List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and Trading Thread - Part 2

[Scorpus]

Updated list position



And 2024 as it stands

Spoiler

 

[Jetafl]

Can someone please post the article

I did it is the article above your post

 

[crow2crow]

Brown would be on closer to 600K. He's a senior player, in a team full of youngsters, most of whom would be on close to base salary. The AFL average wage is around $350K, and there's not a snowball's chance in Hell that he was earning below average wages.

no way unless he had a back end contract

highly unlikely - more like a front end contract and his payout this year was 300K or less

mooses cant have been much and should be gone too

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Brett Turner is where we start doing that?

Talk about making a statement.

Start small ....baby steps

 

[1990crow]

Kosi Pickett would be a good get end of 2023. Trade 2024 first?

2023 first either find a way to get Moir, or trade for Elijah Hollands?

 

[GreyCrow]

So now the 50 game target is pushed out to 60-80 games?

Talk about giving yourself more time in the shiny seat

'' 3 years into a rebuild'' better speak to the others because apparently its over and we are trading in for need

Its not Turners fault - apart from nominating 6 not 18 - drafting an injured player was always going to end in tears.

List management? Drafting a player based on what another player ( Crouch) might do at the end of season is always going to be the wrong choice

 

[Vader]

no way unless he had a back end contract

highly unlikely - more like a front end contract and his payout this year was 300K or less

mooses cant have been much and should be gone too

McPherson would have been on a low salary... but there's no almost no chance Brown was on less than $500K, probably $600K+.

 

[crow2crow]

McPherson would have been on a low salary... but there's no almost no chance Brown was on less than $500K, probably $600K+.

Doubt it because
1) they would have kept brown as better and more experienced as a backup
2) delist injured moose who will never play afl again

brown must have had a low payout figure or its not logical

 

[Vader]

So now the 50 game target is pushed out to 60-80 games?

Talk about giving yourself more time in the shiny seat

'' 3 years into a rebuild'' better speak to the others because apparently its over and we are trading in for need

Its not Turners fault - apart from nominating 6 not 18 - drafting an injured player was always going to end in tears.

List management? Drafting a player based on what another player ( Crouch) might do at the end of season is always going to be the wrong choice

Yes, there are 22 H&A games per season, and yes 3x22 = 66... but:

• The number of players who hit 50 games in their 3rd season is pretty low. Most will spend a while in the SANFL before getting their AFL debut, then they will be in & out of the AFL team for a while until they establish themselves.
• We've been rotating a lot of our youngsters through, as we experiment to see who will & won't make it in the longer term, further prolonging the time taken for them to get there.
• While we're now 3 years into the rebuild, not all of our youngsters have been on the list for 3 years. Many have only been there for 2 years, 1 year, or 1 week (for those drafted this year).

You can argue that Turner wouldn't have been delisted if he'd nominated 18 months instead of 6... you could equally argue that we wouldn't have drafted him in the first place if he had nominated an 18 month contract. At least he got 6 months on an AFL list.

 

[Vader]

Doubt it because
1) they would have kept brown as better and more experienced as a backup
2) delist injured moose who will never play afl again

brown must have had a low payout figure or its not logical

We should have been at the salary cap floor this year. The difference between floor & cap is $677K.

Logic suggests that we would have paid out Moose & Brown if we could. However, we only paid out Brown. The implication is that we didn't have enough money to pay out Moose as well. The implication here is that Brown's payout was much closer to $600K than you are willing to admit.

That's logic.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Poor form from club from start to finish

First of all taking a 25 yo with traits we already flushed with on list , especially when he was injured at time

Then stringing him on then delisting him

Poor planning and execution

 

[spenze]

how do you say such delusional nonsense with a straight face?

Dawson is supposed to be on 650.

Well they both play back pocket..,

 

[GreyCrow]

Yes, there are 22 H&A games per season, and yes 3x22 = 66... but:

• The number of players who hit 50 games in their 3rd season is pretty low. Most will spend a while in the SANFL before getting their AFL debut, then they will be in & out of the AFL team for a while until they establish themselves.
• We've been rotating a lot of our youngsters through, as we experiment to see who will & won't make it in the longer term, further prolonging the time taken for them to get there.
• While we're now 3 years into the rebuild, not all of our youngsters have been on the list for 3 years. Many have only been there for 2 years, 1 year, or 1 week (for those drafted this year).

You can argue that Turner wouldn't have been delisted if he'd nominated 18 months instead of 6... you could equally argue that we wouldn't have drafted him in the first place if he had nominated an 18 month contract. At least he got 6 months on an AFL list.

What are you babbling on about?

The 50 game target is about an assumed level where you can judge talent . It is now pushed out to 60-80 games - thats nothing to do with 3 years and all about extending criticism of a draft pick

Apart from '' year 3 of the rebuild'' - which I put in context of other messaging from the club ( and some on here) saying its
1. in its 4th year
2. Over

 

[MRB37]

Sounds like standard stuff from Turner. We had plans to keep him, those plans changed and he was a victim of that given his short term deal. I hate the entire idea of the MSD in general, but won't be the first nor the last time it happens.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Sounds like standard stuff from Turner. We had plans to keep him, those plans changed and he was a victim of that given his short term deal. I hate the entire idea of the MSD in general, but won't be the first nor the last time it happens.

Taking Turner never made any sense

To take a 25 yo you’d want to be playing them in their first week or 2

He was N/A , injured

 

[Mostyn]

Sounds like standard stuff from Turner. We had plans to keep him, those plans changed and he was a victim of that given his short term deal. I hate the entire idea of the MSD in general, but won't be the first nor the last time it happens.

There's been players who were cut after six months every year, and each year they feel disappointed.

But equally - if it wasn't a six month deal they wouldn't have been drafted. So it's a difficult decision to make.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Taking Turner never made any sense

To take a 25 yo you’d want to be playing them in their first week or 2

He was N/A , injured

Yeah, look at Carmichael for example - 22yo when drafted, came into the first side just a few weeks after

Now I'm not going to debate the merit of selecting Carmichael specifically over Turner, but that's the kind of plan you want to undertake with a mature ager

 

[Eagleboy2011]

Kosi Pickett would be a good get end of 2023. Trade 2024 first?

2023 first either find a way to get Moir, or trade for Elijah Hollands?

I hope we are talking to Kossie. I'm sure PA would be. A WWTFC product. I actually wanted him in his draft year. Luckily, we went for Fish.

 

[Mutineer]

We should have been at the salary cap floor this year. The difference between floor & cap is $677K.

Logic suggests that we would have paid out Moose & Brown if we could. However, we only paid out Brown. The implication is that we didn't have enough money to pay out Moose as well. The implication here is that Brown's payout was much closer to $600K than you are willing to admit.

That's logic.

Vader logic

 

[Danger in Texas]

I hope we are talking to Kossie. I'm sure PA would be. A WWTFC product. I actually wanted him in his draft year. Luckily, we went for Fish.

Don't think we need to spend heavy capital on a player like Pickett, after getting Rachele and Rankine the past two years

 

[Mutineer]

Don't think we need to spend heavy capital on a player like Pickett, after getting Rachele and Rankine the past two years

What picks do Port still hold for 2023?

 

[Eagleboy2011]

Don't think we need to spend heavy capital on a player like Pickett, after getting Rachele and Rankine the past two years

Probably correct but while we have McHenry, Murphy on our list I see opportunity for improvement. I don't know how much longer Crouch and McAdam will on the list. McAdam is injury prone, OOC end of 2023 and 29 at the start of 2024. Might be a good time to do a deal for him.

 

[Danger in Texas]

What picks do Port still hold for 2023?

2024 1st and some form of 2023 2nd, I guess

How many first rounders do you have to make in a four-year span? Is it two?

 

[Crow till I die]

What picks do Port still hold for 2023?

A few on their board think they are getting pick 1 for Georgiades next year from WCE...until it was pointed out if WCE finish bottom, they will also have pick 1 in the PSD and will get Georgiades for free if he stays OOC by the end of next year

 

[GrommoT]

What picks do Port still hold for 2023?

R2, R3, R4 (all from other clubs) according to Lore

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Don't think we need to spend heavy capital on a player like Pickett, after getting Rachele and Rankine the past two years

Better off targeting Sparrow or Petty