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List Mgmt. 2022 AFL Draft & Rookie Draft
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Potential! He is very young too so he does have massive upside. One of those guys imo who considering the strike rate clubs have it’s almost a guess.
I would be happy with Phillipou, sub 3 second sprint, 6 ish minute 2km, fights hard for front position, really clean hands
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Basketball background too.
Your not wrongHimself, sometimes it’s the only way to have an intelligent conversation around here
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This is very true. Some thoughts that occur from it:
- Philp tested very well at the combine which resulted in recruiters pushing him right up their rankings. Would be nice if we got to see him put together a few months of footy to see those attributes on display.
- I found someone like a Will Hayward's demonstration of his vertical leap in the combine a helpful guide, coupled with his late season performances that he had something that would translate to AFL level.
- Aaron Joseph's excellent agility didn't help him find the footy much but it did help him to keep up with players who could find it and annoy the hell out of them.
- I can't find Paddy Dow's combine results anywhere but I wonder if his performance on the yo-yo test and 2km time trial would attract more scrutiny given how his career has panned out so far.
Dow didn't test due to a shoulder injury
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I'm a big fan too. Decent overhead, penetrating left foot (even when it's a clanger), hits the scoreboard, smooth mover, wins his own ball, and 191cm. My favourite part of his midfield game is that he waits to find a handball that puts his teammates into space rather than into a tackler. His forward craft and kicking into the forward line need some work but I'm encouraged by the fact that he has enough footy IQ to know when to bomb it long and when to look for a short pass in attacking transition. He could easily play fwd/mid for us Round 1 next year and still has massive upside.
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Disagree with your disagreement.
Top end talent is top end for a reason. Not sure why suppoters keep sprouting up this notion and getting seduced by "two very good players" in the top 20, especially considering our recent recruitment record. On what basis are you making this claim other than a pure hypothetical? What about the risk of recuriting 2 kids in the back end of top 20 picks who will likely have numerous question marks (hence they are not top 10..).
Just a quick analysis below for 2018 to 2021 draft around a best case scenario & worst case scenario (IMO) for 1 pick in the 5-10 range (left the top 5 out as we won't be picking there) v 2 in the 10-20 range.
2018
Best case: Ben King (6) v Butters (12) and Quaynor (13)
Worst case: Chayce Jones (9) / Tarryn Thomas (8) v Jackson Hately (14) and Ned McHenry (16)
Others picked in 5-10 range: Baily Smith, Connor Rozee, Nick Blakey
2019
Best case: Caleb Serong (8) v Kozzie Pickett (12) and Sam De Koning (19 - great pick)
Worst case: Liam Henry (9 - probably because we bid on him) v Kemp (17) and Philp (20)
Others picked in 5-10 range: Hayden Young, Tom Green
2020
Best case: Grainger-Barass (6) v Heath Chapman (14) and Ollie Henry (17)
Worst case: Nik Cox (8) v Conor Stone (15) and Ryan Angwin (18)
Others picked in 5-10 range: Archie Perkins, Elijah Hollands
2021
Best case: Josh Rachele (6) / Josh Gibcus (9) can't split them v Wangeneen-Milera (11) and Ben Hobbs (13)
Worst case: Jye Amiss (9) v Leek Aleer (15) and Kai Lohmann (20)
Others picked in 5-10 range: Gibcus, Ward
Based on that it's pretty clear to me we need to maximise our shot at the top 10, not trade further back. Whilst you can get some gems if you nail a pick in the 11-20 range (e.g. De Koning) more often than not the risk of butchering them is much higher.
Even to come out as winners with 2 picks in the 11-20 range you generally need one on the cusp of the top 10 (11-13) to pick up a player just shy of the top 10 like Butters, Pickett, Hobbs. Certainly not many winners with what you are proposing by going back to 18 and 19.
I can see why supporters get seudced by the "multiple picks in the top 20" and there is a time for it when you are trying to build ground up but not for us in our current state. Absolutely not worth the risk.
Trade up which is what Austin seems to be wanting to do.
Does the combine & testing have a “spatial awareness” component?
As in knowing who’s around, finding the option, knowing where everyone is at?
**** knows how u would test it but basically the “basketball player - 360 awareness”
As in knowing who’s around, finding the option, knowing where everyone is at?
**** knows how u would test it but basically the “basketball player - 360 awareness”
Add to this that he knows how to win the ball, uses it well and has the versability to play forward and kick goals. Averaged 28 disposals at SANFL u/18s with a mix of contested/uncontested, 1.5goals, 6 marks, 5.5 tackles and 144 ranking points. Great size and almost the youngest in the draft
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I didn’t word my original post very well, I would have thought they would be better off trading 12 and 19 to get up the order and then even trading 15 and 18.
Dont get me wrong, I like the idea from our perspective.
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You have lost me, if North want Cadman, no way they trade pick 1 to a club they think will take Cadman.
North like Cadman, but they like Sheezel more.
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Disagree with your disagreement.
Top end talent is top end for a reason. Not sure why suppoters keep sprouting up this notion and getting seduced by "two very good players" in the top 20, especially considering our recent recruitment record. On what basis are you making this claim other than a pure hypothetical? What about the risk of recuriting 2 kids in the back end of top 20 picks who will likely have numerous question marks (hence they are not top 10..).
Just a quick analysis below for 2018 to 2021 draft around a best case scenario & worst case scenario (IMO) for 1 pick in the 5-10 range (left the top 5 out as we won't be picking there) v 2 in the 10-20 range.
2018
Best case: Ben King (6) v Butters (12) and Quaynor (13)
Worst case: Chayce Jones (9) / Tarryn Thomas (8) v Jackson Hately (14) and Ned McHenry (16)
Others picked in 5-10 range: Baily Smith, Connor Rozee, Nick Blakey
2019
Best case: Caleb Serong (8) v Kozzie Pickett (12) and Sam De Koning (19 - great pick)
Worst case: Liam Henry (9 - probably because we bid on him) v Kemp (17) and Philp (20)
Others picked in 5-10 range: Hayden Young, Tom Green
2020
Best case: Grainger-Barass (6) v Heath Chapman (14) and Ollie Henry (17)
Worst case: Nik Cox (8) v Conor Stone (15) and Ryan Angwin (18)
Others picked in 5-10 range: Archie Perkins, Elijah Hollands
2021
Best case: Josh Rachele (6) / Josh Gibcus (9) can't split them v Wangeneen-Milera (11) and Ben Hobbs (13)
Worst case: Jye Amiss (9) v Leek Aleer (15) and Kai Lohmann (20)
Others picked in 5-10 range: Gibcus, Ward
Based on that it's pretty clear to me we need to maximise our shot at the top 10, not trade further back. Whilst you can get some gems if you nail a pick in the 11-20 range (e.g. De Koning) more often than not the risk of butchering them is much higher.
Even to come out as winners with 2 picks in the 11-20 range you generally need one on the cusp of the top 10 (11-13) to pick up a player just shy of the top 10 like Butters, Pickett, Hobbs. Certainly not many winners with what you are proposing by going back to 18 and 19.
I can see why supporters get seudced by the "multiple picks in the top 20" and there is a time for it when you are trying to build ground up but not for us in our current state. Absolutely not worth the risk.
Trade up which is what Austin seems to be wanting to do.
I like the idea of your post but I keep getting stuck on your 2021, worst case, Jye Amiss, the kid looks great.
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All good, take sheezel at 1 and Cadman at 2 if they get it. North should be going for a KPF, maybe they are keen on Sheezel and Jefferson, but you don’t let a team jump you and take a player you want, doesn’t make any sense.
As I said, they like Cadman, but prefer Sheezel more
Part of the deal for North to have picks 2 and 3, was giving up pick 1, which is a smart move
North have Larkey, and 3 ruckmen, all of which are decent resting forwards. Jones, Xerri and Comben who I rare the most
So the get Sheezel and then they can either take Wardlaw, Clark or Busslinger
I think it's a good strategy for North, as in any draft, there is never a clear standout for the number 1 pick
Well that’s kind of the point - that at worst (excluding players yet to play a game) you still get a highly promising player. Outside of one or two bowler picks the floor for our pick range is pretty damn high.
Phillipou is a big yes, can do it all. Much better prospect than Humphrey to me. Both have pretty high potential ceilings but Humphrey has a much lower floor for me. Meaning he could easily be a flop whereas I can't see Phillipou being anything less than a B grader in the AFL.
Probably true, it might be the deciding factor if it comes down to it.
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Agreed, me either. If we want the Mid/Fwd we're better of trading up a few places to land Philippou IMO.
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