List Mgmt. 2021 NAB National AFL Draft

[Lore]

Scuse the intrusion folks. Thought you might like to have this resource in your thread

 

[Prochard123]

I still don't know for sure what the trade was.

Surely it has to be 36 for 52 (North received this pick from WBD originally, bumped up via Darcy bid) + future 3rd (WBD)?

 

[TradeDraft]

I still don't know for sure what the trade was.

Surely it has to be 36 for 52 (North received this pick from WBD originally, bumped up via Darcy bid) + future 3rd (WBD)?

 

[HFF]

So do we still hold 45 and 51 leading into to tomorrow night?

 

[partypie]

After sitting on it for an hour or so, seeing us get the best possible outcome with the Darcy and Daicos bids and likely only getting two picks in the 50's out of it is more than a little underwhelming, if it is the result from 6 weeks of planning.

We'll be hard pressed to get back into the mid-second round range where we might have been able to snatch a quality slider (or a Bazzo), but you'd have to think that might not be our intention now without that key early future third round pick I was hoping we'd find a way to trade into tonight.

I'm not excited about taking a swing on "value" picks in the 40's or 50's as we know how rarely they end up sticking.

 

[TradeDraft]

So do we still hold 45 and 51 leading into to tomorrow night?

At the moment we do

 

[Jafo]

Complete amateur hour by the AFL website not to have live updates of the draft order after trades and matched bids.

Nah. Just upholding the stand the mark rule

 

[Bay Pie]

Wait so what trade did we do?

Why does North have our pick 36? So we did 36 for 48 + WBD future 3rd or North future 3rd?

Didn't North give their future 3rd to WBD already?

Yep. Shit trade really.

We now have Hawthorn, Richmond, Brisbane and WBD 2022 3rd rounders.

 

[HFF]

After sitting on it for an hour or so seeing us get the best possible outcome with the Darcy and Daicos bids and likely only getting two picks in the 50's out of it is more than a little underwhelming, if it is the result from 6 weeks of planning.

Well be hard pressed to get back into the mid-second round range where we might have been able to snatch a quality spider (or a Bazzo), but you'd have to think that might not be our intention now without that key early future third round pick I was hoping we'd find a way to trade into tonight.

I'm not excited about taking a swing on "value" picks in the 40's or 50's as we know how rarely they end up sticking.

Firstly--it's an unknown n draft in many respects--so the value of picks isnt as high as it has been in previous drafts --which means it's quite level pegging for us with those picks in the 50s.

Secondly---what do you mean underwhelming?
We brought in our father son prodigy for less than we expected---we brought in our two trade targets--and we still hold our future first and 4 3rd rounders to go too.

We are very well placed to make moves in this coming draft or in next year's one, depending on the opportunities that present themselves.

 

[partypie]

Doggies? Didn't we trade with North?

Yes, but North and the Doggies flipped future 3rd round picks in the trade they did before ours.

It's all been confirmed - it's kinda disappointing to have 36 and 38 not be flipped into something more than 45 and a future 3rd likely to be in the 50's, but it is what it is now and we'll have have to work with the somewhat skinnier-than-hoped hand we now have.

 

[stormskye]

OK if it's 36 for 48 + future 3rd (WBD) that is one terrible trade.

In level of expectation given our past performances tho.

Ok, now it’s all been clarified, I’m with you, it’s a ? Trade…

 

[Pendles!]

The pick 36 trade seems underwhelming but also have to factor in that maybe that was the best offer. 4 R3 picks should be handy in next years draft.

 

[Prochard123]

Ok, now it’s all been clarified, I’m with you, it’s a ? Trade…

I mean like I said before, no surprise here, it's very clear that our list management team is the 2nd worst in the league only ahead of Gold Coast.

Even after Ned Guy left our trade performances this year across all but the Richmond trades have been super dodgy.

I don't even know how we are going to use 4x future 3rds. It sounds ok on paper, but if we can't subtract any decent value out of 36, 38, 40 (2x 2nd rounders + 1 early 3rd), then I sure don't expect those future 3rds to turn into anything meaningful for us tomorrow.

 

[swoop42]

Brisbane don't hold any 2021 2nd round selections so it's hard to know who else if anyone might be interested in a trade for multiple future 3rds this draft period.

Perhaps it's best we just hold them and see what opportunities arise next year.

 

[HFF]

I mean like I said before, no surprise here, it's very clear that our list management team is the 2nd worst in the league only ahead of Gold Coast.

Even after Ned Guy left our trade performances this year across all but the Richmond trades have been super dodgy.

I don't even know how we are going to use 4x future 3rds. It sounds ok on paper, but if we can't subtract any decent value out of 36, 38, 40 (2x 2nd rounders + 1 early 3rd), then I sure don't expect those future 3rds to turn into anything meaningful for us tomorrow.

There's academy players and father sons next year--which I am sure our 4 thirds would be quite enticing for those who have either or both.

 

[partypie]

Firstly--it's an unknown n draft in many respects--so the value of picks isnt as high as it has been in previous drafts --which means it's quite level pegging for us with those picks in the 50s.

Secondly---what do you mean underwhelming?
We brought in our father son prodigy for less than we expected---we brought in our two trade targets--and we still hold our future first and 4 3rd rounders to go too.

We are very well placed to make moves in this coming draft or in next year's one, depending on the opportunities that present themselves.

It's pretty simple - to be in the ideal position with the Daicos bid and only walk out with what started the night as a pick in the 50's and a future pick that will also likely be in the 50's is absolutely underwhelming.

We are not nearly as well placed as we would have been had we been able to secure a much better future 3rd - draft picks aren't like monopoly money so you generally don't get to trade in a bunch of low value picks for a higher value pick.

I had hoped we'd have something a bit more creative in mind coming in but it wasn't to be. I don't think we're trading back into the mid to late 20's to grab a quality slider now, so once again it looks like we'll be pinning our hopes on picks in the late 30's to mid 40's at best.

It is what it is though and there's no changing things now. Hopefully we can win the lottery and grab someone in that pick range who will end up being a best 22 / 150 game player, although history points to the chances of that happening being pretty low.

 

[TradeDraft]

 

[TradeDraft]

 

[sr36]

We are not nearly as well placed as we would have been had we been able to secure a much better future 3rd

For a much better 3rd, we wouldn't have got back a pick in this draft. I would have thought that pick 45 and Doggies future third would be considered more valuable than an earlier 3rd?

The way I see it:

We started trade week with roughly the amount of points that Daicos ended up costing.

So all up so far, we've traded a future second and Lynch for Lipinski, Kreuger, two current thirds and 3 future thirds - Looks good to me. Will look great if we can find a suitor for all of those future thirds, either this year or next.

 

[swoop42]

Hine pretty much confirming we explored trade options with multiple clubs for pick 36 so you can only deduce that the Kangaroo offer was the best of the lot.

 

[domus]

I won't watch anymore of this draft. We hold a truly lousy hand.

 

[stormskye]

I think the clubs Twitter post with the draftees from last year kinda suggests we won’t be doing much. Seems they trying to temper expectations

 

[76woodenspooners]

OK if it's 36 for 48 + future 3rd (WBD) that is one terrible trade.

In level of expectation given our past performances tho.

The difference between 36 and 48 is 12 picks …

… but how many of those 12 picks got extinguished when WB bid for Darcy and we bid for Daicos?

Seems as though the difference wasn’t that great after all, and we picked up another 2022 third round by dropping back around 4 or 5 picks.

 

[slugger01]

But if it's pick 36 for 58 and Doggies 4th rounder - it's a terrible trade.

The trade was:
Out - Our pick 36 (worth 502 points)
In - Pick 48 (302 points) and Doggies 3rd rd Next year (worst scenario is doggies premiers, and their 3rd rd pick is pick 54 - worth 220 points)

So, worst case is that we gain 522 points, and give away 502 points.

A fair enough trade if you ask me. If we didn't, pick 36 would have been swallowed up with the Daicos bid.
This way, we get pick 54 next year at worst. Hope the Doggies fall, and the deal gets better.
Also, pick 48 this year already has come down to pick 45, as our bid matching for Daicos removed 3 positions on the draft table already.

Reasonable deal IMO.

 

[partypie]

For a much better 3rd, we wouldn't have got back a pick in this draft. I would have thought that pick 45 and Doggies future third would be considered more valuable than an earlier 3rd?

The way I see it:

We started trade week with roughly the amount of points that Daicos ended up costing.

So all up so far, we've traded a future second and Lynch for Lipinski, Kreuger, two current thirds and 3 future thirds - Looks good to me.

Once again this was just about tonight in isolation.

Bid matched for Daicos at pick 4? As good as we could have hoped.

Turning that position into 6-7 pick upgrade in the third round (still mid 40's) and a future pick likely to be in the 50's? Not so good.

I think there were some hopes we might have been able to do something bigger around picks 36 and 38, but we were obviously limited by time and an apparent lack of suitors.

Like I said though what's done is done and we just have to work with the hand we're left with now.

 

[Aussie pie]

So many list managers on here complaining about picks and trades blah blah blah. We got the best player in Australia at pick 4 along with a handful of future picks which for a club who has a FS or academy player next year we can trade and get much higher picks.
For me this has been all about Nick As for everything else let’s wait and see, maybe there a Dane Swan

Dane Swan

Age

40

Ht

185cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

26.9

5star

K

16.4

5star

HB

10.4

5star

M

5.9

5star

T

3.1

5star

CL

5.4

5star

No current season stats available

D

12.0

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.0

3star

out there waiting for us tomorrow.