senior List continuing
1 rookie upgrade (Gibbons)
3 trades (Williams, Saad, Fogarty)
35

And rookies we have Honey, Cottrell and Cat B Owies and have committed to Kennedy if not otherwise picked up.
3 (+Kennedy)


www.afl.com.au

New AFL player pay deal reached, list sizes revealed

Players will be asked to take a pay cut of 3.5 per cent in 2021
www.afl.com.au www.afl.com.au

The minimum list size for each club will be 37, which can be made up by as little as 36 senior listed players and one rookie.

To reach 44, clubs can carry 36-38 senior listed players, four-to-six Category A rookies and two Category B rookies.




So we can select up to 3 in the ND (not including Gibbons elevation) and up to 3 Category A (or 2 + Kennedy) and 1 Category B.

I see us taking 2 in ND + Gibbons upgrade, and probably 1 Cat A rookie + Kennedy.
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You’ve read it wrong.
You can’t have 38 senior and 6 rookies. You can have splits 36/6, 37/5, 38/4 + 2 Cat B for a maximum of 44 players.

Assuming we do rookie Kennedy, we will have a total of 4 list spots (1-3 senior) and a Cat B spot available.
 

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La Dispute said:
Ultimate swiss army knife - plays ruck and key defender competently, but has never been above B-grade. Not the worst option given where our list sits.

Suckling also pretty unlucky to be delisted. Surely he gets a go somewhere else?
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Not sure trengrove ever made it to b grade status and is a long way off that now.
And he might be better than suckling.
 
BigFrizz36 said:
Not sure trengrove ever made it to b grade status and is a long way off that now.
And he might be better than suckling.
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Was always a really solid player at Port, and continued on in that vein at least initially at the Bulldogs, but ended up falling down the depth order. I still think he’d be a handy player.

Kind of weird thinking Suckling will potentially be off a list given his skill set. I’d be surprised if he wasn’t picked up by any team. Seems like the exact kind of player Gold Coast would target.
 
BigBreakfast said:
McDonald has played more games, including finals. Older, bigger body and has runs on the board. This is an outlandish statement, J.
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Sweeping your condescension aside, Melbourne have every need for a genuine key defender, and yet they dropped McDonald like a stone.

Doesn't play like a genuine key defender, and didn't have selection pressure for a long time until Melbourne had both May and Lever fit. McDonald's a guy who gets the spoil in, but will get ragdolled by genuine key forwards.

They're happier with Mitch Brown, Tom McDonald and Tomlison as their solution set.



Have a look at how he actually plays, and ask yourself: could a fully fit Macreadie do the same? The answer is yes, but we don't have access to his injury reports.

I just don't see the point, and am happy enough with Casboult, Marchbank, Kemp, McGovern and JSOS, with us looking to the draft given the range of talls on offer in the top 50.
 
JustaBattler said:
What do you think the coaches feel about Stocker? - this bloke is a total mystery to me...please expand ?

P.S whilst not a total waste of time and money like some players still on the books - Kennedy is pure depth now as far as the club is concerned - nothing more. His best attributes are on display when playing forward - because he can mark and kick a goal better than any other third tall in the side but with the hope that Charlie comes back and McGovern starts to earn some of his pay and Levi still playing and SOJ still there - Kennedy is depth at best in Club figurings. Kennedy may have had ambitions to become a FT mid when he arrived - that is what he was slated for - but injury and bad management of it have stuffed that...pity but that is life in AFL for a lot of players...

now give me the bad news on Stocker- apart from the weirdo deluxo fact that he left the team and went home and wasn't traded out...?
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Id love to know what is being talked re: Stocker. Thought hes just a talented kid building his fitness base. Have I missed something?
 
Oscar McDonald is a true shocker of an AFL player. Every coach has a coach's pet, and Oscar was that for Goody Goodstuff. Even so, he could only last so long.

I wish Oscar the best of luck for his future career at a more suitable lower level than the AFL.
 
Stamos said:
You’ve read it wrong.
You can’t have 38 senior and 6 rookies. You can have splits 36/6, 37/5, 38/4 + 2 Cat B for a maximum of 44 players.

Assuming we do rookie Kennedy, we will have a total of 4 list spots (1-3 senior) and a Cat B spot available.
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So you are saying if we have 38 on the a Senior List we can then only have a maximum of 4 Category A and 2 Category B rookies, but not 5 Category A and 1 Category B rookies?
If we take the 2 live selections in the ND (as I have already counted the Gibbons upgrade) then it is 37 on the Senior list and a maximum of 5 Category A and 2 Category B rookies, and not 6 and 1?

I think we will go with 37 on the Senior List, and 4 Category A and 1 Category B rookies. So 2 live selections in ND and 1 rookie + Kennedy. Might be the kick in the pants Kennedy needs if no one else takes him.
 
La Dispute said:
Was always a really solid player at Port, and continued on in that vein at least initially at the Bulldogs, but ended up falling down the depth order. I still think he’d be a handy player.

Kind of weird thinking Suckling will potentially be off a list given his skill set. I’d be surprised if he wasn’t picked up by any team. Seems like the exact kind of player Gold Coast would target.
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You do realise that suckling will be 33 next year? He's had a good career but its over.
 
HARKER said:
As things stand, Carlton has moved on the most players having not attracted any currency, along with Essendon & North Melbourne, with a total of 11 players.
We keep telling ourselves we have depth......but keep shuffling out players in large numbers. Maybe this year :)

Still a little disappointed in losing Macreadie and Phillips though.
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We gave up on Phillips far too quick in my opinion Harks.

The young guy has dedication & his head screwed on properly & is a genuine footballer but needs time.
 
TerryWallet said:
Oscar McDonald is a true shocker of an AFL player. Every coach has a coach's pet, and Oscar was that for Goody Goodstuff. Even so, he could only last so long.

I wish Oscar the best of luck for his future career at a more suitable lower level than the AFL.
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So you're saying he's still a chance?
 
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