2020 US Presidential Nominees

[Financialpanther]

Awkward for Harris.

It is awkward, very much like a devout principled christian defending his candidate for multiple sexual assault allegations. This contest between candidates has more in common with each other than it appears.

 

[Taylor]

Well, you could point that out if there was one. Firstly, I'd point out I linked evidence for the claim. Secondly, equating a small protest organised by a specific organisation at a time when such protests were still niche events with limited to national outreach, where the people who attended continued to act in the same way as advertised (the chants and torches for example), to national protests over an event that everyone agreed was deplorable and in many cases was sporadic ....... is pretty logically dubious.


No, it is ridiculous position to hold without evidence. If the defenders of the brumbies, or a small group protesting the redevelopment of a pub, or some environmentalists chain themselves to trees, or a group does a sit-in, we would not make that assumption. Where a protest is on a small, local scale with a very specific complaint, it is usually a specific group involved. Attendees are usually drawn from a tight nit group or organisations.

Where you start to see diverse coalitions forming is for the really big protests, which have a lot of large scale coverage before the actual protest, and are about an issue important to a broad group.

The rally was organised by white supremacist groups. On radio the rally organiser stated that "the number one thing is I want to destigmatize Pro-White advocacy", the posters advertising the rally didn't mention the statue and listed the speakers as all white supremacist talkers. But you want to argue that "maybe some others who didn't support this turned up". In that case, the onus is on you, and the president, to show that that is reasonable.

The evidence is exactly the same as the evidence used to not label everyone at the BLM riots as left wing domestic terrorists.

You do understand that "Black Lives Matter" doesn't mean white lives don't matter, right? Just like pro-white advocacy doesn't mean white supremacy.

This is the entire point of why some people feel the need to say it's okay to be white, because there is a significant movement against it.

 

[Balls In]

Point is we all knew Trump's VP would be a white man,

Do you honestly think Trump would have excluded a black woman if he thought she was the best VP option? I don't. That's the difference here. The dems stated terms of reference excluded 93% of Americans

 

[Financialpanther]

Do you honestly think Trump would have excluded a black woman if he thought she was the best VP option?

Yes

 

[Taylor]

But on the list of potential VPs there were such "black" women as Elizabeth Warren?

Perhaps it's not so much pandering as it is recognising that different demographics deserve representation in office so as to reflect the demographics of the country? But that couldn't be it could it?

All your lot cry and scream about pandering and identity politics whenever a minority is selected as if there's a situation where you would accept it. These women were highly qualified candidates and all more than capable of holding the position.

Amy Klobuchar was more popular than Harris and seemingly a better politician.

But she didn't have the extra spice of Warren's native American claims of heritage or the skin colour of Harris.

Racism swinging back the other way doesn't make it ok, it sends the problem down the line.

 

[Taylor]

People shouldn't be pulled into Taylor's claims about Harris being a sexist appointment. It's just another one in the raft of baseless accusations that right wingers are currently throwing trying to get something to stick.

The VP selection always has three criteria, (1) do no harm, (2) improve the nominee's chances and (3) have the right credentials. The third is often the least important, just look at Palin's selection. Criteria (1) and (2) are used to narrow the pool, and frequently reduce the candidates to specific groups. This might be a woman, a man, a set of particular states, a religion, etc.

In this case it's been rumoured since before the SC primary that Biden had done a deal with Clyburn for his running mate to be African American for his endorsement. Choosing a black woman strengthens Biden's position with a large segment of his base who will be more enthused by the candidacy. This isn't a sexist or racist decision, it is cold hard politics. Solidifying his base and increasing their enthusiasm.

Taylor suggesting otherwise is just mud wracking. You didn't hear Republicans criticise Hillary for choosing Kaine, despite everyone knowing she was going to choose a man.

That you're so worried about people seeing through the Democrat pandering is very telling.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

Yes

Your bias is showing

 

[Financialpanther]

Your bias is showing

Et tu

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

Et tu

How so

 

[Financialpanther]

How so

Probably for the same reason you think my bias is showing.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

Probably for the same reason you think my bias is showing.

Trump has employed, women and minorities all his life, so there's evidence he would do so. It makes it awfully strange that you would have the opinion that you do

 

[Financialpanther]

Trump has employed, women and minorities all his life, so there's evidence he would do so. It makes it awfully strange that you would have the opinion that you do

Not really that strange is it to believe something that doesn't match up with your opinion.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

Not really that strange is it to believe something that doesn't match up with your opinion.

It is when it goes against facts

 

[Taylor]

Trump has employed, women and minorities all his life, so there's evidence he would do so. It makes it awfully strange that you would have the opinion that you do

It's easier to think everything racist Biden does isn't racist and everything Trump didn't do was racist.

 

[SM]

Racial profiling such as? I never said people can't get offended by it, just saying it's not actually racist

Damn, I guess we should remember in future to consult with you on what is and isn't actually racist.

 

[Financialpanther]

It is when it goes against facts

Facts - how many Veeps has he appointed?

Remember this question is whether Trump would appoint a black Veep - evidence of appointing people in the private sector shouldn't be the key contributing factor you think it is.

 

[bourbons]

I think we can agree that outcome doesn't determine what your motives were going in, but when you specifically narrow it down at the start then your motives are clear.

It's sexist and racist and the Democratic party are playing their supporters for fools expecting them to not see through this sort of token selection.

At what point would you say the motive becomes clear? Is it when your pool of potential VPs are all white guys?

You want to hang Biden for being explicit, while cutting Trump slack for not. I just don't see that distinction as worthy of your current level of hysteria about it.

Just look at the women who did better than Harris at the most recent polls, discounted because they were white.

Cruz and Rubio did better than Pence. Discounted coz Cuban background?

This is not the outrage you're looking for.

 

[SM]

Amy Klobuchar was more popular than Harris and seemingly a better politician.

But she didn't have the extra spice of Warren's native American claims of heritage or the skin colour of Harris.

Racism swinging back the other way doesn't make it ok, it sends the problem down the line.

As has been pointed out to you time and again but you're steadfastly refusing to listen, the point of a VP selection is to broaden the appeal of the ticket and to diversify from the lead on the ticket. All the selections already met the criteria of being qualified so the politics then becomes about the other factors. There's nothing racist or sexist in it, or do you forget that the Democratic establishment worked hard to have a white man at the head of the ticket?

 

[bourbons]

Their policy on reducing policing has that effect, as we have seen post riots in Ferguson. Primary victims of that violence? Black people.

lol, not quite the same as your first take, is it

 

[Balls In]

the point of a VP selection is to broaden the appeal of the ticket and to diversify from the lead on the ticket.

WTF?

 

[SM]

WTF?

You reckon Sarah Palin was picked to run on the ticket because of her deep foreign policy accumen?

 

[Gough]

Amy Klobuchar was more popular than Harris and seemingly a better politician.

But she didn't have the extra spice of Warren's native American claims of heritage or the skin colour of Harris.

Racism swinging back the other way doesn't make it ok, it sends the problem down the line.

Pence is on the Trump ticket to sure up the Evangelical vote. As SM has said, it's about broadening your platform.

 

[ep2018]

I'm surprised Susan Rice wasn't picked, she would have had the same effect with minority votes and Harris would have been an amazing AG. This confirms to me that Biden is only running for one term and gave the position to Harris in order for her to get a leg up when she is ultimately the dem nom for the 2024 election.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

Kamala Harris suits Biden perfectly. They can go about attacking African Americans and ruining their futures together.

 

[Maggie5]

She publically called him a racist

LIE! Harris did not call Biden a racist and this is the second time you have posted it, even if you keep posting it, it won't make it any truer.

You are just like the buffoon you blindly follow.

Fox’s Cavuto fact-checks Trump camp claim that Harris called Biden racist: ‘She never did’

Fox News anchor Neil Cavuto fact-checked the Trump campaign’s assertion that Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) called presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden a racist, noting&n…

thehill.com

Ah, same same but different, gotcha

Anyway, I know its not the way Donnie rolls but not sure why the fact that she called him out but was still welcome as VP would be seen as a negative.

I see it as a positive that he selected her, not holding grudges like you know who would.