Player Watch 2022 AFL National Draft Discussion - read the pinned post

[Strapping Young Lad]

National AFL draft Monday November 28(first round only).
All other selections to be held on Tuesday November 29.
The pre-season and rookie drafts will then take place at 3pm (AEST) on Wednesday November 30.

 

[chopflop]

Western Bulldogs. Take it to the bank.

Surprised to see us linked to another talk defender.

Frost = 2 year deal. Will he be surpassed? Does he even get another contract?
Sicily = 5 year deal. Can play as a third tall.
DGB = 2 year deal. Will he make it? Will he go home?
Blanck = 12 months to go. Will he make it? Is he A-grade?
Jeka = 12 months to go. Will he make it?

We have a-grade quality in Sicily locked away for five years. He can also play as a third tall instead of KPD. No one else is a-grade. By the end of 2024 we could potentially have sic and Blanck left.

There is no harm in adding a quality young KPD who has some positional versatility. Especially one with elite upside.

Will be stoked if we land him at 24.

 

[eldorado]

Not short on confidence.

Never trust someone who hasn't earned a nickname...

 

[dermott]

From the vid Mattaes seems to have a lot of confidence and self belief. Don’t see any problems here. Like with all draftees Mitch and McKenzie will assess and determine whether he is a hard worker, good character, etc. Sounds like Doddo is into him a fair bit.

Unfortunately many will recall that Mitchell Thorp had loads of “self confidence”and was picked at 6 just ahead of a midfield plodder with crook knees who went to the Cattery at pick 7.

 

[BIGHAWK23]

Ryan Burton is a star I was I was shattered when we got rid of him we done well from the trade but another Ryan Burton type I would love it

Burton's head couldn't fit through the door at Waverley and a star is masssssive reach

Rather scrim over him any day

 

[Blackhawk42]

Frost = 2 year deal. Will he be surpassed? Does he even get another contract?
Sicily = 5 year deal. Can play as a third tall.
DGB = 2 year deal. Will he make it? Will he go home?
Blanck = 12 months to go. Will he make it? Is he A-grade?
Jeka = 12 months to go. Will he make it?

We have a-grade quality in Sicily locked away for five years. He can also play as a third tall instead of KPD. No one else is a-grade. By the end of 2024 we could potentially have sic and Blanck left.

There is no harm in adding a quality young KPD who has some positional versatility. Especially one with elite upside.

Will be stoked if we land him at 24.

The need for midfield talent and a quality small forward is the greater priority at that selection in my opinion. Even if we rated Weddle as best available. I'd lose my mind if Charlie Clarke or Kostanty were available and we picked another defender.

 

[Hawk the Talk]

Not short on confidence.

I honestly don’t love how he comes across but that doesn’t mean he’s not a good person or won’t be a good team mate. If the club like him and take him I’m on board because I think he’s got potential star written all over him.

 

[BIGHAWK23]

Not short on confidence.

Im concerned he did an interview with Cooper Gretch

 

[Rocket72]

The need for midfield talent and a quality small forward is the greater priority at that selection in my opinion. Even if we rated Weddle as best available. I'd lose my mind if Charlie Clarke or Kostanty were available and we picked another defender.

I feel ya, but it’s at least another 3 years of rebuild. It doesn’t all have to happen this draft.

 

[Rocket72]

Never trust someone who hasn't earned a nickname...

I don’t believe him, think he just wants to leave his nickname behind…

 

[burner1]

Frost = 2 year deal. Will he be surpassed? Does he even get another contract?
Sicily = 5 year deal. Can play as a third tall.
DGB = 2 year deal. Will he make it? Will he go home?
Blanck = 12 months to go. Will he make it? Is he A-grade?
Jeka = 12 months to go. Will he make it?

We have a-grade quality in Sicily locked away for five years. He can also play as a third tall instead of KPD. No one else is a-grade. By the end of 2024 we could potentially have sic and Blanck left.

There is no harm in adding a quality young KPD who has some positional versatility. Especially one with elite upside.

Will be stoked if we land him at 24.

Yep. Doesn’t sound like weddle will still be there but appears a real talent. And maybe we don’t see him as a defender long-term? Or maybe we have concerns on our current group or have other plans for certain players (eg Sicily). And regardless of above you likely don’t pass up a guy who you think could be an elite kpd if available at pick 24 (assuming we rate him).

 

[matey]

Unfortunately many will recall that Mitchell Thorp had loads of “self confidence”and was picked at 6 just ahead of a midfield plodder with crook knees who went to the Cattery at pick 7.

True but I don’t think Thorpe’s self confidence was his biggest problem perhaps it was more to do with his work ethic and professionalism in getting the best out of himself. As I said through the interview process getting to know the draftees Mitchell and McKenzie assessment/observations will give them a good feeling on Mattaes’s character, self drive, work ethic etc. unlike myself who only gets to see a video, what’s in the media and reading BF …… our coach and recruiting staff will know best.

 

[burner1]

The need for midfield talent and a quality small forward is the greater priority at that selection in my opinion. Even if we rated Weddle as best available. I'd lose my mind if Charlie Clarke or Kostanty were available and we picked another defender.

We will go best available (although subjective on how we rate players) - so be prepared to lose your mind.

We also just used a good pick on butler as a small forward who re rate highly, Brockman sticking around for 12 months at least and have Breust for 2 more (and Moore as a hff). Given small forward is a role that doesn’t require heap of development (Ie guys can come in and play role quite quickly) reckon it’s also down the list of needs.

 

[hawkinoz]

I don’t understand all the love for
Humphrey, there has to be question marks over his endurance, looks a bit fumbly, not the best overhead, disposal looks subpar by both hand and foot, goal kicking is poor. He is probably 10kg heavier than most of his opponents too so it’s easy for him to get an advantage in 1:1’s

Sydney seem very interested in him though.

Mackenzie at 6 is a safe reliable pick for Hawks. But if someone came with an offer for either Humphrey( Sydney) or Mackenzie, if they are available at Hawks pick, would we take it.

depends on the offer I guess but what do you guys think is a minimum acceptable one. Have heard Sydney offering 14+17+F1 with something going back for our pick 6
Saints don't want to add their F1 to any trade btw 6 & 9. So will consider 9+28 for 6 or would we want 9+28+32 with 36 or 41 going back?

 

[smish]

Not short on confidence.

Hard pass after watching that. Massive Ryan Burton vibes

 

[Blackhawk42]

We will go best available (although subjective on how we rate players) - so be prepared to lose your mind.

We also just used a good pick on butler as a small forward who re rate highly, Brockman sticking around for 12 months at least and have Breust for 2 more (and Moore as a hff). Given small forward is a role that doesn’t require heap of development (Ie guys can come in and play role quite quickly) reckon it’s also down the list of needs.

I will respectfully disagree in regards to our list management around small forwards.

Breust is clearly near the end. Butler likely his 'replacement', but what happens after that?
Brockman isn't a typical small forward, and will be want to head back to WA?
Seamus has moved to a back flank.
Moore has been moved into a midfield.
CMac will be moved into the midfield.

We need to address that area IMO. Unless the club is considering adding Ben Cavarra who could be that instant recruit you are hinting at.

I really rate what I've seen from Clarke and Kostanty. I would love to draft either of them.

 

[Soaring Hawk]

I only saw Mattaes in the championships this year, and didn’t get to his u18 club games, so my live vision is limited to a just a few games…but based on that, I hope we go for someone else. Pros and cons:

• his vision around the ball is elite. He can pick someone out, in traffic, on the move
• he’s not a ‘bottom of the pack’ player who’s going to increase our midfield effectiveness. He relies on someone getting it to him first
• he’s great overhead
• he’s an above average kick, but not exceptional. I rate scrimshaw as much better
• to that end, I can see a future where Mattaes ends up a scrimshaw type HBF, with the confidence to set up play, vice a true on ball champion like Bont.
• I can imagine his confidence could be polarising for some players

I rate him around the 8-12 mark, rather than a top 5.


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[perrdan86]

From the vid Mattaes seems to have a lot of confidence and self belief. Don’t see any problems here. Like with all draftees Mitch and McKenzie will assess and determine whether he is a hard worker, good character, etc. Sounds like Doddo is into him a fair bit.

I dont see him as arrogant at all.

He was just asked a question about aspects of his game and who he compares to. It's not like he is saying he is as good as them.

Just a kid confident in his abilities. Self belief isn't a bad thing.

 

[Coathanger]

Nothing wrong with vanilla everyone likes vanilla it’s great the problem with the other players they have upside but also a lot of downside where vanilla Clark is going to be a 250+ gamer guaranteed he also fits with Ward and Connor Mac that we got last year. I should have says this is also a very weak draft and sometimes in a week draft better to get the safest commodity in next years super draft we Make our move with a solid foundation from this draft. I should also say I would be very happy if we got Tsatas

Rubbish!!!!!!

 

[marhalls hawks]

Burton's head couldn't fit through the door at Waverley and a star is masssssive reach

Rather scrim over him any day

At the time he left I was shattered I agree though scrimshaw is a better player but we got lucky with Scrimshaw they don’t grow on trees like him and Burchell and we got Scrimshaw real cheap to I didn’t know he had a massive heads though maybe that’s why we pushed him out.

 

[marhalls hawks]

Rubbish!!!!!!

What’s wrong with Jhye Clark

 

[grumbleguts]

Unfortunately many will recall that Mitchell Thorp had loads of “self confidence”and was picked at 6 just ahead of a midfield plodder with crook knees who went to the Cattery at pick 7.

I honestly would rather Mitch Thorp's 1 single goal over a player whose sole legacy will be wrecking the game so much it will take years and countless rule changes to undo the damage he has done.

 

[BIGHAWK23]

I honestly would rather Mitch Thorp's 1 single goal over a player whose sole legacy will be wrecking the game so much it will take years and countless rule changes to undo the damage he has done.

Im not a fan of Selwood, but this is just ridiculous

 

[BigLittleHawk]

Never trust someone who hasn't earned a nickname...

Yeah... We know his nickname. Just doesn't want to admit it.

 

[BigLittleHawk]

Not short on confidence.

Sorry, but he's a knob.

Despite that, I'd still like him at the Hawks... those highlights make him look like a number 1 pick. He could be ANYTHING! I'd definitely take the risk.

 

[KingJiath]

I think Phillipous confidence is a really good thing. Over the past few years we've drafted players with great character who are clearly team first players but I think it's time to get a player in who really invokes a sense of competition in the locker room.

His confidence will be backed up by hard work because no one really gets to the position he's in without working hard and he said in the interview even if he's not considered the best he knows he can work hard enough to become the best. To me that seems like the perfect kind of confidence. He's not confident in purely his football skills, he's confident in his work rate and determination.

If he was in the NAB league this year I think he'd be going to North with pick 2 because there's no way he wouldn't dominate and also have that extra attention on him. If tsatas isn't available there's no doubt in my mind that we should take him. Mackenzie is a great player but we've been really conservative with our picks the last few years that it's time to take a swing at a potential superstar rather than a very good role player. Humphrey offers that same potential as Phillipou but to me the poo just offers so much more at this stage. A much better kick, for goal and on the field, a better mark, better and smarter ball user. Tsatas is the only one I think can rival him imo but it's looking like we'll only have the option of one as the other goes to essendon.

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