Henry is going to Geelong.
Like the Sharp get.
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The fact the WA media will look to pile even more pressure on him than he's already going to have.What do you see as the downside if he did say it publicly like Wilson?
This is what we are talking about:
'I don't like the Eagles': New Dockers recruit Nathan Wilson on his return to WA
Fremantle Dockers' latest recruit has already shown where his loyalties lie, declaring during his first press conference wearing purple that it was "Freo or bust" for the former Giants half-back.www.theage.com.au
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But if he goes to the Cats he is going to have to accept a lot less coin, they rarely overpay for players especially someone who hasnt played much.
...who needs Visy when there's plenty of grass out there!
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Action on Jackson trade: Demon requests trade home to WA club
Melbourne premiership ruckman-forward Luke Jackson met the Demons on Tuesday and has formally requested a trade home to Perth.
AFL website has their story up now;
UPDATE: Dees eye high price for Jackson after WA trade request
Luke Jackson has asked for a move back to his home state
www.afl.com.au
Given the minimal difference in 2022 draft picks 11 vs 13 I think the target for Freo will be F1 from Bulldogs with something late from us going back.
F1 (Bulldogs) > Lobb, F3
Then 13, F1 (Bulldogs) > Jackson, 41
Tucker > 55
55, 41 > 33 (Brisbane)
Acres > F2 (Carlton)
2022 picks: 33, 72
2023 picks: 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 4th
Liam Henry is staying
Hughes is staying
Logue - no one really knows (the Vic media are just assuming Oliver Henry is going to Geelong). If we are making a good offer it would likely be due to Logue’s salary and a possible three way with a Vic club (North if they get PP 19, Essendon currently have pick 22 and could upgrade our late pick 72) with early pick on traded to Collingwood. Makes a lot of sense to trade Logue if wants to go for a forward. Oliver Henry is a long shot though, but I remember him being in the mix for the pick we selected Chapman.
Meek?? (Prefer he stays) - late second round pick if he goes
Sharp seems to be one we were linked to last year and the same happened to Jordi Clark so reckon he will be wearing purple. Would have thought a pick in the third round would be around the go - ie what we paid for Matera.
Corbett?? Delisted FA or F4
I know rucks are worth next to nothing but mark my words, Meek will end up one of the best mobile Rucks in the comp.
Absolutely dominating at WAFL and has only progressed in an upward trajectory. 2 years in the AFL and he will be smashing crew.
He's worth a pick in the early 20's for mine.
Absolutely dominating at WAFL and has only progressed in an upward trajectory. 2 years in the AFL and he will be smashing crew.
He's worth a pick in the early 20's for mine.
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I really hope we keep Meek. Darcy is injury prone. Surprised he played as much as he did this year. Meek and Jackson would be a dynamic ruck duo if Darcy is unavailable.
But I can understand Meek wanting more opportunity, so yep, he is worth a second rounder at least.
But I can understand Meek wanting more opportunity, so yep, he is worth a second rounder at least.
Scott Jones has dominated the WAFL all year. Just sayin'.
all those players were playing a lot better than hogan ever was for us
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What tapes?
Just spit balling but GC have a stack of 2nds and Henry could be sold on the idea of getting a game up there.
Scott Jones is rubbish. I watched a lot of WAFL and whilst he is a very big unit and hard to out muscle in the ruck contest he provides bugger all around the ground and once the ball hits the ground he taps out. I’ve seen him calling in his midfielders to get ground balls when it was his turn to go.
Meek and Jones split the ruck knocks in their games but Jones would end up with 6 handballs and Meek 24 possessions. Meek had a couple of good tussles against Hamish Free. Again beats him around the ground but I like that Free gets on the ground and tries. There is a reason scouts have been watching South Freo games. Jones however is no good.
I said it would be a second round pick but won’t be an early one in the 20’s. I agree that Meek is ready to go to the next level. You can see it in the WAFL. The depth in this draft seems to be thin and we can hardly command a pick in the 20’s for someone we gave only 6 games to.
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Joao, c’mon, he’s not nominating a state, he’s picking a club (which will be us), regardless of how the Demons media stooges want to report it.
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Jones didn't split the ruck battle he beat him. This is the Meek concern. If he is only splitting the ruck against the best state league rucks he going to get thrashed by most AFL ones. He needs to able to negate the opposition ruck to make his other round-the-ground abilities count
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Still heavily scarred by the Hogan trade.
I was one of the ones that 'thought' trading in Hogan was a big step to the answer of our problems (kicking goals, lots of goals..). I might not have declared it much publicly, but I saw it as a huge solution going forward. I saw ...wait for it..."potential".
So when Hogan finally came (now we know with the wonders of hindsight at a BIG cost..) I was elated. Finally, we had our man!!
And then......it all fell apart. Pretty quick sharp. Since then, and with Bennell and McCarthy not working out either, you often are left wondering...what is really the right move now for Freo?! Do they risk a "big fish" trade again?! Because certainly in the last 4 or so years, it just hasn't worked out. And you could argue that was down to character, as in - Hogan was a wild thing, a wild card that in the end, the club couldn't tame...and in around that time before Hogan eventually left Jason Carter was behaving like a dickhead, Kersten pissed off after looking like a really toxic influence...etc etc. I suppose, at least we weeded out the shit and settled the club down. But there are times it feels almost, too robotic....I mean, I don't mind if they're a bit of a dickhead as long as they can lace up the boots and get the job done out there. Sometimes you need that "wild thing" talent, as long as it doesn't corrupt the culture and they are still invested in their club...I look at Eric Cantona in the EPL for Manchester United in the early Nineties, totally bonkers and unpredictable, but incredibly effective on the field - a game changer! If you don't follow the EPL or know who he is go and look at his goals on YT, unbelievable some of them.
Anyway, I digress - in retrospect, it was a bridge too far though and the club took the loss of Hogan (much to the ire of many of us!) and cut the deadwood adrift....so to speak.
It's not that I think Jackson is in this boat. Not at all. It's that I have reservations because whenever Freo gets 'excitable' about a Big Fish trade, it invariably goes pear-shaped. It's worked so much more better scouting for good clubmen, with talent and application; but not necessarily at such a high price that it costs so much baggage. For me, potential alone, is too amorphous a word, it's too abstract or incorporeal; it doesn't get it done. I like Jackson, from the little I've seen - he looks super mobile and quite skilful for his size. So there's no doubting...the 'potential' is there. But is all the hype really based off one quarter, the 3rd quarter of last year's GF..?!?!?! Because aside from that I can't name one game I've watched of Melbourne's where I watched him closely that warrants what all the hype has been in the last several months here with everyone getting super-starry eyed at the prospect of it. Well, not everyone but a large enough contingent, it just feels very unstable and uncomfortable in the making.
I like the idea of prospects like Sharp and Henry (Oliver) because I think they can add something without costing the earth, but I also concede - we need the best players you can find. I know the reasoning behind Jackson has been justified in the people's minds who are very much in the 'yes please' camp, I'm just not one of them. In the end (I'll try to come full circle!), I'm just too scarred from that Hogan outcome and I would hate to see it fall apart like it did then because we didn't learn our lessons. Again!
Of course there's every chance it'll all be alright and come good, but how often do you equate big Freo trades with a successful outcome?!
I don't care we're okay because we're supposedly in "our window", that can very easily come undone with all the wrong moves. Sounds like quite a few are being shown the door or 'potentially' shown the door because of it. Because of cap space. Some I'm not too worried about, I think players like Acres and Tucker are not huge losses, I think Lobb is a polarising figure and I understand why - it doesn't feel like Lobb plays for anyone other than Lobb, but right now he's our best goalkicker and worth more to us staying than not whilst Amiss and Treacy are developing. Of course, with respect a lot of that is down to Lobb and his own personal wishes and not tied in to the Jackson thing. It wouldn't be so bad if Tabs could remain on the park, but he can't and it's his biggest downfall. It's all a bit crestfallen, at times...the woes of the Freo Forward!
Anyway, it makes for nervy times but I guess it's in the club's court now and if they're gunning for Jackson it'll get done anyway, it just feels like a 'potentially' monstrous price for me and it draws too many parallels to what's come before. Caveat Emptor....I don't think anyone of them is really listening though
I was one of the ones that 'thought' trading in Hogan was a big step to the answer of our problems (kicking goals, lots of goals..). I might not have declared it much publicly, but I saw it as a huge solution going forward. I saw ...wait for it..."potential".
So when Hogan finally came (now we know with the wonders of hindsight at a BIG cost..) I was elated. Finally, we had our man!!
And then......it all fell apart. Pretty quick sharp. Since then, and with Bennell and McCarthy not working out either, you often are left wondering...what is really the right move now for Freo?! Do they risk a "big fish" trade again?! Because certainly in the last 4 or so years, it just hasn't worked out. And you could argue that was down to character, as in - Hogan was a wild thing, a wild card that in the end, the club couldn't tame...and in around that time before Hogan eventually left Jason Carter was behaving like a dickhead, Kersten pissed off after looking like a really toxic influence...etc etc. I suppose, at least we weeded out the shit and settled the club down. But there are times it feels almost, too robotic....I mean, I don't mind if they're a bit of a dickhead as long as they can lace up the boots and get the job done out there. Sometimes you need that "wild thing" talent, as long as it doesn't corrupt the culture and they are still invested in their club...I look at Eric Cantona in the EPL for Manchester United in the early Nineties, totally bonkers and unpredictable, but incredibly effective on the field - a game changer! If you don't follow the EPL or know who he is go and look at his goals on YT, unbelievable some of them.
Anyway, I digress - in retrospect, it was a bridge too far though and the club took the loss of Hogan (much to the ire of many of us!) and cut the deadwood adrift....so to speak.
It's not that I think Jackson is in this boat. Not at all. It's that I have reservations because whenever Freo gets 'excitable' about a Big Fish trade, it invariably goes pear-shaped. It's worked so much more better scouting for good clubmen, with talent and application; but not necessarily at such a high price that it costs so much baggage. For me, potential alone, is too amorphous a word, it's too abstract or incorporeal; it doesn't get it done. I like Jackson, from the little I've seen - he looks super mobile and quite skilful for his size. So there's no doubting...the 'potential' is there. But is all the hype really based off one quarter, the 3rd quarter of last year's GF..?!?!?! Because aside from that I can't name one game I've watched of Melbourne's where I watched him closely that warrants what all the hype has been in the last several months here with everyone getting super-starry eyed at the prospect of it. Well, not everyone but a large enough contingent, it just feels very unstable and uncomfortable in the making.
I like the idea of prospects like Sharp and Henry (Oliver) because I think they can add something without costing the earth, but I also concede - we need the best players you can find. I know the reasoning behind Jackson has been justified in the people's minds who are very much in the 'yes please' camp, I'm just not one of them. In the end (I'll try to come full circle!), I'm just too scarred from that Hogan outcome and I would hate to see it fall apart like it did then because we didn't learn our lessons. Again!
Of course there's every chance it'll all be alright and come good, but how often do you equate big Freo trades with a successful outcome?!
I don't care we're okay because we're supposedly in "our window", that can very easily come undone with all the wrong moves. Sounds like quite a few are being shown the door or 'potentially' shown the door because of it. Because of cap space. Some I'm not too worried about, I think players like Acres and Tucker are not huge losses, I think Lobb is a polarising figure and I understand why - it doesn't feel like Lobb plays for anyone other than Lobb, but right now he's our best goalkicker and worth more to us staying than not whilst Amiss and Treacy are developing. Of course, with respect a lot of that is down to Lobb and his own personal wishes and not tied in to the Jackson thing. It wouldn't be so bad if Tabs could remain on the park, but he can't and it's his biggest downfall. It's all a bit crestfallen, at times...the woes of the Freo Forward!
Anyway, it makes for nervy times but I guess it's in the club's court now and if they're gunning for Jackson it'll get done anyway, it just feels like a 'potentially' monstrous price for me and it draws too many parallels to what's come before. Caveat Emptor....I don't think anyone of them is really listening though
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Henry is asking for too much for Henry.
Though potentially that's just the price for anyone BUT Geelong.
It'd be worth throwing our hand in if we're any chance at all. As with all trades there's plenty of scope for things to move substantially away from asking price. The biggest problem for us getting a cheaper deal would be competition from Geelong and other Vic clubs. He's a lot more likely to get a game with us over Geelong though.
Freo aren’t getting a first round pick for lobb… they might swap firsts but they won’t get a first out right
Was thinking that trade myself, anything paying much more than that and I would start to get nervous about it.
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