List Mgmt. 2022 Trade Thread - Part III

[PoppedCorn]

Rataglea (spelling) staying put

 

[Joffaboy]

Yep North's poor form in the last few years coupled with the fact that they were already a smaller club is pushing them dangerously close to GC/GWS territory. They will need to overpay players to entice them them across/ keep them on.
If we continue to be a mid table team for a few more years, we won't be far behind

I would say we are already there to an extent. Not the diabolical situation North is in, but all the big names are attracted to Collingwood, Richmond, or Geelong, DeGoey's management were nice and patronising to us, but did we really think he was coming to us?

Richmond, Collingwood, Essendon the Adelaide and WCE teams are all guaranteed blockbusters every year, they get all the revenue, they get all the big crowds, they get all the AFL love.
We get Docklands at 4.40 on a Sunday v GC. Top eight teams get easy draws, we come tenth and get the fifth hardest.
A prelim finalist gets the no.1 pick this year. The Premiers look like getting pick 7, Sydney get 5 academy players for free, we can't even get a go at one top 10 academy player.
When they ring me from the club, and ask why I stopped my monthly DD, this is what I will tell them.

 

[BrutThough]

Rataglea (spelling) staying put

So who is the mystery key forward Gags said we were targeting?

 

[#gosaintas]

So who is the mystery key forward Gags said we were targeting?

BING!!

 

[CaptainRisky]

Rankine had no intention to return to South Australia until Adelaide put a ridiculous amount of cash in front of him.

How do you know this , why wouldn't the fact of playing in front of family and friends be enough

 

[Diehard Saint]

The reason I don’t believe the stories about him not knowing, is that ultimately he says where he goes if he gets traded.

So why would we shop him, find a deal we like and then have Clark say - I’m not going there.

I don’t doubt Clark is unhappy with his season review. But I’m also more confident he and his manager did their own leg work on this aswell

Well, let’s hope this is a wake up call for him if it turns out he does stay.
Talent alone doesn’t get you anywhere

 

[heynow85]

Rataglea (spelling) staying put

Radagaleeya*

 

[Red leg]

Agreed. Pick 8 and a future likely top 10 pick isnt that bad a return and they are better off ejecting players that dont want to be there no matter what.


There is no "logic" in it, its just the reality. The club obviously wants Clark to just pull his finger out and train hard rather then trade him out but if Clark IS insisting on leaving as opposed to just acting shitty for a bit then we should absolutely make the best

So who is the mystery key forward Gags said we were targeting?

Weiderman?

 

[Diehard Saint]

And yet there were significant rumblings even before JHF was drafted that he was a flight risk, and that's now turned out to be true. Same as there were with Rankine (and also Lukosius and King, to be fair).

The latter two got plenty of additional $$$ to alleviate their homesickness though.

 

[bergholt]

So who is the mystery key forward Gags said we were targeting?

Hartigan, we're confident he has untapped potential as a forward

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

So who is the mystery key forward Gags said we were targeting?

Offer to help the Pies out with their cap issues by taking Miochek off their hands.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

Well, let’s hope this is a wake up call for him if it turns out he does stay.
Talent alone doesn’t get you anywhere

Seems to be working. Hunter spotted back in the gym today

 

[lewdogs]

What's the deal with Acres? Just read Freo will deal him to Carlton for a future third, so basically nothing. Is he that bad? Thought he was good for them in the finals.

 

[puppy_dog7]

 

[Nutsngum]

Well lets look at it then.
As has been said they would have got pick 6 in 2021 and two futures, one tied to Melbourne that you'd project to be 18-20 and one to Adelaide that you'd project to be anywhere from 2 < 7, and no one would have ever thought they'd be pushing finals which is a furphy you've added to bolster your assertion. North would have also projected themselves to finish last or there abouts this season.

So on reasonable projections it was:
2021 pick6 + 2022 picks 1, 6 & 20
but they chose:
2021 pick 1 and 2022 pick 1

1&1
or
1,6,6,20
At it turned out it became:
1,6,6,14

And to top it off they chose the kid with ties to an Adelaide club and MASSIVE go home factor.

I'm sorry you find my disagreement to be condescending, you'll just have to get used to it I suppose.

I dont find your disagreement to be condesending, I find you arguing simplsticily as if youre just "right" with nothing to back it up to be condesending. Like seriously, its a discussion form. DISCUSS.

Adelaide has spent the last 3 years down the bottom of the ladder. Generally teams are unlikely to spend a huge amount of time before starting to push higher and people forget they were quite competitive this year in a lot of games. Whilst it was unlikely they were going to make finals it would absolutely have been considered into weighing up their future first. Thats pretty poor form to basically accuse me of lying to prove a point when its plain to see it was a factor in North's decision.

Your comparison isnt right btw
Original 1 & 1, 19
vs
potentially 1 & 6 , 10, 18.
actual 1 & 6, 6, 14.

The potential trade is still damn good but something youde really want to weigh up doing vs an absolute gun player you think will be professional enough to stick with it (they were wrong).

Of course in retrospect it was a bad bad decision but hindsight is always 20/20.

To make it clear, I absolutely think North should have done that deal last year regardless but I can also understand why they decided against it. They thought JHF was a guarantee marquee player and I can understand that withouit neccessarily agreeing with it.

 

[CanadianSaint]

Read: They enquired, we said no...

 

[Dard Ball Get]

We better not be involved in this

 

[lewdogs]

We better not be involved in this

We'd be better off re-signing Bytel and seeing what he can do over the next two years.

 

[Geary Is GOAT]

Doubt we would try and move NWM this year even if we think he'll want to go next year.

Both SA clubs now have huge deals to get done that will tie up their 2022 first-rounders and probably ports 2023 first.

We're better off seeing how it plays out and moving forward next year if it happens.

 

[stavro#4]

Pick 8 will get it done.

 

[saint66au]

Pick 8 will get it done.

Yep...its overs but thats what you need to do to get contracted players out.

The JHF deal will get done reallly late you'd think so likely this one too if it happens

 

[saintsmania]

Pick 8 for Hunts or no deal. If Norf offer a future 2nd I hope we tell them to GAGF. They stood their ground for a 2nd Rd pick for Xerri last year

 

[ScrappyDo]

I dont find your disagreement to be condesending, I find you arguing simplsticily as if youre just "right" with nothing to back it up to be condesending. Like seriously, its a discussion form. DISCUSS.

Adelaide has spent the last 3 years down the bottom of the ladder. Generally teams are unlikely to spend a huge amount of time before starting to push higher and people forget they were quite competitive this year in a lot of games. Whilst it was unlikely they were going to make finals it would absolutely have been considered into weighing up their future first. Thats pretty poor form to basically accuse me of lying to prove a point when its plain to see it was a factor in North's decision.

Your comparison isnt right btw
Original 1 & 1, 19
vs
potentially 1 & 6 , 10, 18.
actual 1 & 6, 6, 14.

The potential trade is still damn good but something youde really want to weigh up doing vs an absolute gun player you think will be professional enough to stick with it (they were wrong).

Of course in retrospect it was a bad bad decision but hindsight is always 20/20.

To make it clear, I absolutely think North should have done that deal last year regardless but I can also understand why they decided against it. They thought JHF was a guarantee marquee player and I can understand that withouit neccessarily agreeing with it.

That's all fine and good but for 2 points
1. I think you've failed to grasp the true depth of my original comment. It was not simplistic, but concise and on the money. Maybe read it again.
2. Everything else you've said is fair enough, but North should have been smarter than to choose the kid who's probably gonna leave then subject him to the tough love that he received from Nobel. They should have focused on the big picture and built a team of local lads.

 

[bergholt]

We better not be involved in this

What's the bet we end up some combination of Dow and Stocker and Callum Brown and Ely Smith and Daniel Howe, and they're all delisted in two years.

 

[Murraj1966]

What's the bet we end up some combination of Dow and Stocker and Callum Brown and Ely Smith and Daniel Howe, and they're all delisted in two years.

We really are a depressed bunch around here now

This feels as low as the forum has been since the high flying days of 2018