Player Watch 2022 AFL National Draft Discussion - read the pinned post

[Strapping Young Lad]

National AFL draft Monday November 28(first round only).
All other selections to be held on Tuesday November 29.
The pre-season and rookie drafts will then take place at 3pm (AEST) on Wednesday November 30.

 

[Crawfo]

Jhye Clark has to be the first consideration if he is available. Rumours of GC being keen on Gibney may open up this possibility. The club emphasized recruiting players of the highest character & talent. With a seismic shift in both leadership and midfield positions his tenacity and drive both as a player and on the training track will be too appealing to MM and Sam. Our next available selection should be focused on an Olli Hotton type who can add more depth as a fwd/mid.

Mackenzie would be a very pleasing 2nd option followed by Mattaes and then Humphrey for me. We might look to bring in that 'striker' mid/fwd next year in Reid. If a Phillipou or Humphrey are selected instead I'd look at Szybkowski to add the pure midfield quality we need who also shares a high work ethic similar to the club's decision to take CMac.

Tough days ahead and the character of our group will be tested and this must be a strong consideration.

 

[Walshawk]

Brisbane can't trade 2023 picks and we're the only club with multiple picks in the 40's

On SM-G955F using BigFooty.com mobile app

I am talking about 2022 picks.

 

[theiaofseed]

I am talking about 2022 picks.

I know, for our picks not to move up that would mean they only used picks 49+ to match bids, that would require using picks 49-65 and delisting 1/3 of their list.

Hawthorn are the only team that can bundle picks, the only other option is North 40+43 for Brisbane's 34 but after bids North's 40 would move into 37, so North would be trading 37+38 for 34 which makes no sense.

Hawthorn will trade 48,50,52 for 34 and go to the draft with 6,24,34 and 41 which will end up 38 or 37*

 

[Blackhawk42]

Feeling like we'll take 3 picks inside 40 (hopefully higher for that third one) then take Lawerence as a rookie and Vickery after an NGA bid if one comes. Although I understand that we don't NEED to take him just because he's in our academy.

Nailing those first 3 picks is absolutely vital.

 

[pushintheback]

Feeling like we'll take 3 picks inside 40 (hopefully higher for that third one) then take Lawerence as a rookie and Vickery after an NGA bid if one comes. Although I understand that we don't NEED to take him just because he's in our academy.

Nailing those first 3 picks is absolutely vital.

Also dont forget about Josh Bennetts apparently he can be category B rookie. That would be a nice 3 to bring in.

 

[Rocket72]

Or his class and ability, he reminds me so much of Mundy/Pendles because he attracts the players around him and fires off a perfect releasing handball or laces out a forward, his ability with time and space is top notch and he's seriously explosive and quick.

I'm not seeing it in MacKenzie. Looks like a selection around 40 to me, clearly I'm missing something. His inside work is my concern, is he exciting people more as an outside mid or wing?

 

[Hawk the Talk]

Does the Cooper Stephens acquisition change our line of thinking at all? Considering his strengths are centred around being an inside distributor does that mean a player like Clark becomes less attractive to us? Not a similar player necessarily, but it certainly makes me think a mid more capable of playing outside with some dynamic athletic traits is what we'll be seeking.

The Phillipou rumours might hold some weight now.

Where have the Phillipou romours come from? Is that recent?

 

[Burtman]

Just saw that Dylan Williams was delisted from port, wouldn’t be against using one of our late picks to bring him across or taking him as a dfa. Was supremely talented and tipped to go top 5 in his draft before a few injuries in his top age year, I remember watching him tear up some nab league games and finals as a 17 year old

 

[TDS7]

Where have the Phillipou romours come from? Is that recent?

We've had a good amount of talks with him, not necessarily an indicator we're taking him (CMac hadn't heard from us more than once until we got him through the door) but that's the talk.

 

[tl92]

Also dont forget about Josh Bennetts apparently he can be category B rookie. That would be a nice 3 to bring in.

Who? Haha

 

[Walshawk]

Just saw that Dylan Williams was delisted from port, wouldn’t be against using one of our late picks to bring him across or taking him as a dfa. Was supremely talented and tipped to go top 5 in his draft before a few injuries in his top age year, I remember watching him tear up some nab league games and finals as a 17 year old

Maybe. Dylan spent some time at Hawthorn in his draft year. Was a gun junior, and has footy/goal smarts but too short for KPP and not quick/agile/intense enough to play anywhere else. Old fashioned footballer - in the old days you would sit him ina forward pocket and if he wasn't expected to do anything else, would kick a couple of goals every week.

 

[theiaofseed]

I'm a lot more open to drafting Clark after trading Mitchell and JOM, really want to land a midfielder with speed but we can get that in 2023 and 24.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

I'm not seeing it in MacKenzie. Looks like a selection around 40 to me, clearly I'm missing something. His inside work is my concern, is he exciting people more as an outside mid or wing?

Jesus Christ wtf is this take

40?

 

[Coach Killer]

I'm a lot more open to drafting Clark after trading Mitchell and JOM, really want to land a midfielder with speed but we can get that in 2023 and 24.

We're not drafting midfielders that can't run, can't kick and can't kick goals. Most of the crabs have left the building, we’re not bringing in replacement crabs.

 

[kirbatron]

Just saw that Dylan Williams was delisted from port, wouldn’t be against using one of our late picks to bring him across or taking him as a dfa. Was supremely talented and tipped to go top 5 in his draft before a few injuries in his top age year, I remember watching him tear up some nab league games and finals as a 17 year old

staying with Port as a rookie

 

[Hawk the Talk]

We've had a good amount of talks with him, not necessarily an indicator we're taking him (CMac hadn't heard from us more than once until we got him through the door) but that's the talk.

Thanks mate, I really like the look of him outside of the top 5 projected guys. Feels like a little more of a risky pick compared to Clark or Mackenzie but his upside is huge.

 

[FB19]

Didn't it change a year or two ago? About the same year that Sydney had 2-3 Academy Players available, but not enough List spots available to hold the handful of picks they required.

It was the DGB year, from memory. They had Campbell, Goulden & maybe another freebie available.

It's quite likely that I'm just remembering it incorrectly, but I seem to recall the rule changing such that you didn't require open List spots to hold live Draft Picks.

Was a one off for that year only. AFL gunna Afl.

Draft rule tweaked

Clubs matching bids on Academy and father-son players will be able to use the points from picks they didn't plan to use.

www.sydneyswans.com.au

 

[theiaofseed]

Was a one off for that year only. AFL gunna Afl.

Draft rule tweaked

Clubs matching bids on Academy and father-son players will be able to use the points from picks they didn't plan to use.

www.sydneyswans.com.au

Yep like being able to delist and re-rookie a player automatically aka Moore.

 

[FB19]

staying with Port as a rookie

If we want him we could get him though similar to greenwood as a dfa just offer him a decent deal I think he’s worth a shot we need genuine footballers

 

[TDS7]

Thanks mate, I really like the look of him outside of the top 5 projected guys. Feels like a little more of a risky pick compared to Clark or Mackenzie but his upside is huge.

Is he a Billings or a Bont? That's the only question. For mine, I don't see the intensity and drive that I'd like from someone playing as an inside mid, but his forward craft and natural skill coupled with his athleticism is undeniably impressive. Ultimately I think Clark, Mackenzie, Phillipou, and Humphrey all come down to work ethic, mindset, and character at this point for the club. Mentality is a big part of player development and if the club thinks one of these four has the drive to push for improvement, that's who I'd be taking. As an outsider I'll never be in those meetings or talking with the coaches, so It's not up for me to judge, but I see these four as so close in the rankings that I'll just leave it up to the club.

Obligatory No-Knowledge preference order anyway:
Clark
Mackenzie
Humphrey
Phillipou

 

[theiaofseed]

Is he a Billings or a Bont? That's the only question. For mine, I don't see the intensity and drive that I'd like from someone playing as an inside mid, but his forward craft and natural skill coupled with his athleticism is undeniably impressive. Ultimately I think Clark, Mackenzie, Phillipou, and Humphrey all come down to work ethic, mindset, and character at this point for the club. Mentality is a big part of player development and if the club thinks one of these four has the drive to push for improvement, that's who I'd be taking. As an outsider I'll never be in those meetings or talking with the coaches, so It's not up for me to judge, but I see these four as so close in the rankings that I'll just leave it up to the club.

Obligatory No-Knowledge preference order anyway:
Clark
Mackenzie
Humphrey
Phillipou

Where do you see Bailey Macdonald, Caleb Mitchell and Jakob Anderson going? 3 player I rate that I haven't seen mentioned.

 

[Hawk the Talk]

Is he a Billings or a Bont? That's the only question. For mine, I don't see the intensity and drive that I'd like from someone playing as an inside mid, but his forward craft and natural skill coupled with his athleticism is undeniably impressive. Ultimately I think Clark, Mackenzie, Phillipou, and Humphrey all come down to work ethic, mindset, and character at this point for the club. Mentality is a big part of player development and if the club thinks one of these four has the drive to push for improvement, that's who I'd be taking. As an outsider I'll never be in those meetings or talking with the coaches, so It's not up for me to judge, but I see these four as so close in the rankings that I'll just leave it up to the club.

Obligatory No-Knowledge preference order anyway:
Clark
Mackenzie
Humphrey
Phillipou

Appreciate the insight, thanks

 

[TDS7]

Where do you see Bailey Macdonald, Caleb Mitchell and Jakob Anderson going? 3 player I rate that I haven't seen mentioned.

Bailey MacDonald: 45+
A lot of dash, and decent disposal but I'm not a fan of his composure. When you step up to AFL level, the players get faster and the hits get harder, and I don't know if Bailey has the speed, awareness, or frame to take his game style up to the next level. I could see a team taking a punt on him, maybe a Swans, Saints, or Suns for a bit of speed of halfback in a project pick, but not one I'd be keen for us to grab.

Caleb Mitchell: 50+
A very solid wing at 18s level, but again not someone I think has the capacity to play AFL football. I'd compare him to Tom Phillips, decent size and tank but isn't a great kick over distance and doesn't bring any spark of speed or agility to let him play off a half-forward line. I like his hands in close and his composure in tight spaces, if he puts on a few kegs and moves into the guts I could see him getting a spot as a depth midfielder. North, Saints, and Dons would be relatively keen as a rookie option if I had to guess, but not confident in his draft chances.

Jakob Anderson: Rookie/VFL
Reality is tough, but Jakob's just not the build I'd want for an intercept defender. He isn't tall enough to play on even 3rd talls, and his strength will be tested in marking contests. I like his disposal, calm head, and competitiveness, but as an AFL footballer you need to have a weapon you can go to and I don't think he has that. I'd love to be proven wrong, but I'm just not keen on him.

Sorry for the rather dower post, but you just happened to mention three guys I'm just not a fan of. In fairness, I haven't focused on them or seen everything they do (I don't have a way to watch PSA footy), but all three strike me as good junior footy players, not AFL players. MacDonald and Mitchell have some scope to push the level, and I think it's likely they get picked up, but I wouldn't want them on my list. I know people say "shallow draft" and "Only 50 picks", but honestly there are a ton of guys I rate pretty well between 20-50 that I'd love on the list. When people say it's a shallow draft, just remember that often equates to a wide spread of talent from round two onwards. Players I'd like to take with our late picks if we kept them (and their standout traits):

Binns - Athletic and Smart
Long - Athletic and Crafty
Clarke - Crafty, Goal Kicker, Big game player
Drury - Tough leader, Hard nut, First possession winner, score involvements
Lemmey - Upside, marking, kicking
Munkara - Athleticism and goal sense
Magor - Strength and impact, goal kicking mid
Gallagher - Tank, penetrating kick
Teal - Athletic, kicking, calm head
Scully - Upside, frame
Kobe Ryan - Ball winning, attack on the footy
Billy Dowling - Accumulation, Impact per Kick (For an accumulator)
McCallum - Athletic, Marking, Tank

 

[RIOLINWITPUNCHS]

I can't remember so many differing views on who we should take with our 1st.

 

[theiaofseed]

Bailey MacDonald: 45+
A lot of dash, and decent disposal but I'm not a fan of his composure. When you step up to AFL level, the players get faster and the hits get harder, and I don't know if Bailey has the speed, awareness, or frame to take his game style up to the next level. I could see a team taking a punt on him, maybe a Swans, Saints, or Suns for a bit of speed of halfback in a project pick, but not one I'd be keen for us to grab.

Caleb Mitchell: 50+
A very solid wing at 18s level, but again not someone I think has the capacity to play AFL football. I'd compare him to Tom Phillips, decent size and tank but isn't a great kick over distance and doesn't bring any spark of speed or agility to let him play off a half-forward line. I like his hands in close and his composure in tight spaces, if he puts on a few kegs and moves into the guts I could see him getting a spot as a depth midfielder. North, Saints, and Dons would be relatively keen as a rookie option if I had to guess, but not confident in his draft chances.

Jakob Anderson: Rookie/VFL
Reality is tough, but Jakob's just not the build I'd want for an intercept defender. He isn't tall enough to play on even 3rd talls, and his strength will be tested in marking contests. I like his disposal, calm head, and competitiveness, but as an AFL footballer you need to have a weapon you can go to and I don't think he has that. I'd love to be proven wrong, but I'm just not keen on him.

Sorry for the rather dower post, but you just happened to mention three guys I'm just not a fan of. In fairness, I haven't focused on them or seen everything they do (I don't have a way to watch PSA footy), but all three strike me as good junior footy players, not AFL players. MacDonald and Mitchell have some scope to push the level, and I think it's likely they get picked up, but I wouldn't want them on my list. I know people say "shallow draft" and "Only 50 picks", but honestly there are a ton of guys I rate pretty well between 20-50 that I'd love on the list. When people say it's a shallow draft, just remember that often equates to a wide spread of talent from round two onwards. Players I'd like to take with our late picks if we kept them (and their standout traits):

I see them as very late selection but just haven't seen anyone mention them.

I see bits of Sicily in Anderson... Morris is probably a better comparison, doesn't have that height you want in a shut down/ intercept defender but he just has the habit of reading the flight of the ball and getting into the right positions to out mark his opponents.

MacDonald for me would be picked on potential, has zip and dash off the halfback that can bomb blindly or run into trouble but I can't help but get excited if he can turn into a winger with his speed and kicking.

Mitchell is a bit vanilla but he's super clean one touch player with a competitive edge, just seems to make an impact in tight contested areas