List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and Trading Thread - Part 2

[Scorpus]

Updated list position



And 2024 as it stands

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[Jars458]

I think they honestly had every intention of re-drafting him... but then reality got in the way. Mike Tyson once said that "everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the face", and that's pretty much what happened to the AFC.

Firstly, I'm absolutely certain they were planning on trading Crouch - and would have been staggered when not a single club showed any interest whatsoever. That forced the AFC to keep him on the list for another season, filling a vacancy that could have been used for Turner (with an appropriate shuffling of players between senior/rookie lists).

Secondly, I think they were surprised to see Dowling & Bond still available so late in the draft, representing opportunities which were just too good to pass up. Drafting these players, which nobody here has questioned, meant that there was no longer a position available for Turner.

They had a plan going into Trade Week, but things didn't happen as expected - both good (Dowling/Bond) and bad (Crouch), the end result of which was that their plans had to change, with Turner the big loser.

Possibly other than the Crouch bit which was completely predictable. Doesn't change the point about communication.

 

[George Kramer]

Settle down, no need to make things about a personal attack on me. You asked for a response.

If we genuinely thought that we could only take someone on a six month deal, then we perhaps should have considered not taking anyone at all.

Certainly don't take someone injured. That seems pigheaded - taking someone you've already made your mind up on that you want to draft.

I maybe understand taking a mid, but I would have preferred a 21 year old or so. Maybe a Mitch O'Neill. It's actually hard to work out who the correct pick is, because of the contract issues.

Or - take a genuine mature aged player who knows they're only getting six months, if there's some developmental benefit in that.

I'm glad they've done the ruthless thing and cut him now, and not had any sunk cost reason they've kept him - but yeah, it's the wrong pick.

It’s hard not make it a personal dig, when you have a habit of defending the club at any opportunity, I don’t have a dig at you for any other reason and generally it’s the only reason I have digs at poster.

I said the decision was stupid, your reply was why was it stupid, hence my response. You’ve now gone and outlined a number of reasons actually why it was stupid, so why ask in the first place? It just sets you up.

 

[cleanhands]

It’s hard not make it a personal dig, when you have a habit of defending the club at any opportunity, I don’t have a dig at you for any other reason and generally it’s the only reason I have digs at poster.

I said the decision was stupid, your reply was why was it stupid, hence my response. You’ve now gone and outlined a number of reasons actually why it was stupid, so why ask in the first place? It just sets you up.

Boy some trigger easily

 

[George Kramer]

Boy some trigger easily

I can’t help it

 

[cleanhands]

I can’t help it

Not you, I couldn’t see where it was personal, did I miss something

 

[George Kramer]

Not you, I couldn’t see where it was personal, did I miss something

I know

Yeah I did have dig and to be fair to Kristof, I do give him a hard time, but it’s for the reasons I outlined

 

[arrowman]

Rankine & Rachele party

Bigfooty delivers another appropriate typo

 

[cleanhands]

I know

Yeah I did have dig and to be fair to Kristof, I do give him a hard time, but it’s for the reasons I outlined

Fair call

 

[Ramify]

It’s hard not make it a personal dig, when you have a habit of defending the club at any opportunity, I don’t have a dig at you for any other reason and generally it’s the only reason I have digs at poster.

I said the decision was stupid, your reply was why was it stupid, hence my response. You’ve now gone and outlined a number of reasons actually why it was stupid, so why ask in the first place? It just sets you up.

I nominate Mostyn to start a "Negatives only" thread as a peace offering.

About time we had one.
What say you all?

 

[George Kramer]

I nominate Mostyn to start a "Negatives only" thread as a peace offering.

About time we had one.
What say you all?

Opposites day

 

[Mostyn]

It’s hard not make it a personal dig, when you have a habit of defending the club at any opportunity, I don’t have a dig at you for any other reason and generally it’s the only reason I have digs at poster.

I said the decision was stupid, your reply was why was it stupid, hence my response. You’ve now gone and outlined a number of reasons actually why it was stupid, so why ask in the first place? It just sets you up.

I wasn't saying "why was it stupid" as a way of disagreeing - I was genuinely asking.

Some decisions might be wrong but aren't stupid - like draft McAsey, say. Turned out terribly, but wasn't necessarily wrong at the time.

Turner probably was (because he was injured, if nothing else), but was the pick the error, or was it having so little flexibility that we could only take someone on a six month deal?

Or maybe it was both ...

 

[crow2crow]

I nominate Mostyn to start a "Negatives only" thread as a peace offering.

About time we had one.
What say you all?

Mostyn needs a hypnotic only thread

His logo absolutely trips me out and hypnotises me

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Opposites day

Haha, such a Seinfield idea... appropriate for your username.

 

[jackster83]

What annoys me is Nicks saying to Turner he won't pick him.

Why?

Is our star studded midfield that hard to break into?

We picked Rowe in those last couple of games who we had on the delist pile from mid year. Crouch had still been getting games until recently, ditto Hately.

It's also easy to see why we wouldn't pick Worrell if we're that pig headed about the pecking order.

 

[Mostyn]

What annoys me is Nicks saying to Turner he won't pick him.

Why?

Is our star studded midfield that hard to break into?

We picked Rowe in those last couple of games who we had on the delist pile from mid year. Crouch had still been getting games until recently, ditto Hately.

It's also easy to see why we wouldn't pick Worrell if we're that pig headed about the pecking order.

Surely we knew about Rowe.

The simplest of list math said there was zero chance he was staying.

Should have given Turner one game.

 

[Scorpus]

What annoys me is Nicks saying to Turner he won't pick him.

Why?

Is our star studded midfield that hard to break into?

We picked Rowe in those last couple of games who we had on the delist pile from mid year. Crouch had still been getting games until recently, ditto Hately.

It's also easy to see why we wouldn't pick Worrell if we're that pig headed about the pecking order.

Just another disconnect between coaching and list management. They take a guy mid season the coach doesn't want to play. Maybe they should talk to each other for once

 

[George Kramer]

What annoys me is Nicks saying to Turner he won't pick him.

Why?

Is our star studded midfield that hard to break into?

We picked Rowe in those last couple of games who we had on the delist pile from mid year. Crouch had still been getting games until recently, ditto Hately.

It's also easy to see why we wouldn't pick Worrell if we're that pig headed about the pecking order.

We didn’t pick Worrell because they thought Doedee and he couldn’t play together and they preferred an injured Doedee. Then when Worrell excelled and showed he was clearly ready, they played them together, funny that.

It’s amazing with examples like this some still just have unwavering faith in the coaches and management at the club.

 

[spenze]

Just another disconnect between coaching and list management. They take a guy mid season the coach doesn't want to play. Maybe they should talk to each other for once

I'd like them to say "look we traded a lot of capital for this wingman, don't play him last line of defence" or " we traded a lot of capital to get this kid into the midfield, don't play him as the small forward".

I'd really like that

 

[skittlebrew]

Are we making excuses all ready. Nicksy might want a contract extension to see his dream through.

“It’s certainly not a finished product": Crows rebuild still seasons off completion

The admission comes ahead of Matthew Nicks' fourth season at West Lakes.

www.zerohanger.com

“After 60 to 80 games, you start to understand where everyone sits.

Reid's turned the ol' 50 games into 80!!!

Taking the absolute piss and giving himself another couple of years in the job it seems.

Gotta give Ned and Jones another couple of years before we can put a line through them, impossible to conclude if they could become competent players before such point...

*Edit
I was beaten by this bloke but I'm not deleting my post bc it deserves repeating

So now the 50 game target is pushed out to 60-80 games?

Talk about giving yourself more time in the shiny seat

 

[skittlebrew]

AFL: Fox Footy's experts review how all 18 clubs fared at the 2022 AFL Draft
Discarded Crow Brett Turner has urged mid-season draft hopefuls to nominate 18-month contracts after lasting just 136 days on an AFL list.
“It sucks, but I’d still do it 10 out of 10 times if I had my time over again,” he said of his AFL exit and experience.

We ballsed up by taking him, no doubt about it. But the narrative Turner is a victim is grossly overstated.

 

[Redline]

I think they honestly had every intention of re-drafting him... but then reality got in the way. Mike Tyson once said that "everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the face", and that's pretty much what happened to the AFC.

Firstly, I'm absolutely certain they were planning on trading Crouch - and would have been staggered when not a single club showed any interest whatsoever. That forced the AFC to keep him on the list for another season, filling a vacancy that could have been used for Turner (with an appropriate shuffling of players between senior/rookie lists).

Secondly, I think they were surprised to see Dowling & Bond still available so late in the draft, representing opportunities which were just too good to pass up. Drafting these players, which nobody here has questioned, meant that there was no longer a position available for Turner.

They had a plan going into Trade Week, but things didn't happen as expected - both good (Dowling/Bond) and bad (Crouch), the end result of which was that their plans had to change, with Turner the big loser.

Brown was a surprise though, he only decided not to play on this year toward the end of the season. That gave us an extra spot.

 

[Sanders]

So now the 50 game target is pushed out to 60-80 games?

Talk about giving yourself more time in the shiny seat

'' 3 years into a rebuild'' better speak to the others because apparently its over and we are trading in for need

Its not Turners fault - apart from nominating 6 not 18 - drafting an injured player was always going to end in tears.

List management? Drafting a player based on what another player ( Crouch) might do at the end of season is always going to be the wrong choice

3 years from when, publicly we declared 2019 the start of the rebuild

And as you’ve figured out the 50 game thing isn’t a thing, never was. It’s just another excuse to kick the can down the road

 

[Sanders]

McPherson would have been on a low salary... but there's no almost no chance Brown was on less than $500K, probably $600K+.

Just stop. Your credibility is already dead

 

[Sanders]

Firstly, I'm absolutely certain they were planning on trading Crouch - and would have been staggered when not a single club showed any interest whatsoever.

Trades don’t just happen in trade week, they get lined up by agents throughout the year.

We’d have known Crouch’s likely trade market before the MSD even happened.

Secondly, I think they were surprised to see Dowling & Bond still available so late in the draft, representing opportunities which were just too good to pass up.

Yeah, yeah, they were really high on our talent order. Just like every year, we were shocked they were available blah blah

 

[Sanders]

Just another disconnect between coaching and list management. They take a guy mid season the coach doesn't want to play. Maybe they should talk to each other for once

That seems more plausible than any of the other craven justifications for how we treated this bloke