List Mgmt. 2021 List Management: Draft, Trade, Free Agency and Academy

[Taylor]

Funny was just reading Williams' draft profile:

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A real Wilde Card pick then.

 

[Purpellian Anchor]

Do you think his aestheticism* rules him out of the genuine key forward calculations for most clubs?

*autocorrected to that, meant to say athleticism - it still made sense though.

Josh Kennedy was never particularly athletic - Williams has got the size and smarts.

 

[Docker82]

Josh Kennedy was never particularly athletic - Williams has got the size and smarts.

Saying that Josh Kennedy wasn’t athletic is a load of sh**. For his size he was a fantastic athlete.

He was able to provide more forward pressure than half our current smalls in his prime.

 

[Taylor]

Josh ran 3.16s for his 20m in his combine testing but it should be noted that over a third of that time is just getting to the first 5m marker. This is why he is moving as much as possible, he can motor when already going.

 

[Purpellian Anchor]

ALL VERY INTERESTING TO COMPARE EVEN IF MCDONALD PLAYED MAINLY LEAGUE --- NOTE WILLIAMS AGE

Logan McDonald 2020. dob 04/04/2002 38 sc/shts
LAST 10 MATCHES

ROUND	GRADE	OPPOSITION	K	H	D	M	T	HO	FF	FA	G	B
Finals Week 1, 2020	League	West Perth	3	6	9	0	2	0	0	1	0	1
Round 9, 2020	League	South Fremantle	5	3	8	3	1	0	2	0	1	3
Round 8, 2020	League	Swan Districts	4	2	6	3	1	0	0	1	3	1
Round 7, 2020	League	Subiaco	5	3	8	3	0	0	1	0	3	1
Round 6, 2020	League	Claremont	7	5	12	4	3	0	1	1	2	1
Round 5, 2020	League	West Perth	11	4	15	6	1	0	2	0	3	2
Round 4, 2020	League	East Fremantle	9	3	12	6	2	0	1	2	2	1
Round 2, 2020	League	East Perth	9	6	15	7	0	0	0	0	4	0
Round 1, 2020	League	Peel Thunder	10	6	16	4	1	0	3	1	3	2
Round 20, 2019	Colts	Peel Thunder	12	1	13	5	5	0	0	0	3	2

JACOB VAN ROOYEN dob 16/04/2003. 46. sc/shts
LAST 10 MATCHES

ROUND	GRADE	OPPOSITION	K	H	D	M	T	HO	FF	FA	G	B
Grand Final, 2021	Colts	Swan Districts	7	5	12	3	0	1	2	1	4	0
Finals Week 2, 2021	Colts	Swan Districts	9	4	13	5	1	2	3	0	4	4
Finals Week 1, 2021	Colts	East Perth	5	2	7	4	4	0	0	0	3	0
Round 22, 2021	Colts	Swan Districts	6	1	7	4	2	0	1	1	2	1
Round 19, 2021	Colts	Perth	15	7	22	7	2	0	1	2	5	3
Round 18, 2021	Colts	Subiaco	14	8	22	9	4	0	2	1	6	2
Round 14, 2021	League	South Fremantle	1	1	2	1	0	0	0	0	0	0
Round 12, 2021	League	West Perth	5	1	6	4	2	0	0	3	1	0
Round 10, 2021	Colts	Peel Thunder	11	3	14	5	1	0	0	1	4	3
Round 8, 2021	Colts	East Perth	14	10	24	6	1	1	0	1	3	1

JACK WILLIAMS. dob 1/12/2003. 39 sc/shts
LAST 10 MATCHES

ROUND	GRADE	OPPOSITION	K	H	D	M	T	HO	FF	FA	G	B
Preliminary Final, 2021	Colts	Swan Districts	6	2	8	5	1	7	0	0	3	1
Finals Week 2, 2021	Colts	East Perth	12	5	17	9	4	7	0	0	2	3
Finals Week 1, 2021	Colts	West Perth	4	0	4	2	1	0	0	0	0	1
Round 22, 2021	Colts	East Perth	12	5	17	9	2	4	0	1	3	0
Round 19, 2021	Colts	Subiaco	6	6	12	6	1	16	0	0	3	0
Round 18, 2021	Colts	South Fremantle	11	6	17	7	1	3	0	3	5	3
Round 14, 2021	Colts	Peel Thunder	7	10	17	5	1	18	2	0	1	2
Round 11, 2021	Colts	Perth	12	10	22	8	3	21	3	3	2	1
Round 9, 2021	Colts	South Fremantle	7	2	9	2	3	9	0	1	2	1
Round 8, 2021	Colts	Swan Districts	12	1	13	7	3	2	1	0	3	3

 

[Walkingwounded]

Josh Kennedy was never particularly athletic - Williams has got the size and smarts.

You mean this guy

No. 4, 2005 National Draft

He was selected by Carlton with pick four in the 2005 National Draft, held in November 2005.

Which incidentally was the first live pick, with the three prior being Priority Picks.

 

[Purpellian Anchor]

Josh ran 3.16s for his 20m in his combine testing but it should be noted that over a third of that time is just getting to the first 5m marker. This is why he is moving as much as possible, he can motor when already going.

yes true he can

 

[Purpellian Anchor]

You mean this guy

No. 4, 2005 National Draft

He was selected by Carlton with pick four in the 2005 National Draft, held in November 2005.

Which incidentally was the first live pick, with the three prior being Priority Picks.

yes

 

[Dayts]

Not sure why the carry on to move up the board to try land Callaghan. Got this bloke https://central.rookieme.com/afl/player/matthew-johnson/ in the back yard.
Fills the need for a big body mid, who is clean by foot and the kick too handball ration is elite. Can’t help but feel if he was a Vic kid he would be lock for top 10.

 

[Purpellian Anchor]

yes

The point im suggesting is that Williams might be better than many think rather than Kennedy was not quick -- groannnn

 

[Purple Suit]

You mean this guy

No. 4, 2005 National Draft

He was selected by Carlton with pick four in the 2005 National Draft, held in November 2005.

Which incidentally was the first live pick, with the three prior being Priority Picks.

Priority picks are still live picks though. He was the 4th best kid without any discounts or FS multi picks stuff that they have now. Being Priority is irrelevant.

 

[Purpellian Anchor]

A little bit more looking through this - dare I say it "athleticism" is mentioned and basketball background. Have been saying I think Williams has Kennedy attributes.

 

[JammoMonty]

Whispers were 2 and 13 for 6 & 8 with GWS.

Assume Callaghan and Amiss targetted.

Seems a but counter productive trading for another highly touted vic kid post Cerra.

Tis trading down, regardless of actual spots moved.

6 and 8 for 2 and 13 sounds too good to be true, GWS would want 19 chucked in.

6 & 8 on the table and that’s it.

 

[JammoMonty]

Cobbler cats out of the bag on this trade scenario. Any chance Bell could trade Logue somehow…for a lawnmower?

 

[Cobbler]

Cobbler cats out of the bag on this trade scenario. Any chance Bell could trade Logue somehow…for a lawnmower?

Hard to sell low.
Just needs a solid preseason, bit of luck with injury, rid himself of brain fades, learn some basics and hope others remain injured so he gets some games.

If he can do all of that I see no reason why he can’t work up to a satisfactory player who plays 28 more games for Fremantle.

 

[SiempreFreo]

Funny was just reading Williams' draft profile:

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...and it would strengthen our Irish connection

 

[Lach72]

Trying to convince myself there is some way we could pull that deal off without giving up 19 and the only thing I can say we have going for it is if GWS were intent on moving down from 2, I think we realistically can provide the best value.

There are only two other clubs with the ability and possible desire to move up to that pick IMO, Hawks and Richmond. Don’t see GWS preferring 5 and 21 from the Hawks and I think Richmond would probably prefer 7 and 15 for where they are at, with the exception being if they can find someone to trade a teens pick for some package of lower picks (which seems unlikely)

TLDR: I think 6 and 8 for 2 and 13 is still probably the most attractive deal GWS can get, doesn’t meant theI’ll do that trade

its not that bad a deal for GWS.

their board and needs may differ greatly from ours.

if they want say Andrew and Rachele then 13 isn’t going to get that done

 

[Purple Jesus]

ALL VERY INTERESTING TO COMPARE EVEN IF MCDONALD PLAYED MAINLY LEAGUE --- NOTE WILLIAMS AGE

Logan McDonald 2020. dob 04/04/2002 38 sc/shts
LAST 10 MATCHES

ROUND	GRADE	OPPOSITION	K	H	D	M	T	HO	FF	FA	G	B
Finals Week 1, 2020	League	West Perth	3	6	9	0	2	0	0	1	0	1
Round 9, 2020	League	South Fremantle	5	3	8	3	1	0	2	0	1	3
Round 8, 2020	League	Swan Districts	4	2	6	3	1	0	0	1	3	1
Round 7, 2020	League	Subiaco	5	3	8	3	0	0	1	0	3	1
Round 6, 2020	League	Claremont	7	5	12	4	3	0	1	1	2	1
Round 5, 2020	League	West Perth	11	4	15	6	1	0	2	0	3	2
Round 4, 2020	League	East Fremantle	9	3	12	6	2	0	1	2	2	1
Round 2, 2020	League	East Perth	9	6	15	7	0	0	0	0	4	0
Round 1, 2020	League	Peel Thunder	10	6	16	4	1	0	3	1	3	2
Round 20, 2019	Colts	Peel Thunder	12	1	13	5	5	0	0	0	3	2

JACOB VAN ROOYEN dob 16/04/2003. 46. sc/shts
LAST 10 MATCHES

ROUND	GRADE	OPPOSITION	K	H	D	M	T	HO	FF	FA	G	B
Grand Final, 2021	Colts	Swan Districts	7	5	12	3	0	1	2	1	4	0
Finals Week 2, 2021	Colts	Swan Districts	9	4	13	5	1	2	3	0	4	4
Finals Week 1, 2021	Colts	East Perth	5	2	7	4	4	0	0	0	3	0
Round 22, 2021	Colts	Swan Districts	6	1	7	4	2	0	1	1	2	1
Round 19, 2021	Colts	Perth	15	7	22	7	2	0	1	2	5	3
Round 18, 2021	Colts	Subiaco	14	8	22	9	4	0	2	1	6	2
Round 14, 2021	League	South Fremantle	1	1	2	1	0	0	0	0	0	0
Round 12, 2021	League	West Perth	5	1	6	4	2	0	0	3	1	0
Round 10, 2021	Colts	Peel Thunder	11	3	14	5	1	0	0	1	4	3
Round 8, 2021	Colts	East Perth	14	10	24	6	1	1	0	1	3	1

JACK WILLIAMS. dob 1/12/2003. 39 sc/shts
LAST 10 MATCHES

ROUND	GRADE	OPPOSITION	K	H	D	M	T	HO	FF	FA	G	B
Preliminary Final, 2021	Colts	Swan Districts	6	2	8	5	1	7	0	0	3	1
Finals Week 2, 2021	Colts	East Perth	12	5	17	9	4	7	0	0	2	3
Finals Week 1, 2021	Colts	West Perth	4	0	4	2	1	0	0	0	0	1
Round 22, 2021	Colts	East Perth	12	5	17	9	2	4	0	1	3	0
Round 19, 2021	Colts	Subiaco	6	6	12	6	1	16	0	0	3	0
Round 18, 2021	Colts	South Fremantle	11	6	17	7	1	3	0	3	5	3
Round 14, 2021	Colts	Peel Thunder	7	10	17	5	1	18	2	0	1	2
Round 11, 2021	Colts	Perth	12	10	22	8	3	21	3	3	2	1
Round 9, 2021	Colts	South Fremantle	7	2	9	2	3	9	0	1	2	1
Round 8, 2021	Colts	Swan Districts	12	1	13	7	3	2	1	0	3	3

JVR is the obvious standout.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

6 & 8 on the table and that’s it.

That's terrific, doesnt mean the trade deal gets done. You want to double up on a Parmi/pint bet =)

 

[Cobbler]

I’d bet my left nut GWS don’t trade pick 2 unless for serious overs and 2 and 13 for 6 and 8 isn’t close to overs. It’s pretty fair, so why would they do it?

I’ll maintain they use pick 2. Then when they decide it’s time to push the button will offer 13 and a future 1st for a pick around 5-10. That’s only if the player many believe they want (Andrew) is still on the board.

The fact we have 6 and 8 means we’re most likely to accept that offer. A) because we can still use a top 10 pick, B) a slide still offersa range of players we’d likely have targeted at 6 or 8 anyway, C) we will see a need to replenish picks for next year PLUS give us ammo should we go hard at someone.

Just my opinion.

 

[Purpellian Anchor]

I’d bet my left nut GWS don’t trade pick 2 unless for serious overs and 2 and 13 for 6 and 8 isn’t close to overs. It’s pretty fair, so why would they do it?

I’ll maintain they use pick 2. Then when they decide it’s time to push the button will offer 13 and a future 1st for a pick around 5-10. That’s only if the player many believe they want (Andrew) is still on the board.

The fact we have 6 and 8 means we’re most likely to accept that offer. A) because we can still use a top 10 pick, B) a slide still offersa range of players we’d likely have targeted at 6 or 8 anyway, C) we will see a need to replenish picks for next year PLUS give us ammo should we go hard at someone.

Just my opinion.

thought your left nut had gone long ago on a previous bet , gotcha Cobbler.

 

[theGav56]

Do you think his aestheticism* rules him out of the genuine key forward calculations for most clubs?

*autocorrected to that, meant to say athleticism - it still made sense though.

My phone auto correct is out of control.

 

[JammoMonty]

That's terrific, doesnt mean the trade deal gets done. You want to double up on a Parmi/pint bet =)

You trying to bankrupt me?

 

[Taylor]

You trying to bankrupt me?

It sounds like you can't lose.

 

[freo1997]

I hope we look at Constable or Greg Clark to fill a spot on our list.

Jordan Clark

6

Jordan Clark

Age

24

Ht

185cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.7

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

4.3

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.6

4star

MG

172.0

3star

D

12.5

3star

K

8.5

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

172.0

3star

D

12.2

3star

K

10.4

4star

HB

1.8

2star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.4

4star

is an upgrade on Wilson. Will Brodie

17

Will Brodie

Age

26

Ht

190cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.0

5star

K

8.2

3star

HB

10.8

5star

M

3.1

3star

T

4.9

5star

CL

4.1

5star

D

14.0

3star

K

4.0

1star

HB

10.0

5star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.0

2star

CL

3.0

4star

D

13.8

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

5.4

5star

CL

2.8

5star

who's nowhere at the Cerra level is at least a big body mid replacement for him.

With Fyfes new injury issues i would look at Constable or Greg Clark as extra depth. Fyfe is irreplaceable as we all know..but Acres is soft, Valente could be an option but he's a bit of an unknown and Blakely turns it over.

190cm plus mids are always handy to have imo.