List Mgmt. 2021 Draft Picks part deux: 4/33/75

[Deaneus!]

thanks to Lore as always

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[Drewie11]

For some reason Wanganeen Milera is the last one out of the top 15 that I’d like us to take. We have plenty on the outside

 

[BrissyCrow]

You just know how this board will react: Say we get up to pick2 and get Callahan. Everyone will be happy BUT everyone will be watching how Rachelle performs and if he becomes a stand out in 2022 we will all be saying "we could have had him" and the chances are we will become disappointed with picking Callahan.

One thing I will say is that this year there has been less noise around worrying who Port will select. Normally there is a focus on trying to stuff up their plans even at the expect of our own plans. Will be interesting to watch the draft at least for the first round. Then will be interesting to come on here and read the comments.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Hes probably Greene in that regard really..... Toby has that burst from a stoppage and push away due to strength.

He’s got more zip than Greene IMO

 

[Jeffcrowe]

For some reason Wanganeen Milera is the last one out of the top 15 that I’d like us to take. We have plenty on the outside

Completely agree , his contested ball win ratio concerns me . Ball use is great If he gets the ball enough

 

[MRB37]

One thing I will say is that this year there has been less noise around worrying who Port will select. Normally there is a focus on trying to stuff up their plans even at the expect of our own plans. Will be interesting to watch the draft at least for the first round. Then will be interesting to come on here and read the comments.

Current rumour is GWS want to trade 13 for a future 1st and Port are one of the teams interested. Guessing it potentially allows them to take Wanganeen-Milera and someone else they have their eyes on.

 

[Danger in Texas]

For some reason Wanganeen Milera is the last one out of the top 15 that I’d like us to take. We have plenty on the outside

Yep. Has silky skills, but someone who is that outside even at junior level concerns me re: adapting to the naturally even more contested AFL environment. Not a huge accumulator for an outside player as well, which doesn't help

 

[Drewie11]

Yep. Has silky skills, but someone who is that outside even at junior level concerns me re: adapting to the naturally even more contested AFL environment. Not a huge accumulator for an outside player as well, which doesn't help

If we took him at 6 when you’ve got players like Rachele, Ward, Erasmus and even Sinn I’d be pretty disappointed

 

[Chase13]

If we took him at 6 when you’ve got players like Rachele, Ward, Erasmus and even Sinn I’d be pretty disappointed

hamish did say the real draft board can be v different to what we as novices think

 

[WeedsMullet84]

‘Midfielders with outside speed at that first pick..’

Surely we’re locked into Ward if Callaghan is gone.




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[Big Dub]

‘Midfielders with outside speed at that first pick..’

Surely we’re locked into Ward if Callaghan is gone.




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Sounds more like Callaghan and Rachele than Ward (or Wanganeen-Milera). Ward doesn't seem to have that real break-away pace. He described Rachele as "speed and power, like a lot of the boys at the top of the draft".

Still, hard to know. "wouldn't expect too many curveballs in the first 15" sits next to "we have the same names in that 12-15 that everybody has. Maybe not in the same order." (misquoting a bit here, but getting the vibe right I think).

Feels like reading a horoscope. It's vague enough that any outcome seems on the money after the fact.

 

[hey shorty]

For some reason Wanganeen Milera is the last one out of the top 15 that I’d like us to take. We have plenty on the outside

He's not the last one is pick as his skills are absolutely outstanding.

But he's just not the type of player we should draft that high.

 

[Play On Advantage]

Those Josh Sinn highlights gave me Isaac Smith

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Isaac Smith

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1.7

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19.4

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8.3

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3.8

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1.3

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10.6

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0.6

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vibes with his run and carry and link up work. I wouldnt be unhappy with that coming in as he looks much more explosive than Sholl.

What are his contested numbers like?

 

[Hodgy]

Current rumour is GWS want to trade 13 for a future 1st and Port are one of the teams interested. Guessing it potentially allows them to take Wanganeen-Milera and someone else they have their eyes on.

I would trade our next years 1st and 4 for 2 and 13 this year. Would surely be more appealing than Ports future 1st.
Add Callaghan and 1 of Goater/Sinn/Erasmus, Then maybe Fejo to add defensive forward pressure and we would have a serious list to work with.

 

[Murray2503]

reading between lines gold medal senario we get pick 2 and take Callahan
we will be pushing for pick 2 if not rachelle at 4 a lock

obviously believes he can play mid as well as forward of ball

Yeah I took out of it that we will be going very hard for pick 2. Callaghan looks our target.

 

[Murray2503]

I would trade our next years 1st and 4 for 2 and 13 this year. Would surely be more appealing than Ports future 1st.
Add Callaghan and 1 of Goater/Sinn/Erasmus, Then maybe Fejo to add defensive forward pressure and we would have a serious list to work with.

Agree our offer is much more compelling than pear.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

‘Midfielders with outside speed at that first pick..’

Surely we’re locked into Ward if Callaghan is gone.




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i hope not

 

[phill5158]

Could be the unexpected with our first pick on Wednesday if we can't trade up for Callaghan but if the third best midfielder is available with our pick surely Rachele will be overlooked by us. I am just not sure Rachele will be our first pick anymore, how often has the played favoured to be our first pick by media and supporters happened? I am just getting ready to anticipate the unexpected on Wednesday anyway.

 

[Tarasque36]

If we are throwing around Rachele comparisons, I'm sensing more of a Jamie Elliott than Toby Greene

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12.4

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4.8

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. So I'm not too excited. (Quickly forgets our last game v Coll LOL)
We have our Toby Greene

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Toby Greene

Age

31

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182cm

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85kg

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22.7

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4.8

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1.2

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17.5

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9.5

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8.0

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4.8

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2.3

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26.6

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4.8

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- Cook.
In saying that, I'm happy if we get Sinn at pick 4 (ahead of Rachele) as a wingman or Smith replacement rebounding defender.
I saw him live at Preston earlier in the year, his ability keep pace while collecting a high bounce ball and change direction 3 times to get around the chaser was an instance of speed, balance and agility on the field with ball in hand that is rarely seen in Crows colours.

 

[phill5158]

If we are throwing around Rachele comparisons, I'm sensing more of a Jamie Elliott than Toby Greene. So I'm not too excited. (Quickly forgets our last game v Coll LOL)
We have our Toby Greene - Cook.
In saying that, I'm happy if we get Sinn at pick 4 (ahead of Rachele) as a wingman or Smith replacement rebounding defender.
I saw him live at Preston earlier in the year, his ability keep pace while collecting a high bounce ball and change direction 3 times to get around the chaser was an instance of speed, balance and agility on the filed with ball in hand that is rarely seen in Crows colours.

I agree with you to some extent but i mean there are always player comparisons with every player in the drafts but i do agree comparisons are often annoying like why can't Rachele just be himself and not Greene v2 or Elliott. I do agree with you on Sinn, very impressive vision from what i have watched of him, his speed and acceleration is very eye catching and i would go as far as saying he would be wasted at half back as i reckon he has huge upside to be a A grade midfielder. I would be way more excited in picking Sinn with pick 4 than Rachele definitely. I do fear though that he could just as well slide to Ports pick at 12.

 

[phill5158]

I would trade our next years 1st and 4 for 2 and 13 this year. Would surely be more appealing than Ports future 1st.
Add Callaghan and 1 of Goater/Sinn/Erasmus, Then maybe Fejo to add defensive forward pressure and we would have a serious list to work with.

That would make sense to do, would be a great draft to add Callaghan and to then get one of Goater/Sinn/Erasmus and if we decide to keep 33 to then potentially get someone like Clarke, Long or Murley would rate as a good draft.

 

[WeedsMullet84]

i hope not

Really? He specifically said Midfielders, of which Rachele is not. Rachele has spent some time there but you can't class him as a Mid.

Who else has speed and pace on the outside?

That's Callaghan, Ward, Goater in the top 15 from the top of my head.

 

[BRL121]

We don't have access to a gun mid this year at pick 4. Good mids - Sinn, Hobbs, Goater etc but we didn't finish low enough to get Callaghan or JFH who are those Bont or Oliver level potential mids you and I both crave.
No harm in upgrading areas of the ground elsewhere based on what is available.
Small forwards and half forwards are currently very weak on paper.
Add Rachele and Rankine and it looks elite.

The current Rankine?

 

[phill5158]

Those Josh Sinn highlights gave me Isaac Smith vibes with his run and carry and link up work. I wouldnt be unhappy with that coming in as he looks much more explosive than Sholl.

What are his contested numbers like?

Can't find contested numbers anywhere but Draft Central rate his contested ball as average

 

[TheVelourFog]

Really? He specifically said Midfielders, of which Rachele is not. Rachele has spent some time there but you can't class him as a Mid.

Who else has speed and pace on the outside?

That's Callaghan, Ward, Goater in the top 15 from the top of my head.

Judging from vision and profiles it seems the knock on Ward is his athleticism so wouldn't put him in the same bracket as Callaghan and Goater in terms of the type of midfielder we need.

 

[Thetrader15]

Sounds more like Callaghan and Rachele than Ward (or Wanganeen-Milera). Ward doesn't seem to have that real break-away pace. He described Rachele as "speed and power, like a lot of the boys at the top of the draft".

Still, hard to know. "wouldn't expect too many curveballs in the first 15" sits next to "we have the same names in that 12-15 that everybody has. Maybe not in the same order." (misquoting a bit here, but getting the vibe right I think).

Feels like reading a horoscope. It's vague enough that any outcome seems on the money after the fact.

I thought of Sinn as soon as he said that.