Game Day 2021 Finals Matchday Supernova End of days thread

[Rotayjay]

What minute mark of the first quarter did every Port fan, player and coach realise that they were going to lose?

I and several others on here were pretty convinced at the 17-minute mark

 

[UcantCme]

Last nights match showed just how overhyped Port are and the list.

Firstly if it wasn't for Boak, Port wouldn't have even made finals. When a 33yo is your star midfielder, you have issues.

Robbie Gray

9

Robbie Gray

Age

36

Ht

183cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.9

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

10.1

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.4

5star

D

13.3

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

7.3

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.6

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.4

4star

G

1.4

5star

should announce his retirement. He is clearly slowing up and while I am 100% certain he will play next year, he shouldn't. He won't be doing his team any favours.

Steven Motlop

6

Steven Motlop

Age

33

Ht

183cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.6

4star

K

11.2

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.5

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

12.0

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

5.6

3star

M

2.9

3star

T

1.7

3star

G

0.9

4star

D

7.4

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

2.4

3star

M

1.0

1star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.4

3star

needs to be delisted.

Rozee needs to redefine his game. Right this second, if you were to rank the standings from players in his draft year, McHenry could be ahead of him let alone all the other first round players. Its like he is trying to live off this culture of flashiness but is lacking the tricks to pull it off. He looks like a midfielder playing forward and he just looks out of place. Butters has jumped ahead of him and will be a star.

Duursma I believe is going to end up being a travelling depth player. Alot of hype and after an impressive debut year he has no substance. He should never ever bring out that bow and arrow celebration again.

Hinkley again proves he can not coach. He is a great motivator but his match day coaching is average at best. He sacrificed one of his best ball winners to shut down an average opponent and the wrong one. The loss of Drew really hurt Port in the midfield.

What would also be concerning for Port would be how many players simply disappeared when the pressure increased.

Basically they lived up to the downhill skiing football they have been renowned for. Beating up on crap sides but falling to good ones. This is Hinkleys cultural legacy. They win enough games to hide it but it gets exposed badly in finals.

Where is the evidence that he is great motivator?

If he was a great motivator they woukd not have come out as soft as they did last night

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[Soggy2112]

Resource - 2022 Membership - 63,240 as at August 25th

Those renewal notices will be out very shortly 😢

www.bigfooty.com

This from the club with all the “true believers” and “actual supporters”.

 

[Redline]

Correct me if I was wrong but this was the second year in a row Port have had a full list to pick from on Preliminary Final Day? That doesn't often.

Also Robbie Gray

9

Robbie Gray

Age

36

Ht

183cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.9

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

10.1

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.4

5star

D

13.3

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

7.3

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.6

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.4

4star

G

1.4

5star

is lucky to be considered the best Port Power player of all time. For someone who they claim has ice in his veins he lacks impact at times.

 

[jenny61_99]

Brisbane Lions

17.13 (115)

Adelaide

5.14 (44)

I was there!

 

[Scorpus]

Once again reading delusional posts about the quality of Port's list with their supposed "stars on every line" and "great depth"

Of their best 22 (which they fielded last night as almost their entire list was available) there are minimum half a dozen players that would only get games at a bottom side

Motlop - trash player, terrible in finals, goes missing
Bonner - played his one good game for the season last night
McKenzie - delisted by Gold Coast tells you everything, the guy is not and never will be a KPD
Drew - a bog average dime a dozen defensive mid that every side has 4-5 of in their reserves team
Byrne-Jones - had one good season ever, took Port supporters half of this year to realize it was a fluke and the guy just sucks
Marshall - extremely average, goal-a-game tall forward that's really not much better than Elliot Himmelberg

Of course this is not even mentioning guys that are basically just passable role players most sides have like Ladhams, Duursma, Fantasia and Jonas

Their "excellent" depth includes:

Powell-Pepper - below average midfielder
Clurey - passable but nothing more than a role player (better than McKenzie)
Hartlett - cooked
Mayes - below average no-position utility
Rockliff - cooked and couldn't get on the park
Farrell - who?
Lienert - who?
Jones and a few other draftees - barely played

The reality of their list is it's held together by a few very good top-end players, some of who are near the end. Boak, Wines, Amon, Aliir, Butters before he was injured and then Gray (who is almost cooked) bobs up a few times a season to win them a game with clutch goals.

There aren't that many players rotating through the midfield who are quality, their defense is Aliir and role players (who are their elite distributors off half back?) and their forward line has 3 highly overrated or bathwater drinkers they rely on (Dixon, Rozee and Fantasia).

If they cop a couple of injuries to key players they are ****ed. They didn't, which is why they were able to complete the H&A season in a reasonable position. Imagine a Port side with Wines injured, or a cooked Boak?

They look to me like a 5-8 side that is desperately treading water. They have some good upcoming players but they will be required to replace their aging stars and once that happens, the players ranked 8-16 in their best 22 will be exposed again

 

[The Karma Bus]

Where is the sweeping outrage and hunting down of that racist Poort supporter tweeter who wrote something about wanting to see that greasy Libba get taken out?

 

[UcantCme]

Honestly, Rozee loved to squib a contest...... soft

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[adelaidecrows]

Where is the evidence that he is great motivator?

If he was a great motivator they woukd not have come out as soft as they did last night

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He is a great motivator for new players. They all come onto the list and star almost straight away, they talk about how good Ken is etc. Everyone raves about how awesome Ports trading and drafting is. Then, always they fall into a hole. When a coach is a great motivator they preach this mantra etc and the players initially love it. But when the players hear the same message over again they stop listening. This is why he is not a good coach. No coach in Australian Football History has a worse record and been able to coach in as many games.

 

[ABAB]

Once again reading delusional posts about the quality of Port's list with their supposed "stars on every line" and "great depth"

Of their best 22 (which they fielded last night as almost their entire list was available) there are minimum half a dozen players that would only get games at a bottom side

Motlop - trash player, terrible in finals, goes missing
Bonner - played his one good game for the season last night
McKenzie - delisted by Gold Coast tells you everything, the guy is not and never will be a KPD
Drew - a bog average dime a dozen defensive mid that every side has 4-5 of in their reserves team
Byrne-Jones - had one good season ever, took Port supporters half of this year to realize it was a fluke and the guy just sucks
Marshall - extremely average, goal-a-game tall forward that's really not much better than Elliot Himmelberg

Of course this is not even mentioning guys that are basically just passable role players most sides have like Ladhams, Duursma, Fantasia and Jonas

Their "excellent" depth includes:

Powell-Pepper - below average midfielder
Clurey - passable but nothing more than a role player (better than McKenzie)
Hartlett - cooked
Mayes - below average no-position utility
Rockliff - cooked and couldn't get on the park
Farrell - who?
Lienert - who?
Jones and a few other draftees - barely played

The reality of their list is it's held together by a few very good top-end players, some of who are near the end. Boak, Wines, Amon, Aliir, Butters before he was injured and then Gray (who is almost cooked) bobs up a few times a season to win them a game with clutch goals.

There aren't that many players rotating through the midfield who are quality, their defense is Aliir and role players (who are their elite distributors off half back?) and their forward line has 3 highly overrated or bathwater drinkers they rely on (Dixon, Rozee and Fantasia).

If they cop a couple of injuries to key players they are f’ed. They didn't, which is why they were able to complete the H&A season in a reasonable position. Imagine a Port side with Wines injured, or a cooked Boak?

They look to me like a 5-8 side that is desperately treading water. They have some good upcoming players but they will be required to replace their aging stars and once that happens, the players ranked 8-16 in their best 22 will be exposed again

Apparently straight swap Clurey for Dawson......

 

[pjcrows]

Yes, the Bulldogs have stars. They also have a LOT of average list players.

Their advantage is elite coaching. They've won their 3 finals in 3 completely different ways.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Correct me if I was wrong but this was the second year in a row Port have had a full list to pick from on Preliminary Final Day? That doesn't often.

Also Robbie Gray is lucky to be considered the best Port Power player of all time. For someone who they claim has ice in his veins he lacks impact at times.

I'd put Boak ahead of Gray. Gray needs to retire. He has slowed down and has become easy to defend. I can't see a slow 34yo Gray being able to have any impact next year. Can't wait to see Port be too scared to play him in the Sanfl.

 

[Scorpus]

Yes, the Bulldogs have stars. They also have a LOT of average list players.

Their advantage is elite coaching. They've won their 3 finals in 3 completely different ways.

I think it's both. They have more elite players in the positions that matter than Port and many other teams. Their average list players are in all the spots you want them.

Port have average players in key positions including the midfield. Ken is a terrible coach but the quality of his list, the gulf in class and skill was also shown up last night

 

[pjcrows]

I think it's both. They have more elite players in the positions that matter than Port and many other teams. Their average list players are in all the spots you want them.

Port have average players in key positions including the midfield. Ken is a terrible coach but the quality of his list, the gulf in class and skill was also shown up last night

It wasn't necessarily a comparison to Port. Just a general observation as to why they're so good at the crunch. A team's best comes out at the crunch.

 

[treeman]

Where is the evidence that he is great motivator?

If he was a great motivator they woukd not have come out as soft as they did last night

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I think he's a good motivator.
Often players at a port start out playing really well then turn out to be fairly mediocre.
Maybe they just get to finals and realise maybe they ain't that great anymore.

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[Scorpus]

It wasn't necessarily a comparison to Port. Just a general observation as to why they're so good at the crunch. A team's best comes out at the crunch.

They seem quite similar to Richmond to me in many ways. Not necessarily in game style, but in how their list and structure is built.

Both sides have elite, tactical coaches that aren't afraid to change players, make positional moves or change gameplan mid-game. Crappier teams like Port and GWS don't have this

They also have stars in all the right positions. Both teams invested heavily in midfield, key position forwards, and a couple of key defensive roles. They filled the rest of the team with low cost, serviceable role players who can stick to the gameplan no matter what, including in spots like the ruck.

 

[ABAB]

I think he's a good motivator.
Often players at a port start out playing really well then turn out to be fairly mediocre.
Maybe they just get to finals and realise maybe they ain't that great anymore.

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Excellent player manager so players will initially play for him and then a few years later they get comfortable with him and don't try as hard, hence why the players supposedly "love" him and why he is consider by the industry as a sh*t game day coach.

 

[treeman]

He is a great motivator for new players. They all come onto the list and star almost straight away, they talk about how good Ken is etc. Everyone raves about how awesome Ports trading and drafting is. Then, always they fall into a hole. When a coach is a great motivator they preach this mantra etc and the players initially love it. But when the players hear the same message over again they stop listening. This is why he is not a good coach. No coach in Australian Football History has a worse record and been able to coach in as many games.

Exactly this, which is why they pretty much had to turn over their list a few years ago apart from some decent players they had in the bank like Boak and Gray.

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[adelaidecrows]

I think it's both. They have more elite players in the positions that matter than Port and many other teams. Their average list players are in all the spots you want them.

Port have average players in key positions including the midfield. Ken is a terrible coach but the quality of his list, the gulf in class and skill was also shown up last night

Boak is the only player on that list who stands up in big games consistently. Even Wines goes missing way to much for someone of his quality.

 

[goyoucrows]

Wearing my crow jumper to shops today, a few people dressed head to toe in poort gear giving me bad looks. This is great!

 

[adelaidecrows]

Apparently straight swap Clurey for Dawson......

This shows how deluded Port fans are.

 

[Soggy2112]

I think it's both. They have more elite players in the positions that matter than Port and many other teams. Their average list players are in all the spots you want them.

Port have average players in key positions including the midfield. Ken is a terrible coach but the quality of his list, the gulf in class and skill was also shown up last night

Their midfield has four genuine A graders in Macrae, Bont, Dunkley and Treloar while Smith and Libba aren’t far off. Naughton is a gun and English is a pretty good second option and their smalls work well together.

Only thing they miss in terms of talent on paper is their backline but a combination of excellent coaching and midfield domination has meant they’re able to overcome that.

 

[Amacca 23]

This shows how deluded Port fans are.

clurey is crap

 

[footy4ever]

I'd put Boak ahead of Gray. Gray needs to retire. He has slowed down and has become easy to defend. I can't see a slow 34yo Gray being able to have any impact next year. Can't wait to see Port be too scared to play him in the Sanfl.

Last night I saw the the first signs of Boak slowing down. Age waits for no man, ….except Dustin Fletcher.

 

[Scorpus]

Their midfield has four genuine A graders in Macrae, Bont, Dunkley and Treloar while Smith and Libba aren’t far off. Naughton is a gun and English is a pretty good second option and their smalls work well together.

Only thing they miss in terms of talent on paper is their backline but a combination of excellent coaching and midfield domination has meant they’re able to overcome that.

The Dogs backline lacks stars but they still have a few very very solid players down there. Keath, Daniel, Williams and Dale are no slouches