List Mgmt. 2022 AFL Draft & Rookie Draft

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You mean like Jackson, Clark, Kelly, Dawson and countless others all of which were at strong, stable clubs? Or going the opposite way like Cerra, Tarranto, Hopper?

Dunkley in his draft year, advised clubs that if a non Melbourne club bid on him, the Swans would match it, as they were the only destinations he would feel comfortable. Now, with family in QLD, he is heading to that family support.

It's become more of a concern for all clubs.

Nothing to do with fear factor, it's about managing a probability or a possibility. Why risk it, unless he is undeniably ahead of others in the draft class

I really couldn't say whether Phillipou does a JHF, Cerra or Amon, but the industry "feel", is that he is a flight risk

Thats disappointing. I like him most for us. I would not draft him on that basis.
 

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You mean like Jackson, Clark, Kelly, Dawson and countless others all of which were at strong, stable clubs? Or going the opposite way like Cerra, Tarranto, Hopper?

Dunkley in his draft year, advised clubs that if a non Melbourne club bid on him, the Swans would match it, as they were the only destinations he would feel comfortable. Now, with family in QLD, he is heading to that family support.

It's become more of a concern for all clubs.


Nothing to do with fear factor, it's about managing a probability or a possibility. Why risk it, unless he is undeniably ahead of others in the draft class

I really couldn't say whether Phillipou does a JHF, Cerra or Amon, but the industry "feel", is that he is a flight risk

Kind of why I expect that the Gold Coast will take Hollands, to put with his brother to limit a go home factor. And he's obviously a good player in his own right.
 
You mean like Jackson, Clark, Kelly, Dawson and countless others all of which were at strong, stable clubs? Or going the opposite way like Cerra, Tarranto, Hopper?

Dunkley in his draft year, advised clubs that if a non Melbourne club bid on him, the Swans would match it, as they were the only destinations he would feel comfortable. Now, with family in QLD, he is heading to that family support.

It's become more of a concern for all clubs.

Nothing to do with fear factor, it's about managing a probability or a possibility. Why risk it, unless he is undeniably ahead of others in the draft class

I really couldn't say whether Phillipou does a JHF, Cerra or Amon, but the industry "feel", is that he is a flight risk

Nah, look at who the “big” clubs from Melbourne have drafted from interstate and how many have they lost, that they’ve wanted to keep, as a flight risk early in their careers?

Players leaving later and have already spent many years at the club don’t count. You usually get good compo for those especially if they are contracted.

It just doesn’t happen, or incredibly rarely.

Essendon and us have been putrid for 20 years, we’ve lost no one of note. Collingwood, Richmond?


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Nah, look at who the “big” clubs from Melbourne have drafted from interstate and how many have they lost, that they’ve wanted to keep, as a flight risk early in their careers?

Players leaving later and have already spent many years at the club don’t count. You usually get good compo for those especially if they are contracted.

It just doesn’t happen, or incredibly rarely.

Essendon and us have been putrid for 20 years, we’ve lost no one of note. Collingwood, Richmond?


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Think you are missing my point

Never said all players drafted away from home are flight risks
 

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It's all relative to where and what you see the player becoming at the next level, not so much what they are producing now and certainly not where phantom drafts have them falling

And not one single talent identifier has a strike rate better than 2 of 3 picks, even less in terms of picking the best player available at each selection.
Not sure if they do or not...
But, from afar it looks like recruiting is still in the dark ages, of notepads and whiteboards...

You'd think in this day and age, clubs would have talent databases, on all AFL/State Leagues/U18's players statistics and attributes...
Would allow recruiters to cherry pick players of need... Maybe this is what Champion Data is?
 
Not sure if they do or not...
But, from afar it looks like recruiting is still in the dark ages, of notepads and whiteboards...

You'd think in this day and age, clubs would have talent databases, on all AFL/State Leagues/U18's players statistics and attributes...
Would allow recruiters to cherry pick players of need... Maybe this is what Champion Data is?

Kids are tracked from an early age and while it is a body of work over a couple of years, they look for improvement, unless they are carrying or had an injury

Yes, there are databases clubs use, but it's still about the eye, as you can't simulate the same situation for every player, or the same type of player
 
Nothing wrong with Stocker. Club make a weak decision.
We should embrace difference and confidence … after all these cookie cutter robots haven’t exactly been a huge success …
I love(d) the idea of Liam Stocker, the footballer. Reaching this point is up there with missing finals at the death. The bloke is never going to realise his potential. He lives by his own “rules” and does not buy in to team ethos. Recent interview dismissing talk of fitness issues with statement that he ran a 6.30 something 2km pre season. In his mind a mid range standard ten months earlier justified his “abilities”. Other social media club clips showed him with a basically arrogant open stance, laid back saying his piece. Numerous reports of putting team mates offside with attitude both personally and professionally.

How many of the boys do you think quote a historic time reference to justify their physical performance standards. The overwhelming majority are looking to the next time trial and working towards a personal best. Many of us lament the retention of Ed Curnow, but we know he will attack preseason and attempt to compete with his usurper Cotts on the track or to maintain or regain his ascendency over little brother Charlie. An AFL player, particularly a developing one should not be spruiking attaining a minimum standard as being acceptable.

I hate that Stocker is gone, but to suggest the club made a “weak decision” is so far off the mark. They made a very hard, strong decision for the benefit of the group. They have released a kid who could be a “generational player”. Anecdotally many officials and players made the effort to motivate him. Too happy in his own skin, he is more concerned about his social media followers and creating and maintaining a persona.

He doesn’t have the make up to grab the bit between his teeth and excel at another club. He may dig in for a period, but unfortunately will revert to type. His issues are known, and there is no guarantee he gets the opportunity.
 
Kind of why I expect that the Gold Coast will take Hollands, to put with his brother to limit a go home factor. And he's obviously a good player in his own right.

Wonder what it would take to get pick 5 off them if that were the case.

Would presumably land us Humphrey or Tsatas, they wouldn't have to reach for Hollands.
 
I love(d) the idea of Liam Stocker, the footballer. Reaching this point is up there with missing finals at the death. The bloke is never going to realise his potential. He lives by his own “rules” and does not buy in to team ethos. Recent interview dismissing talk of fitness issues with statement that he ran a 6.30 something 2km pre season. In his mind a mid range standard ten months earlier justified his “abilities”. Other social media club clips showed him with a basically arrogant open stance, laid back saying his piece. Numerous reports of putting team mates offside with attitude both personally and professionally.

How many of the boys do you think quote a historic time reference to justify their physical performance standards. The overwhelming majority are looking to the next time trial and working towards a personal best. Many of us lament the retention of Ed Curnow, but we know he will attack preseason and attempt to compete with his usurper Cotts on the track or to maintain or regain his ascendency over little brother Charlie. An AFL player, particularly a developing one should not be spruiking attaining a minimum standard as being acceptable.

I hate that Stocker is gone, but to suggest the club made a “weak decision” is so far off the mark. They made a very hard, strong decision for the benefit of the group. They have released a kid who could be a “generational player”. Anecdotally many officials and players made the effort to motivate him. Too happy in his own skin, he is more concerned about his social media followers and creating and maintaining a persona.

He doesn’t have the make up to grab the bit between his teeth and excel at another club. He may dig in for a period, but unfortunately will revert to type. His issues are known, and there is no guarantee he gets the opportunity.
Listening to him when interviewed he uses the words I or myself enough times to make Dermott Brereton jealous.
 

At this stage, a minimum of 54 picks and maximum of 61 selections is expected.
Delisted free agents will also soon be able to be signed by clubs, which would also change available list spots and open picks.
Blues will take four picks to the draft.
 

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