Rumour 2022 Rumour Discussion Thread

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[WaynesWorld19]

I suppose we have just been unlucky with some of our first round picks

So have many, many, other Clubs .....you do have a tendency to write players off too quickly though George

Jones & Ned won't be champions .......but I can see the potential, for them to be at Richard Douglas levels .....but I'm an optimist generally, and I admire players who always give 100% ......in Finals that's invaluable & shouldn't be dismissed

 

[Mutineer]

Talia was great for us and vitality important in terms of structure but Fyfe was taken several picks after him and he's truly elite.

Is that what people mean when they say we haven't picked many elite players?

What the Hell was Matt Rendell thinking to overlook Nat Fyfe in favour of Daniel Talia?

 

[Mego Red]

Talia was great for us and vitality important in terms of structure but Fyfe was taken several picks after him and he's truly elite.

Is that what people mean when they say we haven't picked many elite players?

Talia was All Australian and a B&F winner in a successful team. He was elite.

 

[dogs105]

The back to back misses with Jones McHenry and Macasey have scarred people pretty badly. Outside of this critical two years drafting has been pretty good. Would still suggest we have too many sub 180’s on the list as well which goes through all the picks we have - albeit a number of them are promising


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No teams always get it right.

Melbourne did very well with Petracca at 2, Brayshaw at 3, Pickett at 12, Jackson at 3 and Oliver at 4.

Also used first rounders on:
1 Watts
17 Blease
2 Trengove
11 Gysberts
18 Tapscott
12 Lucas Cook
2 Jesse Hogan
4 Toumpas
9 Weidemann

Pick 1, pick 2 (twice) and pick 4 is a fair waste.

Hawthorn hit with Lewis, Buddy, Roughead, Hodge. And missed with schoenmakers, Thorp, Brennan and Dowler over the same time period. 2 picks 6s and a pick 7 gone.

Shows how hard it is I guess.

 

[dogs105]

No teams always get it right.

Melbourne did very well with Petracca at 2, Brayshaw at 3, Pickett at 12, Jackson at 3 and Oliver at 4.

Also used first rounders on:
1 Watts
17 Blease
2 Trengove
11 Gysberts
18 Tapscott
12 Lucas Cook
2 Jesse Hogan
4 Toumpas
9 Weidemann

Pick 1, pick 2 (twice) and pick 4 is a fair waste.

Hawthorn hit with Lewis, Buddy, Roughead, Hodge. And missed with schoenmakers, Thorp, Brennan and Dowler over the same time period. 2 picks 6s and a pick 7 gone.

Shows how hard it is I guess.

Interestingly, both these sides have traded away their first rounder multiple times in last 10-15 years

 

[Kane Johnson]

Kane Johnson was/is elite.

 

[rabidcrow]

Talia was great for us and vitality important in terms of structure but Fyfe was taken several picks after him and he's truly elite.

Is that what people mean when they say we haven't picked many elite players?

Hence the “sexy position”. Tahlia was an elite full back. Fyfe was an elite mid - and you would prefer that over the other. Having said that it’s important to have some elite type players spread throughout the field


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[Chase13]

And if I recall correctly we gave Port a future 4th round selection which they didn't even end up using?

Do we get anything for Frampton ?

 

[GameofSloanes]

I’m not wrong, I’ve never said Hamish didn’t rate him, you have when you’ve downplayed Hamish selecting him. He had to rate him pure and simple, those are the facts and he was wrong.

Just like he was with McAsey Jones and McHenry. But hey, what does it matter, they are only 4 first rounders.

Mutineer is partially correct. Hamish wanted to pick English (correctly), if he had been allowed to select who he rated highest that's who he would've picked and everyone would be saying he nailed it.

But.... he was told to pick the best player with speed & run instead..... which in Hamish's opinion was Gallucci. Was there a player available that better met that brief? Maybe. There were certainly players that have turned out better including Witherden at 23, Shai Bolton at 29, Tom Stewart at 40, Luke Ryan at 66. Not sure any of them bring speed, Bolton possibly. So you could argue his assessment of speed and run players was off, but he fully intended to pick English

We should have been picking based on talent not something like speed

 

[Peter Doherty]

No teams always get it right.

Melbourne did very well with Petracca at 2, Brayshaw at 3, Pickett at 12, Jackson at 3 and Oliver at 4.

Also used first rounders on:
1 Watts
17 Blease
2 Trengove
11 Gysberts
18 Tapscott
12 Lucas Cook
2 Jesse Hogan
4 Toumpas
9 Weidemann

Pick 1, pick 2 (twice) and pick 4 is a fair waste.

Hawthorn hit with Lewis, Buddy, Roughead, Hodge. And missed with schoenmakers, Thorp, Brennan and Dowler over the same time period. 2 picks 6s and a pick 7 gone.

Shows how hard it is I guess.

This.

So many people only ever look at their own club and have little idea about what goes on competition wide.

 

[Dudersaurus]

Off topic but did we get Frampton for from port adelaide

whats his worth

Indirectly for a burnt to a crisp overcooked Sam Jacobs.

He went to GWS and we used that pick for Frampton.

Essentially free.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Add Lever and also looking like Fog will be.

Pedlar too early, whether he becomes a good AFL player or very good/elite time will tell.

Milera, has under delivered but injuries havent helped, would he have delivered without them? Thats the unknown.

Doedee unfortunately looks like has stagnated at good AFL player.

Yep

Id have our first pick “busts” as..

Mcasay
Milera (injuries havent helped)
Doedee (borderline)
Mchenry
Jones
Gallucci

Thats not to say some of these guys aren’t alright and very servicable players thats why I wrote it as “busts”.. just that they arent worth the first round picks that were spent on them..

Our definite “wins” as..

Fog
Lever

And our probable “wins” (off what we’ve seen so far) as..

Pedlar
Rachele
TT

And that makes for painful viewing..

 

[Runnin Blue]

You guys are priceless. If we turfed every player after they had one inconsistent year, we’d have no players left.

It is impossible to have “elite” players all over the field.

The talk about Doedee is ****ing insane.

 

[LoBu]

The only 1st rounders that I believe we nailed are: Danger, TT (potentially) and Rachele (potentially).

We have "blown" a lot on players that never become really elite.

Unless Im forgetting someone off the top of my head.

Fogarty looking pretty good now. Also Doedee and Davies, Talia.

Not getting elite is not the only measure, also getting the best available is a better measure.

You need to remember we didn't have top 10 picks for almost 20 years.

 

[Bearded Clam]

You guys are priceless. If we turfed every player after they had one inconsistent year, we’d have no players left.

It is impossible to have “elite” players all over the field.

The talk about Doedee is ******* insane.

We’re not saying (well I’m not) Doedee is a shit player..

Just that he’s not worth a first rounder.

Definitely a great player.

And the only reason I’d consider trading him is because 1) he’d have value and 2) he’s replaceable.

If it got us a very good midfielder in return I’d call it a win.

 

[LoBu]

Yep

Id have our first pick “busts” as..

Mcasay
Milera (injuries havent helped)
Doedee (borderline)
Mchenry
Jones
Gallucci

Thats not to say some of these guys aren’t alright and very servicable players thats why I wrote it as “busts”.. just that they arent worth the first round picks that were spent on them..

Our definite “wins” as..

Fog
Lever

And our probable “wins” (off what we’ve seen so far) as..

Pedlar
Rachele
TT

And that makes for painful viewing..

Doedee being assessed a 'bust' puts the rest of your analysis in the don't bother basket.

 

[Apsaalooke]

Lever certainly gets talked about as elite in his role

Yes but the loose intercept defender is the easiest gig in football. Sure Lever does it well but it's not that difficult.
Brent Reilly shone in that role for us for a year or two, having been bog ordinary in previous roles. Hell even Jason Cloke excelled for Collingwood for awhile

 

[Peter Doherty]

We’re not saying (well I’m not) Doedee is a s**t player..

Just that he’s not worth a first rounder.

Definitely a great player.

And the only reason I’d consider trading him is because 1) he’d have value and 2) he’s replaceable.

If it got us a very good midfielder in return I’d call it a win.

Doedee hasn't lived up to pick 17 expectations?

Do not agree with this.

 

[George Kramer]

So have many, many, other Clubs .....you do have a tendency to write players off too quickly though George

Jones & Ned won't be champions .......but I can see the potential, for them to be at Richard Douglas levels .....but I'm an optimist generally, and I admire players who always give 100% ......in Finals that's invaluable & shouldn't be dismissed

Many Many other clubs have ****ed up 4 first rounders in recent years? Ok, please list them.

I don't rate McAsey, Jones and McHenry, that's not a tendency, that's my opinion on those 3 players, you have differing opinions on them but that's on you not me. Jones and Ned are not up to Douglas's level and I thought he was a good player, nothing more.

So who else have I written off too quickly seeing its a tendency of mine. I think you will struggle though as its a tendency of yours to make things up when trying to make a point.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Doedee hasn't lived up to pick 17 expectations?

Do not agree with this.

your opinion and youre free to it.. just as I am to mine..

I just dont reacon he’s a first rounder.

 

[119others]

We needed a Talia replacement in waiting, McAsey was adjudged by all the Draft experts as being the best KPD available backed up by his All Australian selection and Vic Metro M.V.P. Would I have selected him no, I would have kept pick 4, not traded down and taken Lachie Ash....Of course that would also mean we wouldn't have Luke Pedlar on our list now who if everything goes well with his development could be that explosive mid/forward that puts bums on seats and lights up the AFL.

Exactly right re we got Pedlar as part of trading down to 6 and Mc Asey was VERY highly rated before the draft as you correctly stated. At the time there was at least 2 other clubs (perhaps 3) - one was definitely Geelong (and from memory it could have also been Tigers) were trying to improve their draft position to move up to a top 7-8 pick to get Mc Asey. We were hardly the only ones rating him.

if we had kept 4 we probably would have taken Swans Stephens who has also done nothing.

 

[119others]

The back to back misses with Jones McHenry and Macasey have scarred people pretty badly. Outside of this critical two years drafting has been pretty good. Would still suggest we have too many sub 180’s on the list as well which goes through all the picks we have - albeit a number of them are promising


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that’s reasonable and I actually think Jones was almost the worst call of all. We were considering Butters with this pick and things would look VERY different now with Zac instead of Jones.

Mc Henry was a very late first round pick with bugger all taken in the next 10 or so picks after him. Hamill almost next best at 30 ish

Mc Asey has been covered above already but remember we got Pedlar as part of trading down from 4->6 which is a big bonus

When analysing “wasting first rounders” there needs to be a deeper analysis of what sort of quality the pick was. Pick 6 is quality. Pick 16 isn’t.

 

[Dirty Bird]

Jesus mate you’re relentless on Newchurch.

He is Cat B so is likely getting retained anyway.


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Is he really cat B?

I thought Cat B couldn't play games unless elevated. And he was named as emergency a few times.

 

[Peter Doherty]

your opinion and youre free to it.. just as I am to mine..

I just dont reacon he’s a first rounder.

The last 20 pick 17s...

Cameron Faulkner
Billy Morrison
Andrew McQualter
Darren Pfeiffer
Shaun Hampson
Harry Taylor
Sam Blease
Daniel Menzel
Shaun Atley
Clay Smith
Josh Simpson
Michael Apeness
Kyle Langford
Tom Doedee
Jarrod Berry
Jack Higgins
Sam Sturt
Brodie Kemp
Oliver Henry
Tom Brown

 

[Drewie11]

The only 1st rounders that I believe we nailed are: Danger, TT (potentially) and Rachele (potentially).

We have "blown" a lot on players that never become really elite.

Unless Im forgetting someone off the top of my head.

Didn’t Rendell pick Dangerfield? That’s his major claim to suggest he was a good