List Mgmt. 2021 List Management: Draft, Trade, Free Agency and Academy

[raffrox]

I’m similar. My ‘bashing’ is influenced by him being selected 8. I don’t mind Hughes as an example and you could argue pros and cons for both. But in terms of bang for buck, Hughes is essentially a free hit. Logue at 8 seems a waste.

I think my frustrations in him are magnified by this belief he shouldn’t make the brain fades he makes if you’re a top 10 pick.

The cost to acquire is what I constantly reference in my mind when I say ‘spud’.

Not every pick turns out to be the talent they are picked at so it's still seem odd to criticise someone because of where they were drafted. Logue had no control over that either.

He's got a fair amount if upside imo as well but either way health permitting will play 150 games and be a life member of our club.

 

[Cobbler]

Not every pick turns out to be the talent they are picked at so it's still seem odd to criticise someone because of where they were drafted. Logue had no control over that either.

He's got a fair amount if upside imo as well but either way health permitting will play 150 games and be a life member of our club.

We’ll it’s not the be all in my opinion. Just doesn’t help.

I think he’s a spud whether he’s pick 8 or 50.

The fact he was pick 8 just magnifies his spudliness to me.

 

[Taylor]

Hopefully both Logue and Brodie, our picks #8 and #9 in that draft turn into top half of the twenty two players.

 

[Superkoops]

Just a thought might be time to move on from bagging Logue. He was very good until injury in 2020 and then suffered an injury pre-season and like Tucker never reached the standard that he would have liked or we as supporters expected. But if he can return to form of the games leading up to his injury in 2020 then he is more than worthy of a first round pick. Someone listed a bunch of players they would have drafted before Logue.

Names included Will Brodie

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Will Brodie

Age

26

Ht

190cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.0

5star

K

8.2

3star

HB

10.8

5star

M

3.1

3star

T

4.9

5star

CL

4.1

5star

D

14.0

3star

K

4.0

1star

HB

10.0

5star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.0

2star

CL

3.0

4star

D

13.8

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

5.4

5star

CL

2.8

5star

, Issac Cumming and William Drew. I have to be honest and I do like my football I had to head to google to even work out who Cumming and Drew even were. All three (incl. Brodie have barely played 20 games) and that is having a genuine lend if they are players reportedly having had better careers to date than Logue. Logue just needs to cut out that playing in front of the man defender style that gets him into trouble.

 

[raffrox]

Damn ESPN has Callaghan dropping to pick 7, one short of ours

AFL Draft Whispers: Rival clubs eyeing big trade plays as interest in young gun mid grows

AFL Draft Whispers: In-demand Bont clone central to a mega five-club bidding war

www.foxsports.com.au

Well according to Fox its the complete opposite. How long until Knightmare finds some more game footage under his couch and Callaghan is suddenly back in the top few?

 

[Daddoo]

Looks like Tucker is the guy to replace Cerra’s inside/outside role with maybe more time inside. I actually think that’s his best position, which fits JLo’s philosophy of playing to players strengths. My only concern is that Tucker isn’t the quickest of the bunch. Give him a full preseason and he’ll be back at his best. Should be interesting to see how it shakes out.

Freddy, Clark, Aish and Tucker for the wings with stints by Acres. I wonder if this might push Freddy to HF or does this mean Clark will be HB? Hmmmm.

Regardless, I love how every single player in every single interview mentions how we’re building something great and how much they love playing at the club. Some teams shy away from saying the F-word. Not at Freo anymore. Bradshaw uses it. Serong does. The big onion does. Fyfe. Now Tucker. This, my friends, is how you start to build a winning culture.


Darcy commits with sights set on wing https://www.fremantlefc.com.au/news/1026907




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[wakojako]

Looks like Tucker is the guy to replace Cerra’s inside/outside role with maybe more time inside. I actually think that’s his best position, which fits JLo’s philosophy of playing to players strengths. My only concern is that Tucker isn’t the quickest of the bunch. Give him a full preseason and he’ll be back at his best. Should be interesting to see how it shakes out.

Freddy, Clark, Aish and Tucker for the wings with stints by Acres. I wonder if this might push Freddy to HF or does this mean Clark will be HB? Hmmmm.

Regardless, I love how every single player in every single interview mentions how we’re building something great and how much they love playing at the club. Some teams shy away from saying the F-word. Not at Freo anymore. Bradshaw uses it. Serong does. The big onion does. Fyfe. Now Tucker. This, my friends, is how you start to build a winning culture.


Darcy commits with sights set on wing https://www.fremantlefc.com.au/news/1026907




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Tucket want's to play wing not inside in Cerras position

 

[CapitalA]

Tucket want's to play wing not inside in Cerras position

Cerra played a lot of the wing as well as inside.

 

[Paracleet]

Cerra played a lot of the wing as well as inside.

Cerra wasn't full time inside till his last 5 or so games for the club

 

[Daddoo]

Tucket want's to play wing not inside in Cerras position

I thought I would check on this and here is what I found. These are Cerra's positions in the official starting line-up on AFL.com

Round 1 - HF
2 - HF
3 - FOL
4 - Center
5- Center
6 - n/a
7 - n/a
8 - n/a
9 - wing
10 - fol
11 - wing
12 - fol
13 - fol
14 - bye
15 - fol
16 - fol
17 - wing
18 - wing
19 - wing
20 - wing
21 - wing
22 - IC
23 - injured (or he was too busy shopping for his new Carlton gear. We're not sure.)

So, by looks of it, I think we can safely say that Cerra spent considerable time on the wing, which Tucker seems to be in line to take over.

Anyone have an idea how Tucker's speed/tank compares with Cerra's?

 

[Unique Name]

Tucker is comfortably faster than Cerra.

 

[Superkoops]

AFL Draft Whispers: Rival clubs eyeing big trade plays as interest in young gun mid grows

AFL Draft Whispers: In-demand Bont clone central to a mega five-club bidding war

www.foxsports.com.au

Well according to Fox its the complete opposite. How long until Knightmare finds some more game footage under his couch and Callaghan is suddenly back in the top few?

Knightmare came up with a top 50 Phantom like others it is just his opinion and it is a lottery after the first half dozen picks or so. Twomey seems to have some decent intel on what clubs are interested in, particularly in the lead up to the draft but even he gets the order quite wrong due to one unexpected pick that changes everything.

One thing that hasn’t changed is that Finn Callaghan is rated second highest live pick behind JHF. GWS are working out whether they call out his name or take phone calls on selling this pick to the highest bidder and drop a pick or two for them to pick up Gibcus or Mac Andrew. The most likely club unfortunately for Freo is Gold Coast. Who can sell some of their bevy of future second and/or third round picks to move up one spot.

Knightmare is dreaming if he thinks Callaghan will drop to 7.

 

[SiempreFreo]

Anyone have an idea how Tucker's speed/tank compares with Cerra's?

Cerra's admirable attitudes have never included speed. Watching him attempt to chase an oppo player is close to excruciating.

 

[Paracleet]

Cerra's admirable attitudes have never included speed. Watching him attempt to chase an oppo player is close to excruciating.

Speed away from stoppages is just gold in modern footy. This is why I think Sonsie will move back up the boards.

 

[estibador]

The cost to acquire is what I constantly reference in my mind when I say ‘spud’.

Well that seems a bit unfair, judging him on his draft pick instead of his output.

Do you do the same in reverse and label Colyer a superstar because he outperformed what you'd expect from a 4th round pick last year? Or Tabs a generational superduperstar since he made the AA squad after being drafted from the rookie list?

 

[estibador]

Cerra's admirable attitudes have never included speed. Watching him attempt to chase an oppo player is close to excruciating.

I don't think Cerra ever had much intent in that regard either.

 

[Tbonefreo]

Not really. His October power rankings are dramatically different to this phantom for a number of players (e.g. Roberts, Alleer, Draper, Uwland, Rachele, Amiss, Gibcus etc). For example he has Gibcus ranked 20, but now has him going 4 in the phantom. Or Roberts he has ranked 7, and now going 27 in his phantom.

Maybe his November power rankings will look like this latest phantom. That's his special trick ... has power rankings in Sept/Oct, but then changes them in Nov to match everybody else's rankings, despite no football being played and thus no reason to change your rankings. Absolute joke of an "expert".

Got busted copying Cals phantom and ended up looking pretty silly

 

[Dockernut]

I don't think Cerra ever had much intent in that regard either.

This is why I’m relatively ambivalent about him leaving. Never seemed to show enough hunger for mine.

 

[Van_Dyke]

Got busted copying Cals phantom and ended up looking pretty silly

majority of phantom drafts the day or so before the draft are people copying what journos (usually Twomey) are hearing as opposed to what they think

 

[Cobbler]

Well that seems a bit unfair, judging him on his draft pick instead of his output.

Do you do the same in reverse and label Colyer a superstar because he outperformed what you'd expect from a 4th round pick last year? Or Tabs a generational superduperstar since he made the AA squad after being drafted from the rookie list?

I still said he’s a spud mate. Been consistent with that!
It’s just worse because he was pick 8.

Colyer - I was massively critical of him. Couldn’t understand why he was best 22, but he was very good this year and deserved his extension.

Taberner - I’ve always been a fan. Feel he’s done his best in a dysfunctional forward line.

But yes, I do actually look at the reverse and judge. So Conca to me was great value, so long as they don’t get unwarranted games. Acres the same and I think Acres is deplorable, but he’s being phased out and seems to only play when we’re decimated. I will have zero problem with whatever Will Brodie produces, again so long as he doesn’t just get gifted games.

Obviously judge output but of course I look at cost to acquire. Don’t see that as unfair at all. Why do clubs fight for pick upgrades etc if it wasn’t important?

 

[Superkoops]

I still said he’s a spud mate. Been consistent with that!
It’s just worse because he was pick 8.

Colyer - I was massively critical of him. Couldn’t understand why he was best 22, but he was very good this year and deserved his extension.

Taberner - I’ve always been a fan. Feel he’s done his best in a dysfunctional forward line.

But yes, I do actually look at the reverse and judge. So Conca to me was great value, so long as they don’t get unwarranted games. Acres the same and I think Acres is deplorable, but he’s being phased out and seems to only play when we’re decimated. I will have zero problem with whatever Will Brodie produces, again so long as he doesn’t just get gifted games.

Obviously judge output but of course I look at cost to acquire. Don’t see that as unfair at all. Why do clubs fight for pick upgrades etc if it wasn’t important?

Everyone is entitled to an opinion but can’t agree that Logue is a spud. Perhaps you have a different afl definition of spud because mine is bog ordinary player similar to John Jack Anthony.

I do agree with you that he should start the year off in Peel. His 2021 season was underwhelming. I would be hoping that 2021 was a blip due to delayed injury start. He went backwards from his promising 2020.

 

[raffrox]

I still said he’s a spud mate. Been consistent with that!
It’s just worse because he was pick 8.

Colyer - I was massively critical of him. Couldn’t understand why he was best 22, but he was very good this year and deserved his extension.

Taberner - I’ve always been a fan. Feel he’s done his best in a dysfunctional forward line.

But yes, I do actually look at the reverse and judge. So Conca to me was great value, so long as they don’t get unwarranted games. Acres the same and I think Acres is deplorable, but he’s being phased out and seems to only play when we’re decimated. I will have zero problem with whatever Will Brodie produces, again so long as he doesn’t just get gifted games.

Obviously judge output but of course I look at cost to acquire. Don’t see that as unfair at all. Why do clubs fight for pick upgrades etc if it wasn’t important?

Logue is the classic player that hangs around on your list and if/when they get it, the wait will be worth it. It will usually coincide with the team playing better overall as well.

Two examples come to mind.

One was Brad Sheppard who went from not being able to get a regular game at West Coast until he was about the same age as Logue now. Since then he's been a strong contributor to their team in good teams. West Coast fans wanted him gone at various stages of his early career.

The other example for us is Johnno. Again, his early career had most of us pulling our hair out. He played some great footy in the end in a pretty good era for us.

Logue has been a slow burn for a variety of reasons but he's clearly not a spud. If he stays healthy and we improve as a team (which I think we will) I'm pretty sure he'll feature fairly prominently.

 

[Cobbler]

Logue is the classic player that hangs around on your list and if/when they get it, the wait will be worth it. It will usually coincide with the team playing better overall as well.

Two examples come to mind.

One was Brad Sheppard who went from not being able to get a regular game at West Coast until he was about the same age as Logue now. Since then he's been a strong contributor to their team in good teams. West Coast fans wanted him gone at various stages of his early career.

The other example for us is Johnno. Again, his early career had most of us pulling our hair out. He played some great footy in the end in a pretty good era for us.

Logue has been a slow burn for a variety of reasons but he's clearly not a spud. If he stays healthy and we improve as a team (which I think we will) I'm pretty sure he'll feature fairly prominently.

I've never questioned his potential.

He has top tier athleticism.
He has average skills.
He has below average football IQ. Like rock bottom.

His best feature (athleticism) has no doubt been impacted by his impacted pre-seasons and injuries.

Sure he needs a run at it, that's the only way he will up his IQ.

 

[Cobbler]

Everyone is entitled to an opinion but can’t agree that Logue is a spud. Perhaps you have a different afl definition of spud because mine is bog ordinary player similar to John Jack Anthony.

I do agree with you that he should start the year off in Peel. His 2021 season was underwhelming. I would be hoping that 2021 was a blip due to delayed injury start. He went backwards from his promising 2020.

I think he's a tremendous athlete that plays footy. He's one of the last Docker players I'd pick if holding a footy IQ test, he just makes poor costly decisions too often.

So spud to me can be defined by IQ too.

Can his athleticism cover for him being dumb? Can he close that gap? If he can, then he could be great, but he's one in the 'hope he can come good' bracket. I genuinely saw more in Chapman then I've ever seen in Logue.

 

[Superkoops]

I think he's a tremendous athlete that plays footy. He's one of the last Docker players I'd pick if holding a footy IQ test, he just makes poor costly decisions too often.

So spud to me can be defined by IQ too.

Can his athleticism cover for him being dumb? Can he close that gap? If he can, then he could be great, but he's one in the 'hope he can come good' bracket. I genuinely saw more in Chapman then I've ever seen in Logue.

Don’t disagree with your footy smarts analysis. Still I don’t view Logue as a spud. Not too many of the players I would define as a spud have been moved onto Charlie Cameron after he was destroying us and kept him goal less for the remainder of the game (Rd 2, 2020) from afl.com.au:
“The Lions looked set to cruise to victory early in the second quarter when Cameron kicked his fourth major, forcing a match-up change from Docker Ethan Hughes to Griffin Logue.”

He then a couple of weeks later destroyed Tex Walker who at that point was in form. He genuinely went beast mode in that game. But after the game he was to have some sort of turf toe type injury and missed the remainder of the year.

The good news for Logue in 2021 was he got on the park a lot more frequently after recovering from his PS injury. However like we agree it was an average year. Too many mistakes and the positive strides made on his one-on-one body work went backwards 2021. Even in that Buddy game that everyone refers to he was out positioned a couple of times and other games he made terrible errors. He was fast-tracked from WAFL to AFL because of need in the backline height but it didn’t do him any favours.

Essentially I agree with most of what you are saying but disagree that he is a spud and perhaps that is just your differing opinion of