Analysis 2021 trade thread

[mattsmob]

What’s max Lynch like? Unknown compared to cox and casboult…. Would that be a better option?
I like casboult’s ability to mark, but will he be able to help out in the ruck?

I like him more than Cox and Casboult but he could almost certainly get a better deal elsewhere. The way the Fort deal has been talked about I feel like it's more than likely he's the one we end up with.

 

[KennyP#42]

I like him more than Cox and Casboult but he could almost certainly get a better deal elsewhere. The way the Fort deal has been talked about I feel like it's more than likely he's the one we end up with.

I agree, I like he has the potential to inprove, but I guess it’s a flip of the coin, as the others are known values (to a degree)…
I think your right about fort, likely the safer option

 

[BangyBangy]

Tom Campbell from roos is way better then fort and Cox

Max Gawn from Dees is way better than Tom Campbell.

 

[mpal6]

Tom Campbell from roos is way better then fort and Cox

Ermm aren't you guys keeping him on limbo atm with no contract? May be you could delist him so we can rookie him.

 

[pod17]

Not seeing it re Fort. Cats were crying out for a ruckman over the past couple of years and he hasn't broken through despite mediocre internal competition. Whilst no world beaters, Cox and Casboult are proven at AFL level. Levi and McStay would form a pretty lethal pair in terms of contested marking ability.

Either one of them then dishes off to Rich for a long range goal - easy!

 

[jackess]

Not seeing it re Fort. Cats were crying out for a ruckman over the past couple of years and he hasn't broken through despite mediocre internal competition. Whilst no world beaters, Cox and Casboult are proven at AFL level. Levi and McStay would form a pretty lethal pair in terms of contested marking ability.

Either one of them then dishes off to Rich for a long range goal - easy!

I think Cox has proven not to be at AFL level and Casboult has proven that his career is on the decline. Fort has just had a decent VFL season, Casboult has just been delisted by a rabble of a club and Cox is likely to be delisted by another rabble.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Not seeing it re Fort. Cats were crying out for a ruckman over the past couple of years and he hasn't broken through despite mediocre internal competition.

What if different coaches have different game plans and Fort simply doesn't fit Chris Scott's game plan? Scott has proven he's not big on specialist rucks, routinely playing Blicavs there even over Stanley.

 

[Mighty Lions]

I actually think it is a good thing that we didn't go down the path of asking players to take a pay cut and then compromising the Cap for several years during "pay bacK"...we have taken our medicine and can go forward without that millstone.

We did ask them to take a pay cut in 2020 and they did take a pay cut.

 

[Lazza16]

Ceglar told by Hawks look around..........trade radio.....us? Sam Edmund the source

 

[blueiris]

Ceglar told by Hawks look around..........trade radio.....us? Sam Edmund the source

This is our man we should be chasing fantastic ruckman plays well against the best rucks

 

[jackess]

This is our man we should be chasing fantastic ruckman plays well against the best rucks

Would possibly be at the higher end of what we could afford. Maybe if they take CEY or ESmith off our hands

 

[Scubaveg]

Would possibly be at the higher end of what we could afford. Maybe if they take CEY or ESmith off our hands

They might take Smith and a third rounder?


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[Nunez]

Would possibly be at the higher end of what we could afford. Maybe if they take CEY or ESmith off our hands

Hawks were interested in Smith in his draft year.

 

[martinson]

Some of the rucks mentioned have been around the block a few times and also likely to make us slower if we want the 2 ruck system.

Ceglar has at least proven he can play in the ruck position.

What we need is someone like Fullarton who can mark and ruck.

Have we closed the book on bringing Fullarton up to speed ? He's more likely to improve than go backwards you would hope.

 

[BangyBangy]

Some of the rucks mentioned have been around the block a few times and also likely to make us slower if we want the 2 ruck system.

Ceglar has at least proven he can play in the ruck position.

What we need is someone like Fullarton who can mark and ruck.

Have we closed the book on bringing Fullarton up to speed ? He's more likely to improve than go backwards you would hope.

Thought he was contracted for 2022. Personally I think there's massive upside for Fullarton, whether he achieves it time will tell. Another preseason, bit more bulk & confidence to use it in marking contests, and time to improve in the ruck.

If both Lane & Smith move past him in 2022 then he might be in strife, again, that's another if.

In terms of what we need, I still think a pure ruck backup in case of injury to Big O. Ceglar is above that role, but would be a good problem to have if a trade is possible.

 

[pod17]

I think Cox has proven not to be at AFL level and Casboult has proven that his career is on the decline. Fort has just had a decent VFL season, Casboult has just been delisted by a rabble of a club and Cox is likely to be delisted by another rabble.

Fair points. I guess it depends on how we are planning on using the second ruck. If it is purely back up, Fort might be a solid option. Small sample size, but he has been beaten soundly (at least statistically) when playing as the number one man. VFL stats look solid, but they can be misleading. Without looking at the opponents, he might have been up against a couple of younger developing prospects that you would expect a 28 year old to have the better of.

If it is to spend more time forward with a couple of stints per quarter in the ruck, I'd say Casboult and Cox both have a body of work at AFL level that shows they could be effective for us. Their strong marking giving us another big target when games are getting strangled a bit really appeals.

All that said, if news of Ceglar being gettable is true, I'd take him over the three we've currently been linked to (salary availability permitting).

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Fair points. I guess it depends on how we are planning on using the second ruck. If it is purely back up, Fort might be a solid option. Small sample size, but he has been beaten soundly (at least statistically) when playing as the number one man. VFL stats look solid, but they can be misleading. Without looking at the opponents, he might have been up against a couple of younger developing prospects that you would expect a 28 year old to have the better of.

If it is to spend more time forward with a couple of stints per quarter in the ruck, I'd say Casboult and Cox both have a body of work at AFL level that shows they could be effective for us. Their strong marking giving us another big target when games are getting strangled a bit really appeals.

Now that Archie is gone, at minimum we're looking for a proper backup ruck, unless we plan to have Fullarton be the full-time ruck if Oscar ever gets injured or suspended, which I don't think would be wise. I wonder if we're actually looking for someone who can perform both roles though, since Fullarton hasn't fully established himself as the Hipwood replacement either. How does Ceglar go up forward? Haven't paid a lot of attention to that part of his game.

 

[BRAB]

Operation get Ceglar begins.

 

[BangyBangy]

Operation get Ceglar begins.

If we get him over the line would you say it's a bit of a feather in our cap?

 

[BRAB]

If we get him over the line would you say it's a bit of a feather in our cap?

Absolutely. Feathers everywhere

 

[lionsrules]

If we get him over the line would you say it's a bit of a feather in our cap?

More like a peacock

 

[Dalions]

Operation get Ceglar begins.

Can we afford the upward of 400k price tag?

 

[Dalions]

More like a peacock

They have pretty big feathers

 

[Nunez]

Can we afford the upward of 400k price tag?

Yes.

 

[BangyBangy]

Can we afford the upward of 400k price tag?

Also being linked (just via suitability) to Geelong and Collingwood by Matthew Lloyd. Hard to see either of those two clubs being able to afford that either. Especially Collingwood. Geelong might just sling him a cotton on franchise post career.

Might just stay at the Hawks.

Edit: It was the Doggies not Collingwood he was also linked to. Not a bad fit to be honest. But the Doggies cupboard in terms of draft picks is very bare.