List Mgmt. 2021 List Management

[Arr0w]

You’re the one bringing up other names, I’m concentrating on what I think Gibbons' ability was and that’s not quite at the level to be a good AFL footballer IMO. As will be evidenced by him not being picked up elsewhere and the fact he was overlooked for years

If he had a 12 month contract then I’d be fine with him staying, like Fogarty. If his performance level stayed the same then I’d just delist him next season instead

Point is, long term, he wasn’t of the standard to be a keeper unfortunately, same with the other blokes you mentioned (I still have hope for Owies but that’s a personal preference)

*SPS still had trade value, Gibbons was delisted, bit of a difference there

Have you had this debate with others that suggested we should keep Gibbo ahead of other players? Go target someone else

You stated the criteria, and I responded, yet now you only want to narrow the discussion

If you can't see why we have delisted certain players, OOC, while retaining others that are contracted, you have missed the point completely

 

[Justnetime]

Time will tell on Gibbons Like others before him. Let’s see who picks him up and how well he plays.

 

[Salt Lake Cities]

Have you had this debate with others that suggested we should keep Gibbo ahead of other players? Go target someone else

You stated the criteria, and I responded, yet now you only want to narrow the discussion

If you can't see why we have delisted certain players, OOC, while retaining others that are contracted, you have missed the point completely

As usual you resort to talking above people, standard move. No idea why you do it because a lot of what you have to say is quality

Of course I can ****ing see why he was delisted today, it’s what happens to players that are out of contract, deemed not good enough and have no takers on the open market

If he had a contract for next year then so be it, he would’ve just been delisted 12 months later

Whether he’s above 1 or 2 that are still in contract is irrelevant though as he wasn’t

His time is up and I for one won’t miss your incessant need to defend him against people who simply didn’t see what you did

 

[Arr0w]

As usual you resort to talking above people, standard move. No idea why you do it because a lot of what you have to say is quality

Of course I can ******* see why he was delisted today, it’s what happens to players that are out of contract, deemed not good enough and have no takers on the open market

If he had a contract for next year then so be it, he would’ve just been delisted 12 months later

Whether he’s above 1 or 2 that are still in contract is irrelevant though as he wasn’t

His time is up and I for one won’t miss your incessant need to defend him against people who simply didn’t see what you did

Your targeting is so predictable

You kicked off this interaction yeah?

Standard targeting, of one posters while ignoring others that have a similar view?

"Whether he’s above 1 or 2 that are still in contract is irrelevant though as he wasn’t" Purely an opinion, no statistical evidence

Jog on

 

[GordonBlue]

It's a good sign when we start delisting players that have some ability..usually we have plenty to delist at this time of year..spots will have to be fought for, not just given to a player with a bit of a profile.
something we have needed for a long time.

Brilliant point. Too used to think our delistings are obvious. Now, I am thinking it's a sign that someone like Gibbons could be delisted, where only a year ago he was in our best 22, we are a much improved team.

 

[Foucault1989]

Brilliant point. Too used to think our delistings are obvious. Now, I am thinking it's a sign that someone like Gibbons could be delisted, where only a year ago he was in our best 22, we are a much improved team.

I don't know. I always like Gibbons. He is crafty and creative, a natural footballer who makes things happen. I'd have him above Cottrell, Owies, Boyd and McDonald.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

The issue is Senior list spots. We have already added 6 (Hewett, Cerra, Young, 3 x ND), and we have only removed 3 (Murphy, Casboult, SPS). Betts doesn't count because he was a rookie, ditto Cottrell.

We still had to find another 3, and the only 3 uncontracted are Gibbons, Ramsay and LOB. So here we are. As of right now, we still have 1 Senior too many - and everyone is contracted except LOB. I suspect they are holding him in case we trade out a contracted player... but if we don't, he too looks to be gone.

LOB might be delisted and re-rookied, but it is conceivable that if he nominates for the National Draft, he won't be there for us to pick up. The "protected Senior-to-rookie" pathway than Kennedy took last year as part of the AFL's list reductions does not exist this year - we are back to the old rules.

I can't say I like it - Gibbons in particular is far from our worst - but for all the wailing about the state of our list, there seems to be a universal reluctance (on BF anyway) to actually part with anyone. We had to do something, and this writing has been on the wall for a long time. Ramsay/Gibbons were only ever going to stay if something catastrophic happened, like complete failure of the Cerra deal.

Marchbank onto the rookie list will open up the last spot…

 

[Salt Lake Cities]

You kicked off this interaction yeah?
Standard targeting, of one posters while ignoring others that have a similar view?

"Whether he’s above 1 or 2 that are still in contract is irrelevant though as he wasn’t" Purely an opinion, no statistical evidence

Jog on

"as he wasn’t"…. IN CONTRACT!!!!

That’s a fact!!

It’s the actual fact that you presented as the reason he got delisted today

I thought I seen a softening stance on Gibbons from you towards the end of the season, that’s why your post piqued my interest and I replied to it. Should’ve known better…

ASICS on and I’m off to enjoy a jog on a balmy October Tassie night, thanks for the suggestion…

 

[Arr0w]

I don't know. I always like Gibbons. He is crafty and creative, a natural footballer who makes things happen. I'd have him above Cottrell, Owies, Boyd and McDonald.

Salt Lake Cities ?

 

[No1Suspect]

To be honest wasn't too impressed with Cerra's highlight reel.

I seen more targets hit up i50 in 4 minutes than i did watching carlton for the entire season.

 

[David C]

Upgraded rookies only count for 1 of the 3. You still need to draft 2 players in the ND, no matter how many rookies you upgrade.

First time I've heard that one. Where did you hear that?

 

[Salt Lake Cities]

Salt Lake Cities ?

You want me to rank the bottom of our list? Ok then…

I’d have him above Boyd and Cottrell, on par with Owies, below McDonald due to our lack of KPP (Young just replaced Cas and we were short last season, I’d keep OMac for this reason)

How’d I go? (Knowing you have Gibbons above Owies)

 

[David C]

There is an AFL rule that states you can only retain 3 Category A rookies from the previous season on the rookie list.

By the end of the season we had 8 due to the 2 picks in the MSD.

We have only lost Eddie Betts off the rookie list so far, so we sit at 7.

Kennedy, Honey and Mirkov all have contracts.
Parks, Cottrell, Boyd & McDonald do not.

Unless we upgrade Kennedy and/or Honey, we will have to cut all 4 players without contracts.
We have the option to re-rookie them with the three vacancies we create.

I think Kennedy gets upgraded and takes that 3rd live ND pick, and we draft 2 kids.
This will mean that we can retain one of the four rookies above, I feel it would be Parks or Boyd.

The other 3 will be cut, at least for first list lodgement, with the potential to be re-rookied. Although it doesn't usually happen for rookies, more for senior list demotions.

As a Cat B Rookie, Owies sits outside of this. Is allowed one more year on the Cat B list, so its a no brainer to retain him there for one more season.

There is an AFL rule that states you can only retain 3 Category A rookies from the previous season on the rookie list.

Sounds like BS to me. Happy to be proved wrong. Over to you.

 

[Arr0w]

You want me to rank the bottom of our list? Ok then…

I’d have him above Boyd and Cottrell, on par with Owies, below McDonald due to our lack of KPP (Young just replaced Cas and we were short last season, I’d keep OMac for this reason)

How’d I go? (Knowing you have Gibbons above Owies)

Pretty accurate, apart from Owies IMHO (statistically and the eye test)

So you agree it was a contract decision, rather than retaining the better player? FMD

I stated recently, that Gibbo was in trouble due to contract status, not a softening of opinion

Realist

Now, can we move on?

 

[Bletch]

Marchbank onto the rookie list will open up the last spot…

Can't move him to the rookie list before the National Draft this year.

 

[gunslingr]

Yeah, not sure if Fisher counts, I like Fish but he plays up the ground more than a traditional crumbing small forward. Owies kicked goals with limited Opportunity and delivered when the team didn't. I found him more reliable as a pure goalkicker than Fish.

That's true and probably one of the more frustrating things about Fisher this year - he had too many attempts from around 50 when he needed to be closer. Possibly has the quickest hands/reaction time in the team and really needed to be crumbing rather than approaching the 50, lurching left, lurching left some more to add 5 -10 metres to his distance, and then shanking it (left) cos at that point he's just trying to get ball to boot

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Can't move him to the rookie list before the National Draft this year.

Is this something that has changed to previous years?

 

[BlueTongue]

That's true and probably one of the more frustrating things about Fisher this year - he had too many attempts from around 50 when he needed to be closer. Possibly has the quickest hands/reaction time in the team and really needed to be crumbing rather than approaching the 50, lurching left, lurching left some more to add 5 -10 metres to his distance, and then shanking it (left) cos at that point he's just trying to get ball to boot

Yes he has lightning instincts and reflexes, but it's his decision making that lets him down at the end of the chain.
He'll hunt and win the ball, evade a tackle or two, then elect to give it to someone under pressure rather than take the shot, or as you say, take a snap from further out than he needs to.

 

[thylacine60]

Time will tell on Gibbons Like others before him. Let’s see who picks him up and how well he plays.

wouldna thought anyone be pickin up young gibbo...........

 

[F_therest]

Yeah, not sure if Fisher counts, I like Fish but he plays up the ground more than a traditional crumbing small forward. Owies kicked goals with limited Opportunity and delivered when the team didn't. I found him more reliable as a pure goalkicker than Fish.

Fish needs a right foot if he's any chance of being a quality small forward.

It's a vital skill as small forwards will often find themselves pressured onto their non-preferred, and still need to be able to hit a target to generate a shot on goal or kick a goal themselves.

 

[BlueTongue]

Something SOS failed to identify in the first place. Drafting Carrol and Boyd gives me confidence Austin places priority on work ethic and being strong around the hips rather than being flashy with no substance.

Yep Petracca underscores that point

 

[Christou2Kouta]

I'm constantly surprised at how puny Dow is in the upper body. He does have strong legs and hips, but there's not enough mass and little will to tackle.

I suspect it's because he's had to put so much work into improving his aerobic base (which has been necessary) that he hasn't had the opportunity to build his upper body. Hopefully at some point he will have a sufficient foundation and he can change his conditioning focus to a strength/mass focus.

 

[TrueQldBlue]

Can't wait to see Carrol next year as I think this kid has potential...

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[norway blue]

That's true and probably one of the more frustrating things about Fisher this year - he had too many attempts from around 50 when he needed to be closer. Possibly has the quickest hands/reaction time in the team and really needed to be crumbing rather than approaching the 50, lurching left, lurching left some more to add 5 -10 metres to his distance, and then shanking it (left) cos at that point he's just trying to get ball to boot

Goal kicking and snaps fish needs to work on. How many times did we see it sail wide ..


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[Bletch]

Is this something that has changed to previous years?

Yep.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/659265/afl-confirms-2022-list-sizes-tweaks-rule-for-rookies