Preview 2022 Rd 15 Carlton vs Fremantle Saturday June 25 1:45PM @ Marvel Stadium - Team Post #808

[F_therest]

Oddly enough, after years of bemoaning having to play at Marvel and wanting more games at the MCG - it's actually become the venue for our best footy. Suits our game a little better than the G, and the full houses we are bringing help lift the side. We'll be in this one at the finish.

Yep and we used to have a better chance of winning when it was wet.

That's all changed now since we've become a high possession team...bring on games at Marvel!

 

[bmaurizio]

Freo match will be all about midfield supremacy as always , unfortunately we’re not traveling well recent and we’re up against formidable opposition.
TDK & Silvagni Ruck help at best, so Darcy & Lobb will toy with them, later in the game.
Hope our boys give it their all, come ready for combat, right to the very end, we should bring home the 4 points just. Go Blues

 

[spry]

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[Mr_Plow]

Im honestly at the point where I'll accept a loss this week as long as we don't pick up any more injuries, to give us the best chance of beating Saints, WC and Geelong. Those will define our season more than this week imo. In this stretch we should get back Cerra, Weitering, Pitto and maybe Gov.

In our last 3 games we've had 5 injuries, including 3 key defenders.

Collingwood - Weitering
Essendon - Cerra, Marchbank
Richmond - Martin, Durdin

Just ridiculous.

Totally agree. If we could simply forfeit this game (and avoid any further injuries...) and move onto that critical 3 week block (+ Giants and Adelaide after that), would be amazing. Need to win 4 of those to secure finals.

 

[blueblooded]

Results this week prove there’s no such thing as a certainty. Top 10-11 teams are extremely even this year. Melbourne have lost a couple of players and haven’t looked like it the past few weeks. Sydney beat them a few weeks and then drop a game to an undermanned port yesterday and got flogged. There will be upsets galore in the 2nd half of the year to the point it wouldn’t surprise me if 12 wins gets you in as it most always does.

Clearly the defence will be undersized and they have an ascendcy in the rucks but don’t count us out. If we won by 25 points or lost by 50 I wouldn’t be surprised either way.

 

[Jeremias]

Massive game for the club. A bit of doubt starting to creep in about our credentials, and this is a great opportunity to remind that we haven't let adversity nor external noise get to us yet.

I am strangely confident about this one despite coming off two losses in a row. I am buoyed by the fact that despite being comprehensively outplayed by both Collingwood and Richmond, we ultimately had our chances to pinch both games.

I would be tipping Fremantle over there, but on our home deck it's a different story.

Will be fascinating to see how we structure up down back. Taberner, Lobb and Darcy will cause issues against a defensive unit that is currently thread bare. Haven't thought much yet about team changes, but you'd think Kemp is a must to come in for this one.

At the other end of the ground we'll cause issues. There aren't many if any teams out there who can contain both Charlie and Harry. Remove the weather as a factor and I'm tipping at least one will go big.

Midfield battle is where it'll be won and you'd think our guys will be pretty keen to make a statement after being uncharacteristically overshadowed over the past few weeks. Brayshaw, Brodie, Serong, Fyfe, Mundy...it's a pretty formidable unit and a significant challenge, but not one I'm willing to suggest is insurmountable by any stretch.

Win this and we're just about there. That's a pretty big incentive for the group you'd think.

 

[AceAndy]

Massive game for the club. A bit of doubt starting to creep in about our credentials, and this is a great opportunity to remind that we haven't let adversity nor external noise get to us yet.

I am strangely confident about this one despite coming off two losses in a row. I am buoyed by the fact that despite being comprehensively outplayed by both Collingwood and Richmond, we ultimately had our chances to pinch both games.

I would be tipping Fremantle over there, but on our home deck it's a different story.

Will be fascinating to see how we structure up down back. Taberner, Lobb and Darcy will cause issues against a defensive unit that is currently thread bare. Haven't thought much yet about team changes, but you'd think Kemp is a must to come in for this one.

At the other end of the ground we'll cause issues. There aren't many if any teams out there who can contain both Charlie and Harry. Remove the weather as a factor and I'm tipping at least one will go big.

Midfield battle is where it'll be won and you'd think our guys will be pretty keen to make a statement after being uncharacteristically overshadowed over the past few weeks. Brayshaw, Brodie, Serong, Fyfe, Mundy...it's a pretty formidable unit and a significant challenge, but not one I'm willing to suggest is insurmountable by any stretch.

Win this and we're just about there. That's a pretty big incentive for the group you'd think.

Would you be more confident if i told you we are not coming off two losses in a row.

 

[F_therest]

Totally agree. If we could simply forfeit this game (and avoid any further injuries...) and move onto that critical 3 week block (+ Giants and Adelaide after that), would be amazing. Need to win 4 of those to secure finals.

Yep I would take that offer.

You'd like to think we'd beat WC, GWS and Adelaide...though the first 2 are improving.

Then surely we manage 1 win from Freo, Saints, Geelong, Melbourne, Brisbane and Collingwood...a good run with injuries and we are good enough to win most or at least half of those. If we lose all these in addition to Collingwood and Richmond then we don't deserve to play finals.

With how bad WC and North have been, might need 14 wins this year or 13 with a really good percentage.

 

[Jeremias]

Would you be more confident if i told you we are not coming off two losses in a row.

Ha. Completely forgot about the Essendon game.

Confident either way.

 

[spry]

Long arse post inbound

Breakdown of last time we played them

Quite even here. The major concern is the 38 inside 50’s and low scoring efficiency considering our low amount of inside 50’s
We’ve had 51,54,56 inside 50’s in the last 3 matches with efficiency hovering 36%- 43%



They dominated us in the ruck. But I would have thought from the memory of the game that they beat us more around the ball. Remember this was the first game TDK was thrown in the fire.



The next pics IMHO are far more concerning.
(Can someone manage to do a stat of the likely hood of the team with the higher average speed in defence winning the game as I think there’s a really high correlation)



They dominated us in sprint efforts. We cannot have this happen again or we won’t win.




With that out of the way here’s a list of things that we do have that we didn’t last time.

- Ability to transition the ball.

- Harry was battling a knee injury through the game at full fitness now

-Our wings are far more settled (still room for growth) setters and cotters weren’t as up to speed then


I really hope we build the ball up slowly to HF and give ourselves deep entries. This will allow us to negate their running game and be set up behind the ball to try and keep the ball in our half. It also tries to limit their elite pressure. Put the smalls at the fall of the ball. Tackle hard. More cameos from HFF durdin/Fish/ carrol in the contest to keep us more agile in the clinches.

I think we can do this. Just need to stick to a method. We looked the best against the tigs whenever it started to get dryer. Under the roof at marvel will help this. We need to convert our clearances to quality inside 50’s






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[Kreuuuzeurns]

They have a great back line but no club can contain Harry and Charlie if we get it in quickly. Midfield get back on top and we win, and I think they will after a tough game on Thursday.

 

[Juice030103]

Why’s everyone getting so negative for?

-We lost to the pies purely because weitering got injured and no one will convince me otherwise

- Richmond horrible injury list and still almost beat them fully healthy (also was shocking conditions)

Playing Freo who are due for a loss and we are playing at a ground i reckon we are perfectly suited for.

I think we defs beat saints week after I don’t rate them at all even before the loss this week. Honestly not worried at all about that game.

Why is there so many people freaking out?

Are the blues not allowed to have a “down patch” like every other side in the afl does?

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

Not allowed to point a finger at the Fish he does three good things a game - the last of the cameo players...I'm relaxed ... Honey and then Cuningham will sort things out...

But, Fish, who I had in the 'trade' basket along with Samo last year, has been pretty good this year, until about 3 weeks ago.
He's an important member of the team, much like Dow. If his form returns. They may have some defensive liabilities, but that is more than balanced out by the pace and tricks they contribute. We currently have a team full of highly coveted midfield bulls, that are being out played and run off their feet by their more mobile opponents. We need to introduce high quality, fast ball movers (like Boyd is proving to be) throughout the side.
Honey and the mythical Cuningham would definitely improve us again in this area, but they're both unproven also at this stage, and Cunners may not even be on our list next year.

 

[Michael Jezz]

From what I’ve seen the last few weeks

Boyd > Williams.

(Not that Williams comes in)

Boyd has what Williams lacks. Defensive intent/ability 1v1 and ball use.

My old man has a saying ‘more haste, less speed’

I think Williams falls into this category. He looks like he’s in a rush but the net result from the chaos is usually a sub par result. His ball use which was a factor in his recruitment has been hackish at best.

I guess I’m saying all this to say I’m happy with how Boyd is going. Look forward to seeing how he progresses.


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Agree but Zac Williams wet weather skills would have been useful on the ball against Richmond

 

[Michael Jezz]

Think there's an awful lot of pessimism here. Freo have had huge issues against our midfield in the past, and they'll continue to do so.

What will determine the result is if they have a similar degree of ruck dominance as last time. The quality of their ruckman has not changed, but being able to plan to counter or negate that advantage is absolutely massive; you cannot plan for Pittonett to go down, but you can absolutely plan for TDK/Jack to stand Darcy.

They've been very good this year, but over there they matched our possession game. Here, at Marvel, it's a completely different game, and we have every reason to expect an improved performance as a reaction - if nothing else - to a perceived poor loss against Richmond.

We've not lost two in a row all year. Their talls aren't dominant, and they're not going to be able to block the same way they can at home.

No ******* idea about the margin; just have a feeling we'll get up.

Man for Man Freo are better
Anything other tip is based on gut feel.
Cripps needs a 10 clearance 3 goal game for us to win
And the backline as gallant as they were against the tigers

 

[BlueBlood15]

A bit of negativity in here but if we can snag one of the next two we put ourselves in a great position. We’d be 10-5 with games to come against Adelaide, West Coast and GWS and our key troops (Weitering, Pittonet and Cerra) will either be back or very close to back.

We can win this one if our midfield lift and we can certainly beat St Kilda the following week. I’m not writing off a team with Cripps, Walsh, Hewett, McKay, Curnow, Docherty and Saad on a ground that we are yet to lose at this year.

 

[Michael Jezz]

why are you SO negative about this game? we are in it up to our eyeballs...........

Freo are the best team in the AFL on current form

 

[Accidental genius]

Nothing to do with 'speed'.

Mindset and some inexperience on TDK's part....

Bit of speed still helps though.

Its a game of getting to the ball quicker than your opponent or running the ball out with speed so cant underate speed along with footy IQ, experience and mindset.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Genuine Q ODN, would you drop a guy on his 199th game? I’d SAY I would but I think I would find it very hard.

If it was required structurally and form wise, sure. He can always be sub. 200 isn't massive, especially at two clubs.

 

[Jeremias]

Freo are the best team in the AFL on current form

Geelong and Collingwood are both in better form.

 

[Accidental genius]

If it was required structurally and form wise, sure. He can always be sub. 200 isn't massive, especially at two clubs.

Gee wiz. Bit harsh. Its an importanmt milestone for a player and he is currently a blues player so he deserves a bit more respect than that.

 

[JustaBattler]

But, Fish, who I had in the 'trade' basket along with Samo last year, has been pretty good this year, until about 3 weeks ago.
He's an important member of the team, much like Dow. If his form returns. They may have some defensive liabilities, but that is more than balanced out by the pace and tricks they contribute. We currently have a team full of highly coveted midfield bulls, that are being out played and run off their feet by their more mobile opponents. We need to introduce high quality, fast ball movers (like Boyd is proving to be) throughout the side.
Honey and the mythical Cuningham would definitely improve us again in this area, but they're both unproven also at this stage, and Cunners may not even be on our list next year.

I dont think Fish or Martin have the running power to play the game that Voss is employing atm given our outs.

I reckon the structural weaknesses Carlton is playing through ( not talking injured players missing) are the half forward flanks and wings. Voss expects the half forwards to impact between the arcs as high wings and wingmen to be play behind the ball more than forward.

This puts a premium on running power for half-forwards and I don't think Fisher has that and Martin hasn't been much chop lately either. I also think the way he plays the wings is purposeful - because they are weaker players in the contest which means Carlton's best avenue to goal is more direct through the corridor.

The real game plan is intercept marking via McGovern/Docherty and direct overlap running from HB through the guts on the outside...and a follow up forward pres from defensive structures - we haven't seen this in over a month now- because of injuries - if you are missing the tall intercept capability the real game plan is harder to implement.

Our on ballers are getting slogged because they never get first use because we are playing with one ruck - and the opposition has worked out that all they have to do is tap wide to get over the back on side of the bulls - our defensive wings haven't been smart enough to cover for this tactic and their man at the same time ...

Easy to fix you say - just add some speed in the midfield to cover for this tactic- we don't have the faster leg speed players who are also good enough to win a contest in open field play - Cerra has been a huge out...on top of everything else...

The side is in a holding guts it out phase waiting for the talls to get back on the field... it is what it is.

Add Pittonet back in and TDK can go forward and be a relief ruck which means forward structure can be maintained and becomes almost impossible to defend against tbh - because TDK and Harry up front allows Charlie to roam
Add Weitering back in and you shore up the defensive capability as well as rebound
Add McGovern/Marchbank and you get back forward intercept capability allowing for defensive press to move forward which improves teh pressure game immensely

add Honey /Cuningham to the forward mix you get stronger running and classier finishers....improving scoring capability as well as defensive capability...


What grinds my teeth is losing games against Richmnond in the manner it was ultimately lost - very unconvincing win by them and after the 6 goal start even. Carlton has heart now - it can keep you in the contest because Harry and Charlie can pile on a score - real fast.

 

[Jimmyonesix]

so you dont think we need a bit of speed in our mid group?

I dont know the numbers but going by what others have said it appears weve been beaten in centre clearances the past 3 weeks.

whats going on there?

I think TDK inability to open holes with follow up and his ineffective tap work against stronger bodied opponents is what is affecting out clearance more than actual speed from the source clearance -- I would like burst speed but on the periphery which we lack outside Saad and maybe young durdin have .
TDK still two full pre seasons off in my opinion which accounts for nothing

 

[Benaly28]

Honey should come in for Martin...the only bloke with speed and X factor on our list.

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[Kreuuuzeurns]

Man for Man Freo are better
Anything other tip is based on gut feel.
Cripps needs a 10 clearance 3 goal game for us to win
And the backline as gallant as they were against the tigers

He had 32 and 3 when we last played and we still lost.

Forwards need great service and the smalls need to hold it on our half.

Backline held up very well last week, considering the record amount of inside 50s. If we hold Freo to a reasonable amount we’ll go well.