Rumour 2022 Rumour Discussion Thread

[Scorpus]

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[Scorpus]

Missing piece after missing piece after missing piece...

 

[1970crow]

Missing piece after missing piece after missing piece...

You need to keep trying to improve though. Can't rely entirely on organic growth.

 

[Scorpus]

You need to keep trying to improve though. Can't rely entirely on organic growth.

Given their list profile, Port would be better off doing a full blown rebuild IMO

 

[George Kramer]

Given their list profile, Port would be better off doing a full blown rebuild IMO

Nah, they’ve got enough young talent. If they can add decent quality in the mid aged and with a decent coach they’d be fine

 

[1970crow]

Given their list profile, Port would be better off doing a full blown rebuild IMO

Tend to agree after the year they've just had where they just can't beat decent sides. But they're having a crack whist making prelims is still a fresh memory.

 

[jackster83]

Nah, they’ve got enough young talent. If they can add decent quality in the mid aged and with a decent coach they’d be fine

They've got some holes creeping in.

Gray is just about done, Motlop is finished.

Boak, Dixon, Jonas, Lycett and McKenzie are all getting old. Fantasia's body is shot, and Amon won't be there next year. Duursma hasn't come on and Dylan Williams has been a flop.

On the plus side, Marshall, SPP and Houston are all entering their prime, Rozee and Butters are guns, while Georgiades and Bergmann are promising.

Looks like an 8-12 quality list until Boak and Dixon retire in which case they're screwed.

 

[D Style]

I genuinely thought we would be the front runner, as an ADL based team for him to come to. Would help mid rotations with size and is a good age where we don't have.

 

[George Kramer]

They've got some holes creeping in.

Gray is just about done, Motlop is finished.

Boak, Dixon, Jonas, Lycett and McKenzie are all getting old. Fantasia's body is shot, and Amon won't be there next year. Duursma hasn't come on and Dylan Williams has been a flop.

On the plus side, Marshall, SPP and Houston are all entering their prime, Rozee and Butters are guns, while Georgiades and Bergmann are promising.

Looks like an 8-12 quality list until Boak and Dixon retire in which case they're screwed.

They do, but if they keep Georgiadis they have key forwards covered.

Look I'm not saying their list is premiership material, but its not a basket case. They will add some more talent and they aren't shy on chasing players.

 

[Sanders]

They do, but if they keep Georgiadis they have key forwards covered.

Look I'm not saying their list is premiership material, but its not a basket case. They will add some more talent and they aren't shy on chasing players.

Port’s list is still pretty good, but their tip of the spear contention phase is over for now

 

[Maddogmetro]

Port has relied to heavily on its ageing stars. Boak, Dixon, Gray especially. They are all declining in output, and will be retiring soon.

Wines has had a massive decline from last year, to the point of being irrelevant.

Amon looks to be leaving.

Those players leave a huge hole.

The young players (Rozee, Butters, Duursma) showed strong signs early, but have proven that they go missing often, and find it hard to perform consistently (as most young players do). So they will have some impressive games where they win well, but also many losses to better competition. This has already been shown by their diabolical record against top 8 and top 4 sides over the past few years.

They appear to me to be heading down a cliff, but there is no acknowledgment at the club that this could happen. They still see themselves as a 'premiership list' despite strong evidence to suggest otherwise.

That's why I think their list is overrated.

 

[GameofSloanes]

Given their list profile, Port would be better off doing a full blown rebuild IMO

They are us in 2018. Dunkley is Gibbs

 

[GameofSloanes]

Nah, they’ve got enough young talent. If they can add decent quality in the mid aged and with a decent coach they’d be fine

They have all these ageing guns and still can't beat top 8 sides. They're going to get worse when they retire. Sure they have some really good young players (although maybe not as many as Port fans think), if they draft well the next 2-3 years they could get back up to contending in 5 or so years.

 

[GameofSloanes]

I find it hard to believe, security and officials, turned a blind eye, as the unverified allegations assert

I just don’t believe it.

Now it might be true they did nothing because there was some doubt about what was said; or it might just all be bollocks

But I don’t buy the they didn’t care bit

Security tried to kick out a bloke near me for vaping. He denied it, they couldn't prove it so he stayed.

 

[George Kramer]

Port has relied to heavily on its ageing stars. Boak, Dixon, Gray especially. They are all declining in output, and will be retiring soon.

Wines has had a massive decline from last year, to the point of being irrelevant.

Amon looks to be leaving.

Those players leave a huge hole.

The young players (Rozee, Butters, Duursma) showed strong signs early, but have proven that they go missing often, and find it hard to perform consistently (as most young players do). So they will have some impressive games where they win well, but also many losses to better competition. This has already been shown by their diabolical record against top 8 and top 4 sides over the past few years.

They appear to me to be heading down a cliff, but there is no acknowledgment at the club that this could happen. They still see themselves as a 'premiership list' despite strong evidence to suggest otherwise.

That's why I think their list is overrated.

Marshall has stepped up and if they can keep Georgiadis thats their key forwards covered.

Wines has not had had massive decline to the point of being irrelevant, thats a silly comment.

Have you watched Rozee the last couple of months since he's moved to the midfield? He is killing it.

Butters has shown he is class but injuries have hurt. Next year I expect he will be better.

I am not saying they are premiership material, but I also dont think they will need a full rebuild. They've drafted very well recently. They aren't shy in recruiting players. They will be competitive, how competitive depends on if they piss off Hinkley and if they improve their football department which they skimped on this year.

 

[ABAB]

They are us in 2018. Dunkley is Gibbs

At least we made the Grand Final and Pyke wasn't a dead coach walking, it will be a very strange decision if they are really after Dunkley as you think this will cost them this year's 1st and with no certainty Hinkley will be there after next year. So they would have traded a 2023 1st rounder for a 27 years old player when the new coach takes over (I would want another extra year on the contract if I was the coach and this happened).

 

[Scorpus]

Marshall has stepped up and if they can keep Georgiadis thats their key forwards covered.

Wines has not had had massive decline to the point of being irrelevant, thats a silly comment.

Have you watched Rozee the last couple of months since he's moved to the midfield? He is killing it.

Butters has shown he is class but injuries have hurt. Next year I expect he will be better.

I am not saying they are premiership material, but I also dont think they will need a full rebuild. They've drafted very well recently. They aren't shy in recruiting players. They will be competitive, how competitive depends on if they piss off Hinkley and if they improve their football department which they skimped on this year.

IMO they only have 3-4 quality young players: Rozee, Butters, Georgiades, maybe Marshall - and that's assuming they keep Georgiades

The rest of their younger draftees/trades are role players. Bergman, Jones, Duursma, Williams, Mead... not a lot to get excited about there. Sinn might be decent in time.

Also most of the players in their prime are role players, guys like Byrne-Jones, Fantasia, Bonner, Burton, Powell-Pepper all in that 24-27 age bracket and none are even close to stars. Houston is probably their only very quality 'prime age' player.

They are multiple key position players short of a good squad, especially in defense, and they have no good ruck on the list.

IMO they should rebuild and hit the draft hard to gather key position players and extra midfielders so they don't waste the years when Butters and Rozee are in their prime

 

[Maddogmetro]

Marshall has stepped up and if they can keep Georgiadis thats their key forwards covered.

Wines has not had had massive decline to the point of being irrelevant, thats a silly comment.

Have you watched Rozee the last couple of months since he's moved to the midfield? He is killing it.

Butters has shown he is class but injuries have hurt. Next year I expect he will be better.

I am not saying they are premiership material, but I also dont think they will need a full rebuild. They've drafted very well recently. They aren't shy in recruiting players. They will be competitive, how competitive depends on if they piss off Hinkley and if they improve their football department which they skimped on this year.

Agree on Marshall, and Georgiades to an extent. Forward line looks relatively solid. But without Dixon, I think they'll struggle being young players and having more focus on them.

Rozee has looked good at times, but to me he is too inconsistent to rally his team to wins. Same with Butters. In the future, absolutely. But over the next handful of years, I don't think so.

Seems we maybe don't completely disagree, but just disagree on the outcomes that are expected.

 

[Afcprophet]

Port has relied to heavily on its ageing stars. Boak, Dixon, Gray especially. They are all declining in output, and will be retiring soon.

Wines has had a massive decline from last year, to the point of being irrelevant.

Amon looks to be leaving.

Those players leave a huge hole.

The young players (Rozee, Butters, Duursma) showed strong signs early, but have proven that they go missing often, and find it hard to perform consistently (as most young players do). So they will have some impressive games where they win well, but also many losses to better competition. This has already been shown by their diabolical record against top 8 and top 4 sides over the past few years.

They appear to me to be heading down a cliff, but there is no acknowledgment at the club that this could happen. They still see themselves as a 'premiership list' despite strong evidence to suggest otherwise.

That's why I think their list is overrated.

Rozee has been in phenomenal form the past month. Borderline All Australian.

 

[LoBu]

I genuinely thought we would be the front runner, as an ADL based team for him to come to. Would help mid rotations with size and is a good age where we don't have.

Organic growth don't you know?

 

[Crow till I die]

IMO they only have 3-4 quality young players: Rozee, Butters, Georgiades, maybe Marshall - and that's assuming they keep Georgiades

The rest of their younger draftees/trades are role players. Bergman, Jones, Duursma, Williams, Mead... not a lot to get excited about there. Sinn might be decent in time.

Also most of the players in their prime are role players, guys like Byrne-Jones, Fantasia, Bonner, Burton, Powell-Pepper all in that 24-27 age bracket and none are even close to stars. Houston is probably their only very quality 'prime age' player.

They are multiple key position players short of a good squad, especially in defense, and they have no good ruck on the list.

IMO they should rebuild and hit the draft hard to gather key position players and extra midfielders so they don't waste the years when Butters and Rozee are in their prime

I could see them being a lot like we were for quite some time where we had a squad that was always pushing for top 8 - sometimes getting there but in that 12-6 bracket. They have just enough good talent that they will add to the will have them well away from bottom 4 but not close enough now to see them at a prelim / grand final. It could be a decade of middling with the odd flare up that might see them make a semi final

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Georgiadis is not a key forward. He’s a third tall like Gunston or Fritsch. He could be a good player but not someone that leads a forward line.

 

[Mego Red]

Those runs already got him an extended stay in the 1’s, at some stage the credits have to run out.

Oh, agreed. But we're maybe 35 games since he won the award.

They dropped him because they wanted him to prove something, which they felt that he did.

We were comparing him to Newchurch, right? And the fact that ROB won a best and fairest 30-odd games ago is why there are differences when comparing them.

 

[Geoffa32]

Security tried to kick out a bloke near me for vaping. He denied it, they couldn't prove it so he stayed.

Strawberry scented breath not enough evidence?

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[Jarman3]

Strawberry scented breath not enough evidence?

On SM-A325F using BigFooty.com mobile app

"Nah, mate, I've just been chewing this stuff!"

 

[Dangerousfield]

At least we made the Grand Final and Pyke wasn't a dead coach walking, it will be a very strange decision if they are really after Dunkley as you think this will cost them this year's 1st and with no certainty Hinkley will be there after next year. So they would have traded a 2023 1st rounder for a 27 years old player when the new coach takes over (I would want another extra year on the contract if I was the coach and this happened).

Draft picks are over rated. A first rounder gets you a known quantity in Dunkley or three first rounders could you a McAsey and a Jones and a McFlurry

Draft picks are dealing in the unknown, are over rated