List Mgmt. 2022 Trade Period

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2022 AFL Trade Period

All About Carlton

Current draft picks: 10, 29, 49, 66
List changes:
Out: Hayes, McDonald, Newnes, Parks, Stocker, Williamson, (Jones), Setterfield
In: Blake Acres
Uncontracted: 1 - Ed Curnow - new deal pending (Fogarty confirmed contracted for 2023)
List status: Senior - 33 (inc. Owies); Rookie - 5; Cat-B Rookie - 1; Free spots - 4 (plus one Cat-B)

Key Dates

Draft Nominations: OPEN
Mon 10-Oct 9am: AFL Draft Nominations open
Mon 21-Nov 3pm: AFL Draft Nominations close

The Draft:
Mon 28-Nov
7.10pm: National Draft Round One; Bidding on F/S, Academy & NGA
Tue 29-Nov
5.45pm - 6.30pm: Selection Trade period
7pm: National Draft Round Two to completion
10pm - 11.00pm: Rookie Upgrade period
10pm - 11.00pm: Delisted Free Agency Period 3
Wed 30-Nov
3pm: Pre-season Draft
3.20pm: Rookie Draft
Thu 1-Dec
by 4pm: Final Club list lodgment

Delisted Free Agency Periods 1 & 2: CLOSED
Thu 03-Nov 9am: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences
Wed 09-Nov 5pm: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes
Fri 11-Nov 9am: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences
Tue 15-Nov 5pm: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes

Player and Selection Trades: CLOSED
Mon 03-Oct 9am: Trade Period commences – Players & Selections
Wed 12-Oct 7.30pm: Trade Period closes – player trades
Tue 15-Nov 5.00pm: Trade Period closes – selections only

RFA and UFA: CLOSED
Fri 30-Sep 9am: Restricted Free Agency (RFA) and Unrestricted Free Agency (UFA) Period commences
Fri 07-Oct 5pm: Close of Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period.
Mon 10-Oct 5pm: Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends
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Completed Trades:

Fri 30-Sep:
1 Karl Amon (PA) to Hawthorn (UFA) Port Adelaide receive 2nd round compensation pick (currently Pick 27).
Mon 3-Oct:
2 Bobby Hill (GWS) to Collingwood GWS receive Pies' future 2nd round pick. Also swap of 3rd round picks - Pies get pick GWS pick 41, for their pick 44.
3 Tim Taranto (GWS) to Richmond GWS receive Tigers 1st round pick, and Tigers 2nd round pick from NM (currently picks 12 and 19).
4 Jayden Hunt (Mel) to West Coast (UFA) Melbourne receive 3rd round compensation pick (currently Pick 54).
Tue 4-Oct:
5 Blake Acres (Freo) to CARLTON Fremantle receive Carlton's future 3rd round pick.
6 Daniel McStay (Bris) to Collingwood (RFA) Brisbane receive 2nd round compensation pick (currently Pick 35).
7 Liam Jones (CARLTON) to Western Bulldogs (UFA) CARLTON receive 3rd round compensation pick (currently Pick 49).
8 Pick trade: Melbourne picks 33 (R2), 43 (R3), 53 (R3) to Port Adelaide for pick 27 (R2)
Wed 5-Oct:
9 Zaine Cordy (WBU) to St Kilda (UFA) No compensation for Western Bulldogs (due to taking UFA Liam Jones)
10 Griffin Logue and Darcy Tucker (Freo) to North Melbourne. Fremantle receive Future 2nd and 3rd picks (AFL assistance package for NM). Additionally, NM gains Freo's Future 3rd pick in exchange for North's future 4th pick.
11 Pick trade: GWS trade pick their second round pick (currently 21) and future Rd 2 pick to Brisbane for their 1st round pick (currently 15)
12 Ben Long (StK) to Gold Coast St Kilda receive 2nd round pick (currently 32), with the Saints' future 4th round pick going back to the Suns.
13 Tom Berry (Bris) to Gold Coast Brisbane receive 2 x Rd 2 picks (currently 25 and 36), and a 3rd rd pick (56). Suns get Brisbane's 3rd rd (46) and GWS future 2nd round pick.
Thu 6-Oct:
14 Josh Corbett (GCS) to Fremantle Gold Coast receive Freo's future round 4 selection.
Fri 7-Oct:
15 Tanner Bruhn (GWS) to Geelong GWS receive Geelong's first round pick (Currently pick 18)
16 Pick trade: Geelong Rd 2 pick (currently 38), two x Rd 3 picks (48, 55), and future 2nd and 4th picks to Brisbane for their Rd 2 pick (25).
Mon 10-Oct:
17 Toby Bedford (Mel) to GWS. Melbourne receive GWS Rd 3 pick (tied to Haw - currently 44).
18 Luke Jackson (Mel) to Fremantle . Melbourne receive Fremantle's 1st round pick (currently 13) and future 1st and 2nd round picks. Fremantle also receive Melbourne's Rd 3 pick (tied to Haw - currently 44), and 4th round pick (tied to StK - 67).
19 Will Setterfield (CARLTON) to Essendon. Carlton receive Essendon's future 4th round pick. Essendon also receive Carlton's 4th rd pick (currently 68).
20 Izak Rankine (GCS) to Adelaide. Suns gain Adelaide's 1st rd pick (currently 5) and future 3rd and 4th picks. Adelaide also receive Suns' Rd 3 pick (tied to PA - currently 46) and future 4th pick (tied to Freo).
21 "Mega deal"
North Melbourne:
Out - Pick 1, Jason Horne-Francis, Future 3rd (Freo)
In - Picks 2 (WCE), 3 (GWS), 40 (WCE), 43 (PA - from Ade), Future 1st (PA)
West Coast:
Out - Pick 2, 40, Junior Rioli
In - Pick 8 (PA), 12 (GWS from Rich), Future 2nd (PA), Future 3rd (PA)
Port Adelaide:
Out - Pick 8, 43 (Ade), 53 (Mel), 57 (Syd), Future 1st, Future 2nd, Future 3rd
In - Jason Horne-Francis, Junior Rioli, Future 2nd (GWS tied to Col), Future 3rd (NM tied to Freo)
GWS:
Out - Pick 3, 12 (from Rich), Future 2nd (Col)
In - Pick 1, 53 (PA from Mel), 57 (PA from Syd)
Tue 11-Oct:
22 Jack Gunston (Haw) to Brisbane. Hawthorn receive Rd 3 pick from Brisbane (currently 48 - tied to Carlton) and Brisbane's future 4th rd pick.
23 Brodie Grundy (Col) to Melbourne. Collingwood receive Melbourne's Rd 2 pick (currently 27) in exchange.
24 Billy Frampton (Ade) to Collingwood. Adelaide receive Collingwood's future 3rd round pick.
25 Jack Bowes (GCS) to Geelong. Geelong also receive Gold Coast's pick 7. Gold Coast receive Geelong's future 3rd round pick.
26 Jacob Hopper (GWS) to Richmond. GWS receive Richmond's Rd 2 pick (currently 31) and future 1st round pick. Richmond also receive GWS 3rd rd pick (tied to Melb, currently 53), and GWS 4th rd pick (tied to Adelaide, currently 63).
Wed 12-Oct:
27 Aaron Francis (Ess) to Sydney. Sydney also receive Essendon's pick 42. Essendon receive Sydney's pick 37 and future 4th Rd pick.
28 Sam Weideman (Mel) to Essendon. Melbourne receive Essendon's pick 37. Essendon also receive Melbourne's picks 54 and 72.
29 Josh Schache (WBU) to Melbourne. Western Bulldogs receive Melbourne's future 4th round pick.
30 Lachie Hunter (WBU) to Melbourne. Western Bulldogs receive Melbourne's future 3rd round pick.
31 Josh Dunkley (WBU) to Brisbane. Western Bulldogs receive pick 21 along with Brisbane's future 1st and 2nd round picks, and Geelong's future 4th. Brisbane also receive the Bulldog's future 3rd and a future 3rd tied to Melbourne.
32 Ollie Henry (Coll) to Geelong. Cooper Stephens (Gee) to Hawthorn. Tom Mitchell (Haw) to Collingwood. Collingwood also receive pick 25 from Geelong. Hawthorn receive picks 41 and 50 from Collingwood.
33 Rory Lobb (Freo) to Western Bulldogs. Fremantle receive pick 30 and Western Bulldog's future 2nd round pick.
34 Jaeger O'Meara (Haw) to Fremantle. Lloyd Meek (Fre) to Hawthorn. Fremantle receive Hawthorn's future 4th round pick. Hawthorn receive Western Bulldog's future 2nd round pick.

Post Trade-week Trades (Selections only):
35 Oct 21: Pick Trade: The Brisbane Lions trade its Round Three Selection (56) to the Adelaide Crows for its Future Round Four Selection (tied to Fremantle)
36 Oct 21: Pick Trade: North Melbourne trade its Round Four Selection (59) and Future Round Two Selection to the Adelaide Crows for its Round Two Selection (23).
37 Nov 15: Pick Trade: North Melbourne trades round three selection (43) to Fremantle for Fremantle's future round four selection (tied to Hawthorn).

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Missed Out on trades:
Matt Crouch (Ade) - Adelaide looking to find him a new home.
James Rowe (Ade) - Possible move to Western Bulldogs.
Fischer McAsey (Ade) - Possible move to Carlton. Carlton apparently no longer interested.
Paddy Dow (Car) - Possible move to NM, Gee.
Caleb Poulter (Col) - Possible move to Gold Coast.
Nick Bryan (Ess) - Possible move, perhaps to Saints.
Brayden Ham (Ess) - Looking for opportunities elsewhere.
Liam Henry (Freo) - Looking for opportunities elsewhere, but is contracted.
Jeremy Sharp (GCS) - Possible move to Freo
Brayden Fiorini (GCS) - Possible move to Collingwood
Esava Ratugolea (Gee) - Several clubs interested. Geelong open to move. Perhaps GWS.
Lachie Whitfield (GWS) - GWS open to discussion
Nick Haynes (GWS) - GWS open to discussion
Kozzy Pickett (Mel) - Possible move to Port Adelaide. Melbourne say not happening.
Adam Tomlinson (Mel) - Melbourne open to move.
James Harmes (Mel) - Possible move to Essendon (and others). Melbourne say not happening.
Tarryn Thomas (NM) - Looking for opportunities elsewhere, possibly GCS.
Martin Frederick (PA) - Possible move to WCE
Mitch Georgiades (PA) - Possible move to WCE
Sam Hayes (PA) - Contracted, but Port may be open to offers elsewhere.
Ivan Soldo (Rich) - Possible move to GWS.
Jack Graham (Rich) - Likely now to stay at Richmond after exploring PA.
Riley Collier-Dawkins (Rich) - Looking for opportunities elsewhere.
Jack Bytel (StK) - Essendon interested.
Hunter Clark (StK) - Possible move to NM.
Brad Hill (StK) - Possible move to NM.
Lewis Mellican (Syd) - Looking for opportunities elsewhere.
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DFA and Retiree moves
Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti (ex-Ess) - looking to return from retirement, possibly to Freo, as SSP
Conor McKenna (ex-Ess) - looking to return from retirement, possibly to Gee in rookie draft
Liam Stocker (ex-Car) - Possible DFA to Essendon
Ciaran Byrne (ex-Car) - Possible return to Carlton as Cat-B Rookie - 5-Oct: Not happening, stays in Ireland
Francis Evans (ex-Gee) - Possible DFA to Port Adelaide
Quinton Narkle (ex-Gee) - DFA, several clubs interested
Kyle Hartigan (ex-Haw) - Possible DFA to St Kilda
Tom Phillips (ex-Haw) - Possible DFA to Essendon
Dan Hanneberry (ex-StK) - NM interested in bringing him out of retirement
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Earls Smother said:
Is there a chance that if we do, and free up $750-800K, we alter our stated strategy?

I mean we can't say from the beginning "we are after X", if we can't afford him without pushing players out. We do seem to be pretty keen to NOT keep either, which as you say, would appear to leave us a bit thin on depth.
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I think Setters and Dow are far from a combined $750k.

And with your second point, I think that's where the challenge with shopping around depth lies. Realistically we want to keep just one of Dow/Setters but we don't care who (as long as we get the best trade for the other). While it's unknown which player that may be, we're left to awkwardly put them both up for a trade but also let them know they're valued players, as likely at least one of them will still be at the club next year.
 
DangerousD said:
If you delist a player, they become a free agent. We get nothing and the player chooses his club to play for, not a great move.
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Ah yes you are correct, I meant leave uncontacted, whatever the mechanism is to grab a play through PSD, make * sweat, club shouldn't trade for magic beans or picks in the 60s
 

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Ash24 said:
I think Setters and Dow are far from a combined $750k.

And with your second point, I think that's where the challenge with shopping around depth lies. Realistically we want to keep just one of Dow/Setters but we don't care who (as long as we get the best trade for the other). While it's unknown which player that may be, we're left to awkwardly put them both up for a trade but also let them know they're valued players, as likely at least one of them will still be at the club next year.
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Wouldn’t be $750k, but wouldn’t be a lot short. I would estimate Setters to be sitting around $400k given that we grabbed him from GWS where they have paid big overs consistently on kid’s contracts. Dow was regarded as a young gun and re-signed early, absolutely would be on $200k, maybe better.

With a larger body of work, Will would command a second rounder, but no one is paying that when it is obvious we need either or both of him and Dow gone to create space and salary cap. If we move both, we will create almost half a million of cap space for player retention. I don’t want to see Setterfield gone, and am a bit “meh” either way for Dow, but it makes sense, and is more important than “winning the trade”.

Our top 28 or so picks itself, and with very few exceptions are there for the long haul. Many are due an incremental pay rise. We need to hit the draft for progression purposes and Total Player Payment management.

We would love to maintain top end depth, but realistically Will and Paddy will remain stuck in the twos with a fit list. Carroll is coming big time and will be best 22 ready next season. Docherty did an admirable job in the middle late in the year and Williams is capable, along with pinch hitters like Fisher and the returning Cuningham. Philp and Kemp may get their chances in the middle and a clearly contracted Fogarty is excellent value in the twos. I am sure JSOS would love some midfield minutes if we discontinue his ruck relief. We also have a handful of very capable VFL mids to fill the gaps at the lower level.

We will have room to accommodate the development a young draftee mid or two, so there is a real element that this short term pain will be a win.
 
Coona Blues said:
Wouldn’t be $750k, but wouldn’t be a lot short. I would estimate Setters to be sitting around $400k given that we grabbed him from GWS where they have paid big overs consistently on kid’s contracts. Dow was regarded as a young gun and re-signed early, absolutely would be on $200k, maybe better.

With a larger body of work, Will would command a second rounder, but no one is paying that when it is obvious we need either or both of him and Dow gone to create space and salary cap. If we move both, we will create almost half a million of cap space for player retention. I don’t want to see Setterfield gone, and am a bit “meh” either way for Dow, but it makes sense, and is more important than “winning the trade”.

Our top 28 or so picks itself, and with very few exceptions are there for the long haul. Many are due an incremental pay rise. We need to hit the draft for progression purposes and Total Player Payment management.

We would love to maintain top end depth, but realistically Will and Paddy will remain stuck in the twos with a fit list. Carroll is coming big time and will be best 22 ready next season. Docherty did an admirable job in the middle late in the year and Williams is capable, along with pinch hitters like Fisher and the returning Cuningham. Philp and Kemp may get their chances in the middle and a clearly contracted Fogarty is excellent value in the twos. I am sure JSOS would love some midfield minutes if we discontinue his ruck relief. We also have a handful of very capable VFL mids to fill the gaps at the lower level.

We will have room to accommodate the development a young draftee mid or two, so there is a real element that this short term pain will be a win.
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Think you’re underestimating Dow’s figure. $300-$400K as pick#3 that was signed up early, wouldn’t have been for peanuts. The silent 1yr extension is the query for whose benefit & where the dollars are situated I.e. back ended / smoothed out to assist with TPP perhaps & the balloon is 2023.

Setters $400-$450K & contract/s would be looking a lot less favourable hence the uncontracted position he’s in as we try & rebalance on his output.
 
La Dispute said:
Kramer1 Stamos 2.37 - no contract offered. (no 180k contract offered)
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Just so I know I'm doing it right...we don't believe Austin when it doesn't support our argument but we take him verbatim when it does?

It may be Setterfield's management said they won't entertain anything under two years...it may be we've asked him to wait until after the trade period to see what's left...it may be a dozen different scenarios.

The truly naive thing would be to believe that list managers haggle like used car salesman...perhaps Dodoro aside. Via his management any interested party would know exactly what Setters status is. It serves zero purpose to obfuscate and make false claims through the media.

All of which is getting away from my origunal point of course...which is that it would be unfortunate to lose Setterfield for nix. His value as midfield depth is not easy to replace.
 

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Kramer1 said:
Just so I know I'm doing it right...we don't believe Austin when it doesn't support our argument but we take him verbatim when it does?

It may be Setterfield's management said they won't entertain anything under two years...it may be we've asked him to wait until after the trade period to see what's left...it may be a dozen different scenarios.

The truly naive thing would be to believe that list managers haggle like used car salesman...perhaps Dodoro aside. Via his management any interested party would know exactly what Setters status is. It serves zero purpose to obfuscate and make false claims through the media.

All of which is getting away from my origunal point of course...which is that it would be unfortunate to lose Setterfield for nix. His value as midfield depth is not easy to replace.
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Just admit you were wrong and move on.

You clearly made an effort to argue Setterfield was being offered a contract and the only evidence to the contrary was Austin stating he was a required player - which is list manager lingo 101 at this time of year.

The club isn’t under oath when it comes to making blanket statements about players and their value to the club, but a direct question was answered, which Austin verified. There is no confusion about Setterfield’s current contract situation.

Maybe the club will offer Setterfield a one-year minimum contract if he doesn’t find a new club, but that isn’t the case at the moment and stating otherwise is head-in-the-sand stuff.
 
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La Dispute said:
Just admit you were wrong and move on.

You clearly made an effort to argue Setterfield was being offered a contract and the only evidence to the contrary was Austin stating he was a required player - which is list manager lingo 101 at this time of year.

The club isn’t under oath when it comes to making blanket statements about players and their value to the club, but a direct question was answered, which Austin verified. There is no confusion about Setterfield’s current contract situation.

Maybe the club will offer Setterfield a one-year minimum contract if he doesn’t find a new club, but that isn’t the case at the moment and stating otherwise is head-in-the-sand stuff.
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Err...you're the one that weighed in here...

I claimed Setters finished the year well, performed well in our biggest games, and is undeniably AFL quality. I also highlighted the multiple endorsements Austin has given him.

You've blustered and flustered over every point along the way.

Keep on spinnin man...

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Kramer1 said:
Err...you're the one that weighed in here...

I claimed Setters finished the year well, performed well in our biggest games, and is undeniably AFL quality. I also highlighted the multiple endorsements Austin has given him.

You've blustered and flustered over every point along the way.

Keep in spinnin man...

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Nice white flag.

I’d be embarrassed too if I made some non-existent claim, doubled down on it, and later got found out.
 
The Bighouse said:
Strange one. Think they reached for him at draft time & was talked up pre-season as the one to watch but didn’t crack a game.
Geez, 2018 draftee, thought he was younger than that.
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Ely Smith had huge stats in his U18 champs and TAC in the strongest draft year of recent times. Injuries have stuffed him at times along the way since then but Lions midfield is just so hard to break into. I don’t know what his story was this year but he didn’t dominate VFL or anything.

We should replace Setters and/or Dow with kids anyway.
 
The Bighouse said:
Yep, looked at the squad & thought the same. Plus DC can float through, Philp was drafted as a mid (both have a point of difference with pace) & Martin was being groomed in the midfield 1 pre-season. Then there’s also Ed + Fog.

+ Plow down back, if needed.
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Yep we have plenty of diverse midfield depth options and moves we can make, even after cutting some fringe players.

Acres is straight in plus youngsters Philp, Carroll and possibly our pick 10 if a mid should be pushing for opportunities next year along with our existing options.
 
La Dispute said:
Nice white flag.

I’d be embarrassed too if I made some non-existent claim, doubled down on it, and later got found out.
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???

Embarrassed?

You've been patently wrong in most things you've raised...happy to gift you a win on semantics if it makes for a better day.

Sun is shining, the weather is sweet...
 
Blue_Fusion said:
Unreal... Setters + pick 10 for pick 6... lmao as if he's gonna jump us up 4 places at the pointy end of the draft
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It should be mandatory for every trade proposed that the poster should also propose an alternative with us on the other side. For example, would we trade pick 10 to Fremantle for pick 13 and Blake Acres, who would otherwise be available for a future 3rd?
 
La Dispute said:
It’s irrelevant whether it’s 20 or 24. He’s not super damaging with his disposals and doesn’t do a whole lot throughout the course of a game.

You can say he’s still improving, but he’s had similar games in the past and chucking up 25 as the second choice inside midfielder should be an expectation. Why are we amazed at 24 playing purely on ball he’s hitting those numbers? He was also concurrently playing for his career at that point - it’s fairly clear why he had a decent end to the year by his standards.

The realty it he’s been at the club 4 years. He’s going to be going into his 7th year next year and has been pretty uninspiring save a few decent games in 2020 and a decent couple of games at the end of this year while attempting to convince the list management team he’s worthy of a list spot for next year.

No idea why you’re going out of your way to compare but 28 in a final is substantially more impressive than 24 in a Home & Away game. Acres had been building to that kind of form throughout the year and played well during the season, while Setterfield’s mild performance patch was comparably tiny.

It’s bizarre that other teams supporters can accept their failing fringe players value, but we are completely clueless about this? When you’re in your mid 20’s and showed very little across your career your value depreciates rapidly.

Saw similar rhetoric with SPS last year. You cop a junk pick and move on.
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7th year, but he's missed two to ACL injuries.

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