List Mgmt. 2022 Trade & List Management Thread

[Sheezel2Wardlaw]

Seems like it'll be an unpopular opinion but I genuinely don't think Gunston is a best 22 player in our side for next year.

Curtis Larkey Zurhaar
Thomas CCJ/Comben JHF/Ford

If we draft Sheezel or another small/mid-size forward like Konstanty or Munkara, throw them into the mix.

I'm not playing him ahead of any of the guys listed above. He'll be 31 next season, has missed 6, 21 and 6 games in the last 3 seasons and applies very little defensive pressure.

No thanks.

Hes a better footballer than the 8 you named.

 

[benbanjo]

Didn't Ned Moyle go up against Edwards in the last game and spanked him.
will be interesting to see what happens to both of them considering we could have drafted him.

 

[Souup]

Hes a better footballer than the 8 you named.

5 years ago playing with 10 other premiership players and under one of the greatest coaches of all time, sure.

 

[Bren]

This. I've decided to give him two seasons of a free ride, ins and outs.

this this this.... sooooo much this

 

[Ashley B]

Key position I would think like a Centre half forward. I think Gunston would be helpful for a year or two at the right price.Would help get a bit of synergy and belief down there. He is more of a marking midsize flanker type though.

 

[Bren]

looking at our age demographic we need all the teaching people we can get, in 3 years we are pushing top 8 [hopefully] and the clout nous that we get into the youth now is critical.
blind freddy could see thats what we lacked this season

 

[Pagans Paddock99]

Larkey and Gunston are not close to playing the same role. Larkey is a genuine key forward who can compete in contested situations, either marking or getting it to ground. Gunston hasn't averaged 1 contested mark a game since 2016.

If we're wanting to address our key position forward stocks then we should do that, but expecting Gunston to fill that role would be a big mistake.

Gunston isn't coming to our club to be insurance.

I didn’t say Gunston is playing Larkeys role?

If anything, he would be playing the role that Ziebell was in the side to perform as the 3rd/medium forward type.

My point related to Larkey was that if either of Larkey or Comben go down, we need someone who can consistently kick goals, provide a lead up target and become a conduit to help with the midfield to forward half connection. I don’t like the proposition of only having Larkey and Comben as the only +190cm forwards available, or an 18yo draftee? CCJ could easily provide a forward 50 target and compete in the air, but I wouldn’t have as much confidence that he could consistently hit the scoreboard like Gunston could?

If there is a better genuine forward type out there I’m all for it, but I think Gunston can play a worthwhile role without being an out and out key forward and would be good for a 2 goals a game.

At 193cm he will still demand a good defender, which should also help prevent Larkey from being triple teamed like he was in some games this year.






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[Shinboner1]

At 193cm he will still demand a good defender, which should also help prevent Larkey from being triple teamed like he was in some games this year.

Or punish sides that try and double/triple team him and zurhaar.

 

[DesertRoo]

I didn’t say Gunston is playing Larkeys role?

If anything, he would be playing the role that Ziebell was in the side to perform as the 3rd/medium forward type.

My point related to Larkey was that if either of Larkey or Comben go down, we need someone who can consistently kick goals, provide a lead up target and become a conduit to help with the midfield to forward half connection. I don’t like the proposition of only having Larkey and Comben as the only +190cm forwards available, or an 18yo draftee? CCJ could easily provide a forward 50 target and compete in the air, but I wouldn’t have as much confidence that he could consistently hit the scoreboard like Gunston could?

If there is a better genuine forward type out there I’m all for it, but I think Gunston can play a worthwhile role without being an out and out key forward and would be good for a 2 goals a game.

At 193cm he will still demand a good defender, which should also help prevent Larkey from being triple teamed like he was in some games this year.






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Serious question what’s the Ziebell role?

 

[Pagans Paddock99]

Serious question what’s the Ziebell role?

He was meant to be that 3rd forward type, but in the end defenders were sagging off him to double team Larkey.

Gunston was still in the top 10 for average marks inside 50 this year with around 2.5 a game, albeit in a better ball using team at Hawthorn.

The question is whether that will translate if he was playing for us and most importantly, will his body hold up for a couple of years?





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[Makeshift Park]

I didn’t say Gunston is playing Larkeys role?

If anything, he would be playing the role that Ziebell was in the side to perform as the 3rd/medium forward type.

My point related to Larkey was that if either of Larkey or Comben go down, we need someone who can consistently kick goals, provide a lead up target and become a conduit to help with the midfield to forward half connection. I don’t like the proposition of only having Larkey and Comben as the only +190cm forwards available, or an 18yo draftee? CCJ could easily provide a forward 50 target and compete in the air, but I wouldn’t have as much confidence that he could consistently hit the scoreboard like Gunston could?

If there is a better genuine forward type out there I’m all for it, but I think Gunston can play a worthwhile role without being an out and out key forward and would be good for a 2 goals a game.

At 193cm he will still demand a good defender, which should also help prevent Larkey from being triple teamed like he was in some games this year.






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All this I agree with, but also...

Say we delist:
Walker x2 (only J Walker if we can't trade in Logue or draft Busslinger)
Hayden
Atu
McGuinness
Sugar

There's 5 or 6 free list spots. How many should we fill through the draft - maybe 3?

Is there any one of those 6 who would be more valuable to our list than Gunston? Are there any realistic alternatives as experienced tall forwards?

 

[Shinboner1]

Happy to take on bruest or gunston.

 

[Shinboner1]

All this I agree with, but also...

Say we delist:
Walker x2 (only J Walker if we can't trade in Logue or draft Busslinger)
Hayden
Atu
McGuinness
Sugar

There's 5 or 6 free list spots. How many should we fill through the draft - maybe 3?

Is there any one of those 6 who would be more valuable to our list than Gunston? Are there any realistic alternatives as experienced tall forwards?

Mcguiness is cat B. It doesn't count for list sizes.

 

[Ashley B]

Gunston is quality, he certainly would not be a negative if in fact he is available and is not overly expensive.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Mcguiness is cat B. It doesn't count for list sizes.

Yeah you're right. I should have said 4 or 5 and left his name off.
Point still remains though.
Say Sheezel, Cadman/Keeler, Harvey are drafted.
Surely there will still be at least 1 or 2 more spots opened up to trade players into.
If we payout Polec, it brings it up to 6 spots available.
Ideally we'd move JZ to the softcap for his final year as a coach of something too.

 

[Pagans Paddock99]

All this I agree with, but also...

Say we delist:
Walker x2 (only J Walker if we can't trade in Logue or draft Busslinger)
Hayden
Atu
McGuinness
Sugar

There's 5 or 6 free list spots. How many should we fill through the draft - maybe 3?

Is there any one of those 6 who would be more valuable to our list than Gunston? Are there any realistic alternatives as experienced tall forwards?

Hard to say how many we’d draft depending on the PP situation, and whether we could split an early pick. I would think 4 picks at most?

Then maybe 2 players either as trades/FA.

I think this will make it really hard for Hall to keep his spot, and only made harder after Perez and Goaters game yesterday.

When the club talks about bringing in experienced players to help guide the kids, I would prefer Gunston who plays a role where we don’t have similar options on our list, rather than Heppell, Hill or Shiels who were spoken about at times this year and play a role where we have depth already and I think would contribute less to the overall result of a game than Gunston.

The conjecture I think is about whether he is a small/mid forward or key forward and what we need more. He isn’t a key forward and isn’t your high pressure small forward. He is purely a lead up forward who consistently hits the scoreboard. This doesn’t mean we don’t desperately need a key forward or contested marking beast and a crumbing/high pressure small forward, but he fills a need for now whilst the draftees can develop and learn their craft without any real outlay from a trade or draft pick POV. If we could trade a ready made key forward or small forward then great, but right now Gunston is the only hybrid type we could get to fill an immediate need to buy us time.

Some might not agree and it’s only my opinion, but I think he would add value to our squad compared to some of the other names that have been mentioned?




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[ferball]

I’m sure I’ll get hammered for this but is the zurhaar situation reminiscent of Aaron black and mason wood at the same age? Talented but inconsistent players at the peak of their value that everyone is/was desperate to keep?

He's definitely done more than Wood and Black.

More talented and more consistent and is improving his output every year at the moment. So he definitely isn't at his peak yet. He might be close but he could also end up averaging another goal a game. I think that's more likely actually. Every chance he is about to explode.

Not against trading him but has to be for a first rounder.

 

[ferball]

Key position I would think like a Centre half forward. I think Gunston would be helpful for a year or two at the right price.Would help get a bit of synergy and belief down there. He is more of a marking midsize flanker type though.

He's taller than Curnow. But i've always seen him as more of a flanker.

 

[archereleven]

Seems like it'll be an unpopular opinion but I genuinely don't think Gunston is a best 22 player in our side for next year.

Curtis Larkey Zurhaar
Thomas CCJ/Comben JHF/Ford

If we draft Sheezel or another small/mid-size forward like Konstanty or Munkara, throw them into the mix.

I'm not playing him ahead of any of the guys listed above. He'll be 31 next season, has missed 6, 21 and 6 games in the last 3 seasons and applies very little defensive pressure.

No thanks.

If we want the team to get acquitted to Clarkos gameplan as quickly as possible, it makes sense to have on field leaders that know what to do and where to be...

He can still mark the ball and kick goals too...

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[Le Grille]

Because we have a plethora of quality smalls like Jack Mahony and Phoenix Spicer?

Paul Curtis is a reasonable small fwd I’d have thought

 

[Le Grille]

What would Dow or O’Brien be worth?


Ah joining that club eh? We have jackets
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Why, dow/obrien would barely break into our current midfield.

 

[zoomba23]

Why, dow/obrien would barely break into our current midfield.

Agree on Dow, but O'Brien would be perfect for us. Ready made wingman with neat foot skills who goes when it's his turn. Could do much, much worse than him

 

[Sphynx]

He was meant to be that 3rd forward type, but in the end defenders were sagging off him to double team Larkey.

Gunston was still in the top 10 for average marks inside 50 this year with around 2.5 a game, albeit in a better ball using team at Hawthorn.

The question is whether that will translate if he was playing for us and most importantly, will his body hold up for a couple of years?





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It depends who we draft, but if it’s Sheezel, I think Clarko would very much be inclined to build a fluid forward line around he, Zurhaar and Curtis with Larkey and Comben as the talls.

What Clarko does with Ziebell is going to be one of the main watches of the preseason. I can see a Nathan Jones stint in the VFL tbh.

 

[zoomba23]

Didn't Ned Moyle go up against Edwards in the last game and spanked him.
will be interesting to see what happens to both of them considering we could have drafted him.

Does it need to be put on an audio file to be played on repeat on this board? Edwards is a project player. He weighs about 40kg. He probably gets transported to the other side of the room when the candles get blown out at birthday parties. Judge him when he's ready to be judged

 

[kangaanth]

not much difference