Rumour 2022 Rumour Discussion Thread

[Scorpus]

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[LoBu]

Exactly right re we got Pedlar as part of trading down to 6 and Mc Asey was VERY highly rated before the draft as you correctly stated. At the time there was at least 2 other clubs (perhaps 3) - one was definitely Geelong (and from memory it could have also been Tigers) were trying to improve their draft position to move up to a top 7-8 pick to get Mc Asey. We were hardly the only ones rating him.

if we had kept 4 we probably would have taken Swans Stephens who has also done nothing.

Once Bolton got the sack we lost our best option of number 1 pick, and then when AFL screwed Adelaide by giving Anderson to Gold Coast, splitting the pick was an excellent deal.

The merit of what we did with the picks is yet to play out, with Pedlar making a play to break out next year by consolidating himself in the best (most exciting at least) forward line in the league.

 

[119others]

Many Many other clubs have *ed up 4 first rounders in recent years? Ok, please list them.

I don't rate McAsey, Jones and McHenry, that's not a tendency, that's my opinion on those 3 players, you have differing opinions on them but that's on you not me. Jones and Ned are not up to Douglas's level and I thought he was a good player, nothing more.

So who else have I written off too quickly seeing its a tendency of mine. I think you will struggle though as its a tendency of yours to make things up when trying to make a point.

Geez mate you need to find some interests in life to stop sprouting the same crap over and over (and over) again.

The only 1st rounders that I believe we nailed are: Danger, TT (potentially) and Rachele (potentially).

We have "blown" a lot on players that never become really elite.

Unless Im forgetting someone off the top of my head.

cmon. Talia, Davis, Smith, Lever Fog, Dude,

 

[Bearded Clam]

The last 20 pick 17s...

Cameron Faulkner
Billy Morrison
Andrew McQualter
Darren Pfeiffer
Shaun Hampson
Harry Taylor
Sam Blease
Daniel Menzel
Shaun Atley
Clay Smith
Josh Simpson
Michael Apeness
Kyle Langford
Tom Doedee
Jarrod Berry
Jack Higgins
Sam Sturt
Brodie Kemp
Oliver Henry
Tom Brown

Thats not the way to look at it though is it.. totally irrelevant who has been taken at pick 17 in the past or since..

The best way to judge it is to look at who was taken after doedee in his draft year.. who we couldve had instead..

And McKay (north melbourne) or Dunkley (dogs) in our current side would be handy!

 

[morris086]

Just looking at some 2016 phantom drafts and it looks like Gallucci was a reach at the time. Shai Bolton

29

Shai Bolton

Age

25

Ht

176cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.3

3star

K

6.9

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.4

4star

D

12.7

3star

K

9.2

4star

HB

3.5

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.8

4star

D

9.2

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

4.6

4star

M

2.0

3star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.0

1star

was also around the mark, although most mention his inconsistencies at the time. To me Gallucci over Bolton is very similar to McAsey over De Koning, we went for the safer picks when there were options with far more upside available. I know this will get disregarded as revisionist or hindsight but talent scouts need to be able to see where a player projects at being his best otherwise you end up with too many Eberts over Dangerfields and your list becomes very vanilla.

Matt Balmer (24/11/16):
Gallucci 24, Bolton 38

Matt Balmer's 2016 Phantom Draft

Well draft time is upon us. It’s certainly been a big year – I’ve spent just shy of 300 hours watching football this season and it is one of the most even drafts for a long time. The depth of the 2016 draft is a big strength and clubs with multiple late picks should be […]

central.rookieme.com

Roar (16/11/16)
Gallucci 20, Bolton 14

AFL 2016 Phantom Draft 2: The top 55

With a week to go until the national draft, draft boards are still changing as more players are reviewed and new rumours continue to…

www.theroar.com.au

Twomey (24/11/16)
Gallucci 15, Bolton 30

Callum Twomey's 2016 Phantom Draft

Draft guru Callum Twomey reveals his top 30 and club whispers

www.afl.com.au

Knightmare (15/11/16):
Gallucci 20, Bolton 21

Knightmare's updated AFL phantom draft: Who goes where, and when?

ESPN.com.au AFL draft expert Christopher Doerre - aka Knightmare - has unveiled his updated phantom draft, with plenty of changes and surprises.

www.espn.com.au

Bigfooty mock (early Nov '16):
Gallucci 27, Bolton 22

BigFooty Official - Big Footy 2016 Phantom Draft

Participants Adelaide - Thunderstruck Brisbane - Quigley Carlton - LemmingMaster Collingwood - Knightmare Essendon - foj1 Fremantle - Chris25 Geelong - Skippos Gold Coast - Offsider GWS - Snoop Dog Hawthorn - POULTERBEAR Melbourne - DraftMe North Melbourne - Jack Package Port Adelaide - Gee Dub...

www.bigfooty.com

 

[George Kramer]

Geez mate you need to find some interests in life to stop sprouting the same crap over and over (and over) again.

cmon. Talia, Davis, Smith, Lever Fog, Dude,

You are right, when someone replies to my post with nonsense I should just ignore them. Thanks for the tip.

 

[Peter Doherty]

Thats not the way to look at it though is it.. totally irrelevant who has been taken at pick 17 in the past or since..

The best way to judge it is to look at who was taken after doedee in his draft year.. who we couldve had instead..

And McKay (north melbourne) or Dunkley (dogs) in our current side would be handy!

You're over rating pick 17.

Also I would rate Doedee ahead of McKay as a player and you know Dunkley was only ever being drafted by a Victorian team.

 

[Bearded Clam]

You are right, when someone replies to my post with nonsense I should just ignore them. Thanks for the tip.

Watch out GK… dont say something he disagrees with… he’ll spit the dummy, call you a clown, have a meltdown and put you on ignore!..

Bit of an unhinged mofo is 119others.. clearly thinks everyone should agree on here and no one should dare say anything bad about the club!

 

[George Kramer]

Watch out GK… dont say something he disagrees with… he’ll spit the dummy, call you a clown, have a meltdown and put you on ignore!..

Bit of an unhinged mofo is 119others.. clearly thinks everyone should agree on here and no one should dare say anything bad about the club!

I don't know if its my imagination, but most posters with 119 in their user name seem to be a little off. Apologies for those that aren't.

Whereas there are no posters with Kramer who aren't cool.

 

[GROTTO]

Not getting elite is not the only measure, also getting the best available is a better measure.

Look definitely agree, fulfilling a role and need for the team is just as important.

I will say though we definitely have lacked elite midfield talent with our picks, aside from Danger.

Elite mids is what wins flags at the end of the day.

 

[chazwazza]

Last few pages have some fascinating rumours

 

[baldandbroke]

Elite mids is what wins flags at the end of the day.

… like Dangerfield?

… like Lenny Hayes?

… like etc etc.

It’s ridiculous to equate one specific role within a team directly with that team’s success.

Maybe a better way to say it is that without elite mids, it is very hard to win a premiership.

There is a difference though.

You need a team around those elite midfielders.

 

[Large 1]

That rule doesn't exist anymore - it was eliminated during the COVID seasons.

Really? I missed that. Do you have any info on it? I can’t find it anywhere.

 

[GROTTO]

… like Dangerfield?

… like Lenny Hayes?

… like etc etc.

It’s ridiculous to equate one specific role within a team directly with that team’s success.

Maybe a better way to say it is that without elite mids, it is very hard to win a premiership.

There is a difference though.

You need a team around those elite midfielders.

Its ridiculous to think its not.

There isnt a better way. Its been proven over the last 20 years that elite mids win you flags.

Of course you need a support structure/spine in place to achieve it, that goes without saying. At the end of the day though, its elite mids that win you flags.

 

[CrowinNT]

Think I have stumbled into the recruiting- draft thread

 

[GROTTO]

Think I have stumbled into the recruiting- draft thread

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How adorable!

 

[70lethal]

No teams always get it right.

Melbourne did very well with Petracca at 2, Brayshaw at 3, Pickett at 12, Jackson at 3 and Oliver at 4.

Also used first rounders on:
1 Watts
17 Blease
2 Trengove
11 Gysberts
18 Tapscott
12 Lucas Cook
2 Jesse Hogan
4 Toumpas
9 Weidemann

Pick 1, pick 2 (twice) and pick 4 is a fair waste.

Hawthorn hit with Lewis, Buddy, Roughead, Hodge. And missed with schoenmakers, Thorp, Brennan and Dowler over the same time period. 2 picks 6s and a pick 7 gone.

Shows how hard it is I guess.

Melbournes was over a very long time and lots of different people involved. To get a proper perspective break it down to list managers and recruiters and see if there was a fundamental change, in Melbournes case it becomes obvious when looking at list managers. All the guns you mentioned recruited by 1 person. Out of all the duds only Weidemann was recruited by Taylor.

Jason Taylor joins Collingwood and in
2008 Draft Pick 11 Sidebottom, Pick 29 Dayne Beams.
2009 Trade Jolly in and actually draft Ball at pick 30.
2010 Traded in Krakouer, Tarrant, Pick 45 Fasolo, Pick 76 Seedsman
2011 Traded in Elliot, pick 67 Witts
2012 pick 18 Grundy.

Joins Melbourne
2013 Traded in Vince, Tyson, Pick 9 Salem, Pick 57 Hunt, rookie pick, Harmes
2014 Pick 2 Petracca, pick 3 Brayshaw, Pick 40 ANB, traded in a few spuds
2015 Pick 4 Oliver, Pick 9 Weideman
2016 Traded in Lewis, Hibberd,
2017 Traded in Lever, Drafted Spargo, Fritsch, Petty from round 2 onwards
2018 Traded in May, Pruess and drafted Sparrow, Jordan in 2nd round
2019 traded in Langdon, Tomlinson and draft Jackson, Pickett, Rivers

This guy has a method and is bloody brilliant at it, improved the list significantly each year at both clubs through drafting gun mids and trading in everything else.

Only went tall early in the draft after having drafted a gun midfield.

 

[70lethal]

So have many, many, other Clubs .....you do have a tendency to write players off too quickly though George

Jones & Ned won't be champions .......but I can see the potential, for them to be at Richard Douglas levels .....but I'm an optimist generally, and I admire players who always give 100% ......in Finals that's invaluable & shouldn't be dismissed

I didn't think Douglas was that bad or you talking about in his last year?
Usually dis-functional clubs firstly don't get the picks required to get the type of player they need and then make really poor decisions due to incompetence.
History says build a gun midfield 1st and that hasnt been our philosophy and when you consider what we let go or traded out we barely got a packet of chips in return, specifically Dangerfield, Lever, Cameron, McGovern, Crouch, Keath, Greenwood,

 

[Ramify]

Well there you go so it appears Hamish does get a lot right then hey..

Would you agree that several at least go pretty well in the "class" category and several do pretty well in the X factor category as well.

There have absolutely been a few misses and some strange targets considering needs at the time, but I'm far more disappointed with our selection policies and bureau of development over the past decade.

Hamish can only do so much.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I didn't think Douglas was that bad or you talking about in his last year?
Usually dis-functional clubs firstly don't get the picks required to get the type of player they need and then make really poor decisions due to incompetence.
History says build a gun midfield 1st and that hasnt been our philosophy and when you consider what we let go or traded out we barely got a packet of chips in return, specifically Dangerfield, Lever, Cameron, McGovern, Crouch, Keath, Greenwood,

LOL .....no, I was referring to the majority of Douglas's career

I'm a build the spine first supporter .....KPP take longer to develop

 

[George Kramer]

Melbournes was over a very long time and lots of different people involved. To get a proper perspective break it down to list managers and recruiters and see if there was a fundamental change, in Melbournes case it becomes obvious when looking at list managers. All the guns you mentioned recruited by 1 person. Out of all the duds only Weidemann was recruited by Taylor.

Jason Taylor joins Collingwood and in
2008 Draft Pick 11 Sidebottom, Pick 29 Dayne Beams.
2009 Trade Jolly in and actually draft Ball at pick 30.
2010 Traded in Krakouer, Tarrant, Pick 45 Fasolo, Pick 76 Seedsman
2011 Traded in Elliot, pick 67 Witts
2012 pick 18 Grundy.

Joins Melbourne
2013 Traded in Vince, Tyson, Pick 9 Salem, Pick 57 Hunt, rookie pick, Harmes
2014 Pick 2 Petracca, pick 3 Brayshaw, Pick 40 ANB, traded in a few spuds
2015 Pick 4 Oliver, Pick 9 Weideman
2016 Traded in Lewis, Hibberd,
2017 Traded in Lever, Drafted Spargo, Fritsch, Petty from round 2 onwards
2018 Traded in May, Pruess and drafted Sparrow, Jordan in 2nd round
2019 traded in Langdon, Tomlinson and draft Jackson, Pickett, Rivers

This guy has a method and is bloody brilliant at it, improved the list significantly each year at both clubs through drafting gun mids and trading in everything else.

Only went tall early in the draft after having drafted a gun midfield.

GET HIM

 

[70lethal]

… like Dangerfield?

… like Lenny Hayes?

… like etc etc.

It’s ridiculous to equate one specific role within a team directly with that team’s success.

Maybe a better way to say it is that without elite mids, it is very hard to win a premiership.

There is a difference though.

You need a team around those elite midfielders.

When you consider some very average rucks are premiership players and many sides had very average CHF and FF combinations, some positions are much more crucial.
There's many elite players who go missing under pressure and then there's guys who stand up on the big stage.

 

[scoops]

So many juicy rumours in here!

 

[George Kramer]

There is a rumours thread where rumours actually get posted, if there’s nothing new in there, well there are no rumours to discuss

 

[dogs105]

My biggest takeaway is that I thought Volbeat and TAFKATMS might have been the same person, but that seems quite unlikely now.

 

[Mutineer]

GET HIM

Taylor's time at Collinhgwood he was a Scout, no doubt he'd have had input but Derek Hine is the man that makes the decisions on recruiting and list management up until 2017 not Taylor. Hine was replaced as list manager Ned Guy (that went well)/ Up until now Hine is still the Head of the Pies recruiting department.