List Mgmt. 2022 List Management: Draft, Trade and FA

[FreoGirl]

We'll if eagles had any decent players OOC im surely they'd be bailing too

I can't stand how WCE supporters are giddy at the idea they might be able to lure some of our talent

 

[Taylor]

If I am Bell/Wallsy, first day of trade period I am trading out my future 2nd, 3rd and 4th so I can't trade my future first.

Then I'll call the Dees. Should I go ask Dan what he thinks of that?

Straight to GC for one of their existing 2nds and Corbett

 

[Superkoops]

Lobb is living with Ralphy. I realise this is tongue in cheek. Hopefully not sleeping down in Ralphy’s basement with all his computers.

Also Buddy isn’t coming to Freo. Pretty sure that was asked of Bell in an interview I heard and he said that they have had no contact with Buddy.

Acres and Lobb have been gone that part for mine has been obvious for quite some time. Acres out of contract but has done us a favour with good form in the finals. That stays fresh in the memory at trade week. Lobb under contract and sounds like that deal has been discussed sometime ago. We will come out fine from those two trades.

Logue is an interesting one. Out of contract and seems from those in the know he is still making up his mind. Prefer we retain him as we don’t hold the upper hand with him out of contract.

Tucker and Meek under contract. Prefer we retain Meek.

Can’t see Henry going. Yea he played a really bad game on Sun but he has really improved this season. Those that haven’t watched much WAFL need to go back and watch a few of the games between around round 8 & 17. It was a really unusual game on Sun. The first half Peel were really bad and barely touched it. Spanked out of centre and the ball spent majority. Of time bouncing in and out of South’s forward line. Also the quarters seemed really short. Aside from Wilson and Thorne all players were down on possessions.

 

[Cobbler]

Also Buddy isn’t coming to Freo. Pretty sure that was asked of Bell in an interview I heard and he said that they have had no contact with Buddy.

That’s exactly what Peter ‘I like to keep my mystery men a secret from everyone’ Bell would say.

You’re not fooling us Peter.

Certainly not fooling Tyler from South Fremantle who has worked out this ploy.

 

[Descent]

It was a really unusual game on Sun.

It’s a difficult ground for uncontested possessions and Henry’s remaining weakness offensively is his positioning to receive uncontested ball. If he makes it at the top level, he’ll be an MCG specialist.

 

[wakojako]

So if we lose Acres, Logue and Lobb, where does that leave us next season?

 

[Redgum]

So if we lose Acres, Logue and Lobb, where does that leave us next season?

Start of another re-build

 

[Purple Jesus]

Start of another re-build

Hardly.

 

[DragoDelph]

So if we lose Acres, Logue and Lobb, where does that leave us next season?

In search of new whipping boys and escaped goats?

 

[Van_Dyke]

So if we lose Acres, Logue and Lobb, where does that leave us next season?

still in cockburn

 

[King Tenz]

In search of new whipping boys and escaped goats?

New whipping boy? I didn't realise Bailey Banfield was leaving too.

 

[s_wd6]

So if we lose Acres, Logue and Lobb, where does that leave us next season?

Brownlow Fyfe is coming back into the midfield, Jye Amiss is kicking 50, and our KPDs are never injured so Logue not needed.

 

[Joao]

Start of another re-build

What do you reckon we can get for Amiss? He'll be too old by the time we rebuild. Should cash in for picks that are in the age demographic of our next build.

 

[Midnite65]

So if we lose Acres, Logue and Lobb, where does that leave us next season?

With Jackson, Erasmus, Sturt, Treacy and Johnson added to the best 22.

 

[Tyler from Sth Fremantle]

I spent more than enough time answering the question. You chose to ignore it.

No. You haven't really answered the question at all. You initially responded with "No", with no other reasoning, then followed it up with an easily refutable and weak argument (with a bit of snark on top) and another empty reply with more snark, which has so far been the only thing I ignored

This has been the first meaningful attempt at answering the question, with yet more snark.

I've been nothing but amiable to you so far and have given you no reason to treat me otherwise, so I expect you treat me the same way. I won't cop it much longer before feeding it back.

His move away from Hawks wasn’t quiet in the slightest. GWS was all the noise. Swans then poached him with a massive offer that trumped GWS. That’s how I recall it. Not something that came out of nowhere, which is what would be the case if he came to Freo.

His move to Sydney absolutely was quiet in the slightest. The footy world was turned on it's head. The general consensus was that he was probably leaving, to GWS on a massive deal, but the Sydney news didn' t break until after the GF in October, was confirmed later that day to be the biggest deal in AFL history, and the deal was completed a week later when Hawthorn didn't match the offer.

1 day from the rumours starting, and 1 week from the move being completed. That's not "wasn't quiet in the slightest" by any stretch of the imagination, and if it that's not "out of nowhere" then not much is.

Lastly, again I feel stupid for having to explain

I'm beginning to feel you're probably right on part of that, not so much the motivation behind it.

But clubs have these things called ‘list managers’. They manage the list. So I’d have assumed our list manager (it’s not Bell) would probably like to be given a heads up that Franklin was coming to the club.

Nice straw man. Bell is generally used as the figurehead in conversations here regarding list management. Your attempt nit picking is a way to prove your point is a cop out, and purely an attempt at saving face by supporting your previous point regarding players and clubs being unable to discuss trade and list management discussions discreetly, which has been proven to be blatantly untrue.

Now within that role they would communicate with player managers and in all that communication you’d imagine someone of Buddy’s appeal would be mentioned as to why player X can’t receive an increased offer.

I have no doubt they communicate with player managers regarding contracts we offer players. But, it is utter nonsense to argue that our list management team would be informing the managers of other players about the specific players we are bringing in and the their contract amounts, in fact that would almost be breaking numerous contract agreements and laws. Our club isn't a circus.

It's like trying to argue that the club would go to one of this board's favourite citizens and say:

"Hey Colin Young, we can't offer Acres any more cash because we're bringing in Buddy. Would you mind not telling anyone?".

Riiiight. The cognitive dissonance it must cause you to make such an absolutely absurd argument like that is astounding.

Now I’ve already said lastly, but on top of all that obvious stuff that you have completely missed,

You manage to say things, while also saying nothing at the same time. And again, it's not been missed, it's been shown up for the nonsense it is.

Freo going for Franklin would be the greatest 180 of our current trend of recruiting young talent. It would simply go against everything we have done in recent years and for that reason alone would be incredibly unlikely

Yes, it would be a great 180, and rightly so. Unlike the previous years where we were rebuilding our list, we are now in our premiership window. We are no longer at the point of the list management cycle where we will or should be drafting and developing players for several years before able to start competing for a place in our best 22.

Our premiership window is open now. After and including the Jackson trade, we would expect to have minimal draft capital over the next few years with which to complete the final missing pieces to our flag puzzle.

Whether or not you think Buddy is the right man for the job is another issue, but as far as recruiting a player that would cost no draft capital while immediately improving arguably our biggest list weakness overnight is a no brainer for anyone with a clue.

If it's good enough for Brisbane who have Daniher and Hipwood already, it's sure as he'll good enough for us.

 

[Tyler from Sth Fremantle]

His leg speed, which he uses to defend small forwards. Yes, that’s correct.

If that's all he brings then why is he selected ahead if other defenders that also defend small forwards?

Or are you saying he's our best small defender?

 

[guidodp15]

so if Dunkley moves to port you'd assume Port get pick 8. Id be more than happy to swap firsts with Bulldogs as apart of the Lobb deal.

Then we trade 8+f1 to Melbourne for Jackson. Anyone else think we can get 35 coming back our way in the deal?

 

[Joao]

so if Dunkley moves to port you'd assume Port get pick 8. Id be more than happy to swap firsts with Bulldogs as apart of the Lobb deal.

Then we trade 8+f1 to Melbourne for Jackson. Anyone else think we can get 35 coming back our way in the deal?

No way I am giving them 8 and F1. Overs when uncontracted.

 

[Cobbler]

No. You haven't really answered the question at all. You initially responded with "No", with no other reasoning, then followed it up with an easily refutable and weak argument (with a bit of snark on top) and another empty reply with more snark, which has so far been the only thing I ignored

This has been the first meaningful attempt at answering the question, with yet more snark.

I've been nothing but amiable to you so far and have given you no reason to treat me otherwise, so I expect you treat me the same way. I won't cop it much longer before feeding it back.

His move to Sydney absolutely was quiet in the slightest. The footy world was turned on it's head. The general consensus was that he was probably leaving, to GWS on a massive deal, but the Sydney news didn' t break until after the GF in October, was confirmed later that day to be the biggest deal in AFL history, and the deal was completed a week later when Hawthorn didn't match the offer.

1 day from the rumours starting, and 1 week from the move being completed. That's not "wasn't quiet in the slightest" by any stretch of the imagination, and if it that's not "out of nowhere" then not much is.


I'm beginning to feel you're probably right on part of that, not so much the motivation behind it.


Nice straw man. Bell is generally used as the figurehead in conversations here regarding list management. Your attempt nit picking is a way to prove your point is a cop out, and purely an attempt at saving face by supporting your previous point regarding players and clubs being unable to discuss trade and list management discussions discreetly, which has been proven to be blatantly untrue.


I have no doubt they communicate with player managers regarding contracts we offer players. But, it is utter nonsense to argue that our list management team would be informing the managers of other players about the specific players we are bringing in and the their contract amounts, in fact that would almost be breaking numerous contract agreements and laws. Our club isn't a circus.

It's like trying to argue that the club would go to one of this board's favourite citizens and say:

"Hey Colin Young, we can't offer Acres any more cash because we're bringing in Buddy. Would you mind not telling anyone?".

Riiiight. The cognitive dissonance it must cause you to make such an absolutely absurd argument like that is astounding.

You manage to say things, while also saying nothing at the same time. And again, it's not been missed, it's been shown up for the nonsense it is.


Yes, it would be a great 180, and rightly so. Unlike the previous years where we were rebuilding our list, we are now in our premiership window. We are no longer at the point of the list management cycle where we will or should be drafting and developing players for several years before able to start competing for a place in our best 22.

Our premiership window is open now. After and including the Jackson trade, we would expect to have minimal draft capital over the next few years with which to complete the final missing pieces to our flag puzzle.

Whether or not you think Buddy is the right man for the job is another issue, but as far as recruiting a player that would cost no draft capital while immediately improving arguably our biggest list weakness overnight is a no brainer for anyone with a clue.

If it's good enough for Brisbane who have Daniher and Hipwood already, it's sure as he'll good enough for us.

TLDR

 

[Bastyy]

The Fothergill-Round-Mitchell Award (Terrible name for an award btw, just use one of the 3 names surely) was won by Ethan Phillips, 23 year old tall defender. If we're looking at a defender in this years draft don't be surprised if his name pops up (I've not seen him play personally but I think the award has had a draftee for like 10 years straight now)

 

[King Tenz]

No. You haven't really answered the question at all. You initially responded with "No", with no other reasoning, then followed it up with an easily refutable and weak argument (with a bit of snark on top) and another empty reply with more snark, which has so far been the only thing I ignored

This has been the first meaningful attempt at answering the question, with yet more snark.

I've been nothing but amiable to you so far and have given you no reason to treat me otherwise, so I expect you treat me the same way. I won't cop it much longer before feeding it back.

His move to Sydney absolutely was quiet in the slightest. The footy world was turned on it's head. The general consensus was that he was probably leaving, to GWS on a massive deal, but the Sydney news didn' t break until after the GF in October, was confirmed later that day to be the biggest deal in AFL history, and the deal was completed a week later when Hawthorn didn't match the offer.

1 day from the rumours starting, and 1 week from the move being completed. That's not "wasn't quiet in the slightest" by any stretch of the imagination, and if it that's not "out of nowhere" then not much is.


I'm beginning to feel you're probably right on part of that, not so much the motivation behind it.


Nice straw man. Bell is generally used as the figurehead in conversations here regarding list management. Your attempt nit picking is a way to prove your point is a cop out, and purely an attempt at saving face by supporting your previous point regarding players and clubs being unable to discuss trade and list management discussions discreetly, which has been proven to be blatantly untrue.


I have no doubt they communicate with player managers regarding contracts we offer players. But, it is utter nonsense to argue that our list management team would be informing the managers of other players about the specific players we are bringing in and the their contract amounts, in fact that would almost be breaking numerous contract agreements and laws. Our club isn't a circus.

It's like trying to argue that the club would go to one of this board's favourite citizens and say:

"Hey Colin Young, we can't offer Acres any more cash because we're bringing in Buddy. Would you mind not telling anyone?".

Riiiight. The cognitive dissonance it must cause you to make such an absolutely absurd argument like that is astounding.

You manage to say things, while also saying nothing at the same time. And again, it's not been missed, it's been shown up for the nonsense it is.


Yes, it would be a great 180, and rightly so. Unlike the previous years where we were rebuilding our list, we are now in our premiership window. We are no longer at the point of the list management cycle where we will or should be drafting and developing players for several years before able to start competing for a place in our best 22.

Our premiership window is open now. After and including the Jackson trade, we would expect to have minimal draft capital over the next few years with which to complete the final missing pieces to our flag puzzle.

Whether or not you think Buddy is the right man for the job is another issue, but as far as recruiting a player that would cost no draft capital while immediately improving arguably our biggest list weakness overnight is a no brainer for anyone with a clue.

If it's good enough for Brisbane who have Daniher and Hipwood already, it's sure as he'll good enough for us.

 

[Descent]

If that's all he brings then why is he selected ahead if other defenders that also defend small forwards?

Or are you saying he's our best small defender?

Yes.

 

[eastfreo75]

Chapman has been less consistent than Young, but he still plays that role. The 436 metres gained against Melbourne when we played them in Round 11, or his perfomance against the Bulldogs in the EF.

Considering It’s Chapman’s second year, consistency is an issue. Will improve in 2 years.

 

[eastfreo75]

Chapman gaining size in the off season will help his role in the back line and open the door to him being a clearance midfield option.

Maybe to replace Mundy?

 

[theGav56]

Really warming towards the Jackson pick up, if we can nab Georgiades next year.

Amiss, Georgiades and Jackson would make a pretty nice forward line. Add Sturt in and whatever smalls we have on the list at that point and that's a pretty good forward line. I know a lot has been made of the fact that Jackson isn't a forward but I reckon he could play the roaming high half-forward role pretty well.

Personally I think the ideal match for Amiss and Treacy is Lobb.

The best defender must take Lobb. Before he impacts the game that is already a win of sorts. Unless he is our only realistic target that is.