Rumour 2022 Rumour Discussion Thread

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[George Kramer]

On Gallucci .....lets face it, the talent was there .....the work-rate wasn't ..that's on the player !

Its not like recruiters dont try and judge how a draftee will take to the workload of the AFL.....

 

[Runnin Blue]

Sounds like he's gone

Well, trade week falls outside the “immediate future”.

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[Mutineer]

You see Mutineer this is why you should never criticise other posters when they express an opinion on Hamish's drafting. Unlike you, we acknowledge his good ones, you on the other hand make excuses for the duds. Hell you are bagging McAsey without any blame on Hamish for using pick 6 on him.

Stop being a cheerleader.

We needed a Talia replacement in waiting, McAsey was adjudged by all the Draft experts as being the best KPD available backed up by his All Australian selection and Vic Metro M.V.P. Would I have selected him no, I would have kept pick 4, not traded down and taken Lachie Ash....Of course that would also mean we wouldn't have Luke Pedlar on our list now who if everything goes well with his development could be that explosive mid/forward that puts bums on seats and lights up the AFL.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Its not like recruiters dont try and judge how a draftee will take to the workload of the AFL.....

This is true .... sometimes, though, the actions don't replicate the words draftees say to recruiters

The mentality to do the work, the want to improve ....has always been the sticking point with drafting .....you can have all the talent, yet when it's comes so easily, because of the talent .....the drive to get better just isn't there at AFL level

I remember a quote from Gallucci ...."all i've ever wanted was to play AFL" ......yet after his delisting, as with many others, what have they done to get back into the AFL

So many delisted players drift away and disappear from state ranks

 

[rabidcrow]

I don't think you will find a poster that says Hamish doesn't get some right, its posters who can't acknowledge when he doesn't, especially with 4 dud first rounders, perhaps they should be the one self reflecting before passing comment

The back to back misses with Jones McHenry and Macasey have scarred people pretty badly. Outside of this critical two years drafting has been pretty good. Would still suggest we have too many sub 180’s on the list as well which goes through all the picks we have - albeit a number of them are promising


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[Danger Zone]

A recruiter can only be judged on their track record. Hamish has overall been very good with picks after 20 and poor with those earlier than that.

 

[George Kramer]

We needed a Talia replacement in waiting, McAsey was adjudged by all the Draft experts as being the best KPD available backed up by his All Australian selection and Vic Metro M.V.P. Would I have selected him no, I would have kept pick 4, not traded down and taken Lachie Ash....Of course that would also mean we wouldn't have Luke Pedlar on our list now who if everything goes well with his development could be that explosive mid/forward that puts bums on seats and lights up the AFL.

So Hamish made an error. Thats one acknowledged sort of.

 

[George Kramer]

This is true .... sometimes, though, the actions don't replicate the words draftees say to recruiters

The mentality to do the work, the want to improve ....has always been the sticking point with drafting .....you can have all the talent, yet when it's comes so easily, because of the talent .....the drive to get better just isn't there at AFL level

I remember a quote from Gallucci ...."all i've ever wanted was to play AFL" ......yet after his delisting, as with many others, what have they done to get back into the AFL

So many delisted players drift away and disappear from state ranks

I suppose we have just been unlucky with some of our first round picks

 

[GROTTO]

I suppose we have just been unlucky with some of our first round picks

The only 1st rounders that I believe we nailed are: Danger, TT (potentially) and Rachele (potentially).

We have "blown" a lot on players that never become really elite.

Unless Im forgetting someone off the top of my head.

 

[Big Dub]

I think that there are a few things we can all agree on with Hamish:

• he's very good at the later picks
• he's had some misses for the first round picks
• his last few top picks (inc Pedlar for me) look really good picks
• he built a minor premiership list with this approach (without access to really top end draft picks), that the club then destroyed

Given this time around he has had access to some really top end draft picks already with probably at least another 2 to go, not sure we shouldn't just let him do that building a minor premiership list thing again. But not blow it up on him this time. Sure, get some other input into the top picks (not that this hasn't backfired before), but he clearly can build a list.

If there is someone willing to move to Adelaide that has built better lists, bring him in too. But I'm not sure sacking Hamish is the answer to our list building needs.

 

[George Kramer]

The only 1st rounders that I believe we nailed are: Danger, TT (potentially) and Rachele (potentially).

We have "blown" a lot on players that never become really elite.

Unless Im forgetting someone off the top of my head.

Add Lever and also looking like Fog will be.

Pedlar too early, whether he becomes a good AFL player or very good/elite time will tell.

Milera, has under delivered but injuries havent helped, would he have delivered without them? Thats the unknown.

Doedee unfortunately looks like has stagnated at good AFL player.

 

[George Kramer]

I think that there are a few things we can all agree on with Hamish:

• he's very good at the later picks
• he's had some misses for the first round picks
• his last few top picks (inc Pedlar for me) look really good picks
• he built a minor premiership list with this approach (without access to really top end draft picks), that the club then destroyed

Given this time around he has had access to some really top end draft picks already with probably at least another 2 to go, not sure we shouldn't just let him do that building a minor premiership list thing again. But not blow it up on him this time. Sure, get some other input into the top picks (not that this hasn't backfired before), but he clearly can build a list.

If there is someone willing to move to Adelaide that has built better lists, bring him in too. But I'm not sure sacking Hamish is the answer to our list building needs.

Thats not true, a number of top players in that side Rendell selected.

 

[GROTTO]

Add Lever and also looking like Fog will be.

Pedlar too early, whether he becomes a good AFL player or very good/elite time will tell.

Milera, has under delivered but injuries havent helped, would he have delivered without them? Thats the unknown.

Doedee unfortunately looks like has stagnated at good AFL player.

Yes Im happy to count Fog (potentially) as well.

Im probably biased, but dont consider Lever to be elite.

Milera and Doedee appear to be busts as well. Fairly confident they wont be elite.

 

[Iron]

Sounds like he's gone

What it sounds like is the response a D grade journalist should expect to get when accosting a player at the airport. Just a whole lot of nothing

 

[Chase13]

Yes Im happy to count Fog (potentially) as well.

Im probably biased, but dont consider Lever to be elite.

Milera and Doedee appear to be busts as well. Fairly confident they wont be elite.

Off topic but did we get Frampton for from port adelaide

whats his worth

 

[rabidcrow]

The only 1st rounders that I believe we nailed are: Danger, TT (potentially) and Rachele (potentially).

We have "blown" a lot on players that never become really elite.

Unless Im forgetting someone off the top of my head.

Depends on what you class as truly elite - is that an AA award, a B&F etc

Lever was definitely elite in my view, prime Smith, Tahlia in his position, Davis as well. We missed a couple of years with sanctions as well. Milera, Doedee and Fog (this one could change) have fallen short of elite. And then we hit the bad years!! Before recovering recently


I think those early 2010 picks were right around the mark though - just not in the sexy positions (key forward or star mid)


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[Jarman3]

Can you please explain Fogarty, Thilthorpe, Rachele, Soligo, Cook and Taylor's bad skills to me or even Jimmy Rowe...I must be missing something surely

In fairness, his past 2 drafts look like they've been much better than a lot of his previous work (although there's a lot of excitement about potential there that could still turn into disappointing actual results). But he's been in the seat for what... 10 years? He gets to take a lot of the credit (if that's the word) for the state of our current list since he played a significant role in building it over a long time, not just the past 2 years.

2013-18, in particular, make for pretty grim reading. Looking at the list of players we drafted in that time, Fogarty is the only one that stirs even a faint inkling of excitement in me. And I guess Lever, although he's no longer on our list but that's not Hamish's fault. And M Crouch was a good player for a time so you'd give Hamish the credit for that, rather than him falling off the cliff later in his career. But most of the others taken in that time have ranged from honest triers (eg Jones, McHenry), guys who never quite seemed to live up to their early promise (eg Milera, Doedee) or just outright spuds (eg Gallucci, Poholke, O'Connor).

 

[Mutineer]

The only 1st rounders that I believe we nailed are: Danger, TT (potentially) and Rachele (potentially).

We have "blown" a lot on players that never become really elite.

Unless Im forgetting someone off the top of my head.

Lever certainly gets talked about as elite in his role

 

[DJ75]

Lever certainly gets talked about as elite in his role

Elite level flog

 

[GROTTO]

Lever certainly gets talked about as elite in his role

Yes I do agree he does.

Good defender yes, Good as an intercept marker most definitely.

Better than a lot of other defenders, yeah sure.

But elite? I think its loosely used term.

 

[Mutineer]

Elite level flog

Maybe so but if you remember correctly Twomey and co had him as the numero uno high character guy in his draft as did most recruiters...just goes to show drafting is an inexact science.

 

[GROTTO]

Depends on what you class as truly elite - is that an AA award, a B&F etc

Lever was definitely elite in my view, prime Smith, Tahlia in his position, Davis as well. We missed a couple of years with sanctions as well. Milera, Doedee and Fog (this one could change) have fallen short of elite. And then we hit the bad years!! Before recovering recently


I think those early 2010 picks were right around the mark though - just not in the sexy positions (key forward or star mid)


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Talia was elite.

I dont count Smith as elite.

Its a good point you raise, depends on what you class as elite, yeah sure AA, B&F can be applied. But IMO, elite, means there is no doubt or conversation whatsoever.

The "sexy position" is also a good call, I think they tend to attract the term elite more so than others.

Yes in retrospect, our 2010 picks were around the mark, but we never really nailed elite players consistently with them.

 

[GROTTO]

Off topic but did we get Frampton for from port adelaide

whats his worth

He was Pick 84 in the 2018 draft.

 

[Jarman3]

He was Pick 84 in the 2018 draft.

And if I recall correctly we gave Port a future 4th round selection which they didn't even end up using?

 

[ams4crows]

Talia was great for us and vitality important in terms of structure but Fyfe was taken several picks after him and he's truly elite.

Is that what people mean when they say we haven't picked many elite players?