Strategy 2021 Draft and Hypothetical pick trade proposals

[Strapping Young Lad]

Lol seriously can we just have a ban on posting things ol clickbait Kornes says…

none of it is interesting and it’s all designed to just stir people up.

Hodgey wants a new rule! Hodgey gets a new rule.

No more clickbait shit from Cornes in here.


Also:

Can we also threadban Rendell quotes. The bloke is senile.

Done

 

[Brant]

I don’t think you can trade a further first and a future second from the same draft unless you bring in either another future first or second. Ie you can trade either your future first or any number of picks from subsequent rounds but both at the same time.

pies traded out both their future first and second round pick but they had acquired a future second from the dogs. We have one pick for each round so can make a trade of a future pick but I’m not sure we can do the whole set of trades you propose.

In this scenario, Strapping Young Lad sent out our Pick 24 for the Essendon Future 2nd.

I think it would meet the requirement of maintaining either a 1st or 2nd in the following year.

 

[Brishawk]

In this scenario, Strapping Young Lad sent out our Pick 24 for the Essendon Future 2nd.

I think it would meet the requirement of maintaining either a 1st or 2nd in the following year.

Yeah my bad. I think all the hypotheticals are blurring together now

 

[HODGEYROAD]

Brant if we entered next year with no first, but we’d landed 3 picks inside 15 this year, landed just inside the 8 and then scored Tim Taranto as a FA would that offset not having a first rounder?

I know it's a hypothetical thread, but lets try and at least keep it somewhat realistic.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I know it's a hypothetical thread, but lets try and at least keep it somewhat realistic.

 

[CHUBBSS]

Here’s one scenario of how we play the next month, tell Erasmus we are picking him because he is the best talent at our pick and his got a big future with us.

Freo will sweat and on draft night theirs a trade for Erasmus for 6/8 and something else from us. We then take gibcus and sinn and if not we take erasmus.

I really want sinn and gibcus though so slightly biased

 

[TDS7]

This draft is a beauty IMO.
2022 better be a really good one if we're not trading that first into this draft.

【Current Year】is always a good draft year. This isn't a good draft year, we have limited footage and stunted development for every single prospect. I would.be irate if we traded a future first for Mac Andrew. That pick next year will be a Wardlaw, Tsatas, Hollands, Hewett or Long. It could also be one of the talks that show promise and secures a top pick. We would have to get a great deal (pick 2 or a bundle of two top 12 picks) for our future first to be good value for me.

 

[Brant]

【Current Year】is always a good draft year. This isn't a good draft year, we have limited footage and stunted development for every single prospect. I would.be irate if we traded a future first for Mac Andrew. That pick next year will be a Wardlaw, Tsatas, Hollands, Hewett or Long. It could also be one of the talks that show promise and secures a top pick. We would have to get a great deal (pick 2 or a bundle of two top 12 picks) for our future first to be good value for me.

Is this you guaranteeing us a bottom 5 finish in 2022?

Long way out to be confirming the top 5 as well, isn't it?

 

[Mercy Seat]

Is this you guaranteeing us a bottom 5 finish in 2022?

Long way out to be confirming the top 5 as well, isn't it?

No one can guarantee anything, but we are rebuilding, new coach, new game plan, likely an emphasis on playing kids, second favourite for the spoon in the betting odds (fwiw). I’m optimistic but I see us finishing anywhere from 9-16th. That would have us a good chance at bottom 5.

But nonetheless, I’d take a top 10 pick this year for our future next year every day of the week. The talent is absolutely there for the taking and we’d be giving them an extra year of development. The main argument against seems to be frustration from a supporter perspective if we are playing like shit and don’t have a top pick to look forward to.

 

[Mrzohs]

No one can guarantee anything, but we are rebuilding, new coach, new game plan, likely an emphasis on playing kids, second favourite for the spoon in the betting odds (fwiw). I’m optimistic but I see us finishing anywhere from 9-16th. That would have us a good chance at bottom 5.

But nonetheless, I’d take a top 10 pick this year for our future next year every day of the week. The talent is absolutely there for the taking and we’d be giving them an extra year of development. The main argument against seems to be frustration from a supporter perspective if we are playing like sh*t and don’t have a top pick to look forward to.

I 100% agree with this re the position and taking the asset now a extra year of development is a bonus.
The argument against is fair but you never know who might pop up and have a good season and demand a first round in return if we require that.
For what's it worth I don't see us finishing bottom 4, barring a shit injury run, I think the one direction and one voice with experienced players back will only see a positive result.

 

[Steven Tyler]

Brant if we entered next year with no first, but we’d landed 3 picks inside 15 this year, landed just inside the 8 and then scored Tim Taranto as a FA would that offset not having a first rounder?

We can’t seem to convince quality free agents to choose Hawthorn

 

[HODGEYROAD]

We can’t seem to convince quality free agents to choose Hawthorn

Yep that's basically why I said what I said a few posts earlier.

 

[Mrzohs]

We can’t seem to convince quality free agents to choose Hawthorn

It has been a recent struggle just reflection on our downhill tractory as a side really. It can be turned quickly with a solid season and attractive footy.

 

[Blackhawk42]

Here’s one scenario of how we play the next month, tell Erasmus we are picking him because he is the best talent at our pick and his got a big future with us.

Freo will sweat and on draft night theirs a trade for Erasmus for 6/8 and something else from us. We then take gibcus and sinn and if not we take erasmus.

I really want sinn and gibcus though so slightly biased

You want to 2 early picks but still don't want to pick a genuine midfielder which is our most glaring issue?

Each to their own of course. Just wondering if you are completely set on that duo.

 

[TBoyleSuperstar]

Gee the write up on draft central on Josh Rachelle paints a much more dynamic player than his highlights show. Particularly reference to turn of foot and game breaking qualities...

id love us to get another top 10-12 pick to get this guy.
Reckon he’s just what we need.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Smythe on the D&T board has us getting Finn Callaghan with a pick trade.


“Hawks trade 5 with future 1st and 2nd to GWS for 2, future 1st and 2nd”.

So effectively, if the ladder doesn’t change in 2022, it’s…

Giants Pick 2, 13 and 42 for Hawks Pick 5, 5 and 24.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Smythe on the D&T board has us getting Finn Callaghan with a pick trade.


“Hawks trade 5 with future 1st and 2nd to GWS for 2, future 1st and 2nd”.

So effectively, if the ladder doesn’t change in 2022, it’s…

Giants Pick 2, 13 and 42 for Hawks Pick 5, 5 and 24.

If it stays the same (as above) then the deficit in points equates to pick 41 in their favor.

Say GWS finish in the same position, but we finish with pick 8 and 27, then it's essentially equal.

Not a bad trade and if GWS were interested then we'd have to consider it.

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

We can’t seem to convince quality free agents to choose Hawthorn

That should change.

When we were dominant, while we didn't get to many free agents, the quality players still wanted to come, Gibson, Hale, Lake, Burgoyne etc.

Let's be honest... Clarko's aura aside, we haven't been the most attractive proposition for the last few years.

Its a blank canvas now, show some exciting signs in a solid year next year and the worm will turn again. With a bit of luck ot can happen quickly too.

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[bigmaxi]

We can’t seem to convince quality free agents to choose Hawthorn

A big strong season 2022 and just in or out of the eight…….they’ll come.

 

[perrdan86]

Smythe on the D&T board has us getting Finn Callaghan with a pick trade.


“Hawks trade 5 with future 1st and 2nd to GWS for 2, future 1st and 2nd”.

So effectively, if the ladder doesn’t change in 2022, it’s…

Giants Pick 2, 13 and 42 for Hawks Pick 5, 5 and 24.

What do people think of this?

I wish I knew enough to know if Callaghan over guys at 5 is a big enough upgrade to justify the pick swap.

 

[chopflop]

What do people think of this?

I wish I knew enough to know if Callaghan over guys at 5 is a big enough upgrade to justify the pick swap.

Personally I love what Smythe did for us in his mock but I probably would have made some different selections late. He took Callaghan then sonsie which would be great. Then he split 26 to two of geelongs seconds and took Rankin and long. I would have taken macdonald and hough at those spots. He took lochlon Paton late when charlie dean was on the board.

If it was possible to get a mix of

Callaghan
Sonsie
Outside mids with class

MacDonald
Brute inside mid with leadership and endurance

Hough
Outside mid, run and carry type wing who has lots of development. Can play HFF and had 5 shots on goal vs sa as a high HF.

Dean
As a KPD prospect

Massive overhaul of the flanks and midfield

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Personally I love what Smythe did for us in his mock but I probably would have made some different selections late. He took Callaghan then sonsie which would be great. Then he split 26 to two of geelongs seconds and took Rankin and long. I would have taken macdonald and hough at those spots. He took lochlon Paton late when charlie dean was on the board.

If it was possible to get a mix of

Callaghan
Sonsie
Outside mids with class

MacDonald
Brute inside mid with leadership and endurance

Hough
Outside mid, run and carry type wing who has lots of development. Can play HFF and had 5 shots on goal vs sa as a high HF.

Dean
As a KPD prospect

Massive overhaul of the flanks and midfield

Splitting 26 when Taylor and Roberts were still there was horrible.

On further inspection, it seems he didn’t know a great deal about our list, as he didn’t know what inside mids we have on the list when I mentioned we’re well stocked for them(even if they’re untried) in comparison to outside types, but then mentioned Bramble, Newcombe and Saunders in the same breath, like they are our inside types. I don’t know how you could think Bramble and Saunders are inside mids. It was odd.

 

[CHUBBSS]

You want to 2 early picks but still don't want to pick a genuine midfielder which is our most glaring issue?

Each to their own of course. Just wondering if you are completely set on that duo.

Not wedded to those two but thinking from the perspective of being Positionally elite in time over just a very good mid in time, gibcus may be that and likewise sinn on the outside with an elite kick.

It all depends on how we are going to change the midfield setup, because it will be changed. How much time will worpel, Jai, nash, day, others? Get in the centre over what we saw this year and how much upside will we see over current.

Then their is Mitchell and wingard and how much time we look at holding these in inside spots as we develop the above and bring in 3 more mids across draft and free agency before our next run. Can’t build everything in a day.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

If it stays the same (as above) then the deficit in points equates to pick 41 in their favor.

Say GWS finish in the same position, but we finish with pick 8 and 27, then it's essentially equal.

Not a bad trade and if GWS were interested then we'd have to consider it.

I don't know if the future 2nd swaps are even required.

 

[chopflop]

Splitting 26 when Taylor and Roberts were still there was horrible.

On further inspection, it seems he doesn’t know much about our list, as he didn’t know what inside mids we have on the list, but then mentioned Bramble, Newcombe and Saunders in the same breath, like they play inside. It was odd.

I'd split Taylor or Roberts into macdonald and hough all day. There is value in this draft up to pick 40 and two bites early 30 is better than one in the 20s imo.

 

[KermitJagger]

That should change.

When we were dominant, while we didn't get to many free agents, the quality players still wanted to come, Gibson, Hale, Lake, Burgoyne etc.

Let's be honest... Clarko's aura aside, we haven't been the most attractive proposition for the last few years.

Its a blank canvas now, show some exciting signs in a solid year next year and the worm will turn again. With a bit of luck ot can happen quickly too.

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I've never felt that the inability to draw free agents was that big of a deal, in the grand scheme of things most free agents don't actually leave - and the market for contracted players is like trying to buy property in Sydney both from a pick and a dollar perspective. Clubs like Carlton have bit deep into the contracted player market an insane amount over the past few years and they're still painfully average.