List Mgmt. 2021 List Management

[Blue__Balls]

Option 1
Total money ball idea..
But on reflection would prefer an competitive #1st Ruck... I'm on the record of wanting TDK to play as a CHF #2nd Ruck

Chol - Yes, like the idea could be used as #1st or #2nd Ruck or as a KPD... From Hardwicks comments, don't think they will let him go..
Stanley - (Ducks for cover) Could be a good option for a few years whilst Mircov gets fit enough
Ratugolea - Doubt he would leave the Cats, but could be a good #2nd Ruck to team well with TDK

Option 2
Is a safe option, Callaghan will be a gun

Option 3
Yes is risky.. But could be a masterstroke..
High Possibility that all 4 would still be available..

1. Josh Ward - 2 way running inside mid with excellent skills that has high leadership qualities..
2. Arlo Draper - Indigenous midfielder that can kick goals and reportedly has major X factor..
3. Jye Amiss - Kicked 40 goals in 10 games, with bags of 3 x 5 and 1 x 7 goals
4. Mac Andrew - High leaping Ruck/ Forward, who is equally good at ground level... Melbourne NGA prospect but can't match in top 20 picks..

Option 4
Moneyball KPP
Ballenden - KPD who is behind others at the Lions and is performing well in the VFL... Comes from a very good defensive system..
Kreguer - KPD who is behind others at the Cats and is performing well in the VFL... Comes from a very good defensive system..
Riccardi - Is a swingman KPP, hasn't been great at AFL level... But has had no continuity of games either...
Talia - Could release Jones as 3rd tall interceptor for a couple of years while we develop a young KPD

Gripe
Why does everyone say that FS picks will push our picks back so they are worth less??
FS and to an extent academy picks are players that aren't available to others anyway..
Picks 3 or 6 are still the 3rd or 6th best available players anyway

Option 2 I was coming at more from the perspective of GC. They're even more limited with their selections because they need to target players who they are confident won't want to jump ship within 2 years. So if there's someone at 3 who they think will stay, but nobody else between 4 and 9, then that Pick 6 is either a kid who they probably won't keep or a kid who should have been taken even later. But if there's nobody in the top 5 on talent who they think will stick it out, then a drop from 3 to 6 may not change who they draft, and the trade then gets them a free hit at another player (ie. Setterfield) in the process. So yeah, player dependent is what I'm getting at, and I don't know enough about the kids to know which way it might lean.

Don't mind any of your Option 4 names, Ballenden and Riccardi my preferred options of those. Would like Chol ahead of all of them though.

On the Gripe. It comes up every year. The F/S academy kids are effectively "out of the pool" for other clubs, so yeah they don't change who they can take. But if you take a year like 2016 - and hypothetically say "what if McGrath and Taranto were tied to clubs through academy or F/S", then Pick 3 is getting you Setterfield or SPS. Because they weren't linked to clubs, Pick 3 secured McCluggage instead. Again though, it's all linked to the names. In 2017 the same assessment would have Pick 3 getting Cerra instead of Dow

 

[morningbrown]

Gotta say I honestly thought Talia had retired.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Gripe
Why does everyone say that FS picks will push our picks back so they are worth less??
FS and to an extent academy picks are players that aren't available to others anyway..
Picks 3 or 6 are still the 3rd or 6th best available players anyway

I think it’s because there is only a limited talent pool and every one that is taken out makes it even smaller. it’s not like soccer where there is talent all over the world to chase, it’s a very small pool to pick 22 players for 18 teams from.

Edit. I think you’re looking from it the wrong way. almost like these players are just added extra talent to a years talent pool but they aren’t, they are the pool.
If Weitering’s dad for instance had played a 100 games for Collingwood then We take Schache and probably not bothered with McKay. It changes everything just because 1 player is aligned to a club. The talent pool stays the same but what is available is completely different.

 

[Wickzki]

Would this outcome make the majority of us happy come December?

2021
First pick KPD (Jones role)
Second pick sml fwd (Eddie role)
Third pick lockdown sml defender (Simpson role)
Fourth (a steal that's slid through)

2022
First or second +, for a decent wingman traded in.

Just wondering if this roughly ticks the box for most?

Re: Small forward -- we drafted Durdin with a view for this. We have a few small forwards progressing in the VFL. Do not need to throw picks away.

Never draft for need. The easiest way to ruin your draft is to draft for need. It's far too short-sighted. If you're relying on an 18-year-old to fill a need, especially beyond the first round, then the likelihood of success is low.

Trade for your needs and get mature AFL bodies in there who can play the role required of them immediately.

If you end up with surplus through drafting best available then you have trade assets if they develop properly.

 

[Blue_Steel89]

We need to draft a KPD in preparation for Jones to retire in the coming 2-5 years

 

[Thehurdle]

He has a lot more elite qualities compared to most of our mids and can't think of one, that has better footskills

JMO

Carlton’s Football Operations and Compliance manager, Len Villani agrees - at least at the time of the draft: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader...t/news-story/8a110b3021d8c55b4b4c394a74a79063

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

It grates me every time Touk Miller plays well, in 2014 we were a team crying out for leadership, Touk was captain of Calder Cannons flag and Vic Metro, a midfielder who had slid down after being highly rated.. and at pick 28 we took Dillon Viojo- Rainbow.. Miller taken by Gold Coast at pick 29 was exactly the type of player we needed, and I think we would be a completely different side right now had we taken him.

 

[Blue Pride]

I'd love to somehow manufacture 3 picks inside the top 30 this year.

As it stands we have 2 (our 1st and 2nd rounders).

If we could somehow move Setterfield, McGovern and Gibbons for picks that we could then combine for a pick in the late 20s (if a club wants points for academy of father-sons) that would be ideal in my book.

Would love a genuine winger (Callaghan), a genuine small forward to replace Eddie and a young KPF.
Keep our 4th rounder to match a late bid on Charlie McKay to round out our 4 draftees.

I'd be hesitant to part ways with any picks this off-season, we need a consistent stream of young talent coming through the door every season, especially after only taking 2 picks after #35 last year.

I’d trade next years into this year and keep doing it year in year out. Live in debt.

 

[Bfevola]

This years draft is apparently not very good.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

It grates me every time Touk Miller plays well, in 2014 we were a team crying out for leadership, Touk was captain of Calder Cannons flag and Vic Metro, a midfielder who had slid down after being highly rated.. and at pick 28 we took Dillon Viojo- Rainbow.. Miller taken by Gold Coast at pick 29 was exactly the type of player we needed, and I think we would be a completely different side right now had we taken him.

I wanted Menadue bad. At the time we still had prime Murphy, Gibbs and Curnow plus had just drafted Cripps I can understand why we didn’t. He was sort of abit one paced/slowish and small while not getting big numbers. Unfortunately though he was probably never even on our radar as we were chasing outside players.

 

[TENACIOUS]

It grates me every time Touk Miller plays well, in 2014 we were a team crying out for leadership, Touk was captain of Calder Cannons flag and Vic Metro, a midfielder who had slid down after being highly rated.. and at pick 28 we took Dillon Viojo- Rainbow.. Miller taken by Gold Coast at pick 29 was exactly the type of player we needed, and I think we would be a completely different side right now had we taken him.

Is a FA next year, would love to chase him...
But, kind of hope he stays at Gold Coast they really need to start retaining their players...

 

[TENACIOUS]

Woah..
Reported North Melbourne have offered Josh Kelly, $8.8m over 8 years...
Not even in the top 10 players in the comp..

Can cross him off our list Josh Kelly

 

[Manhattanite]

Woah..
Reported North Melbourne have offered Josh Kelly, $8.8m over 8 years...
Not even in the top 10 players in the comp..

Can cross him off our list Josh Kelly

Wouldn’t that be less than they offered him two years ago and only a little above his current deal with the giants? He probably grew up a north fan on account of his old man - he should take the money as it’s unlikely he will see much success at the Giants anyway




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[Stiffler's Dad]

Woah..
Reported North Melbourne have offered Josh Kelly, $8.8m over 8 years...
Not even in the top 10 players in the comp..

Can cross him off our list Josh Kelly

Drunk at the wheel!!!

 

[Jeremias]

Woah..
Reported North Melbourne have offered Josh Kelly, $8.8m over 8 years...
Not even in the top 10 players in the comp..

Can cross him off our list Josh Kelly

Lots of players move to better placed clubs for less money. How many times does it have to have happened to us over the past few years for people to realize it? It's a big offer, but I wouldn't be so sure that he'll take it.

Other clubs (including Carlton if we're keen) very much still in the picture.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Woah..
Reported North Melbourne have offered Josh Kelly, $8.8m over 8 years...
Not even in the top 10 players in the comp..

Can cross him off our list Josh Kelly

They need to do something to stay relevant, that sort of $ would have been on the table for H I have no doubt.

 

[Jeremias]

If I was him and wanted to come back to Melbourne, I'd take the money
or possibly take unders for a Melbourne or Bulldogs team...

But you’re not him. It’s as simple as that.

How many footballers in recent memory have taken the money?

Plus we aren't in a much better place than North at the minute, there is no way he'd take significant unders to come here..

Oh please. We’re in a much better position than North.

I get that you’re embracing the negativity but to suggest otherwise is just plain wrong.

 

[BringFevBack2021]

It grates me every time Touk Miller plays well, in 2014 we were a team crying out for leadership, Touk was captain of Calder Cannons flag and Vic Metro, a midfielder who had slid down after being highly rated.. and at pick 28 we took Dillon Viojo- Rainbow.. Miller taken by Gold Coast at pick 29 was exactly the type of player we needed, and I think we would be a completely different side right now had we taken him.

DVR is from the same suburb as me, a friend of mine was his mate and told me during his draft year he was an ordinary footballer who played selfishly in the TAC to get drafted. Always took the longest kick on, so he could get high meters gained and it had a higher chance to be an effective disposal. Piss poor attitude too. Was shattered when we drafted him.

To compound this, my (another) friend was at Calder then during S&C (yep, same friend who works at a big four club now, albeit for the women) for them and he spoke very highly of Miller.

Was SOS our list manager then? Very, very poor pick that one.

 

[Arr0w]

This years draft is apparently not very good.

It's strong and deep

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

DVR is from the same suburb as me, a friend of mine was his mate and told me during his draft year he was an ordinary footballer who played selfishly in the TAC to get drafted. Always took the longest kick on, so he could get high meters gained and it had a higher chance to be an effective disposal. Piss poor attitude too. Was shattered when we drafted him.

To compound this, my (another) friend was at Calder then during S&C (yep, same friend who works at a big four club now, albeit for the women) for them and he spoke very highly of Miller.

Was SOS our list manager then? Very, very poor pick that one.

No he wasn’t.

 

[Curnivore]

Cerra has elite midfielder qualities and continues to improve each year

So did Fisher. I’d love Cerra, I’d happily pay him overs financially, but not for one of SPS Fisher or even Dow AND a first going out. Depending on our draft pick this year I’d give up two firsts.

 

[Arr0w]

So did Fisher. I’d love Cerra, I’d happily pay him overs financially, but not for one of SPS Fisher or even Dow AND a first going out. Depending on our draft pick this year I’d give up two firsts.

We had a chance to take Cerra, but the cost in picks would be overs now, I wouldn't give up 2 firsts for Cerra

Dow and a future 1st? Yeah I would do that do that deal

 

[The Return of the Paf]

We had a chance to take Cerra, but the cost in picks would be overs now, I wouldn't give up 2 firsts for Cerra

Dow and a future 1st? Yeah I would do that do that deal

SPS and our first for Cerra and their third is about as much as I'd consider, but it would be conditional and a few things have to play out, first. I don't want to give up next year's first instead because it will probably be a better draft year, for all we know. I don't trust the rhetoric either way regarding the strengths and weaknesses of particular drafts, I'd rather trust my own deductive reasoning.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

I am just not interested in Cerra, just doesn’t do it for me. TBH would rather go back to the draft, you see the excitement and immediate impact young top 10 mids have in a side..

with Charlie Curnow back, Kemp fit and a top 10 mid we will have an automatic mini reboot.

 

[Cripptonite]

Think Cerra would be a good get but only at the right price (both $ and trade capital). I’m expecting Dow and Carroll to feature as starting midfielders soon. We have the potential for Stocker Williams and/or Kemp to be midfielders. Then we have Setterfield and Kennedy if they kick on. The cupboard is not as bare as it looked earlier this season imo.

No doubt Cerra would be a great addition but I hope we don’t go crazy giving away top 10 picks and $750k contracts. Only if SPS really wanted out then maybe he and a 2nd rounder for Cerra sounds about right.

IMO our approach should be to use our first round picks at the draft. Try to add some depth via cheap mature pickups especially a KPD.

I think LOB will probably want out at season’s end considering he attracted some interest last year and hasn’t had a run in the seniors this year. Also the rumours of SPS heading home make me think we may free up some cap space that way.