List Mgmt. 2022 Young Talent Time

[Chris25]

Who are the best mature age forwards lurking in the lower leagues?

Josh Corbett

 

[Chris25]

First up is the rucks...

Hard to say exactly which positions we'll put the most value on, but I think ruck is probably the fourth priority behind KPD, goal scorers and wing. We have two elite ones, just need a depth guy now - so I'd be using a late or rookie pick to address this. Luckily it's not a bad year for young rucks - even though history says not many tend to be picked as 18 year olds. I've included 6 that I think are in the mix...and while I've put Harry Barnett in there, I doubt we'd use our first pick on him.

Harry Barnett (202cm, 93kg from SA)
Hudson O'Keeffe (201m, 91kg from Vic Metro)
Jackson Broadbent (201cm, 100kg from WA)
Nick Madden (204cm, 112kg from NSW)
Will Verrall (199cm, 92kg from SA)
Oscar Steene (201cm, 85kg from SA)

Jackson Broadbent is the obvious one, highly rated coming into the season and the local kid being at Peel. Very strong chance to end up at West Coast, it will be interesting to see how many list spots they have and if they use any of their late picks. Didn't have a great season, he had some injury issues and that's only put more scutiny on his running ability. But his ruck work is good and skills are impressive.

I think Hudson O'Keeffe is the best prospect overall and potentially has the most upside - only issue is he's an eastern suburbs kid from Melbourne, although he does have some WA links. Developing nicely around the ground, and his actual ruck work is the best in the draft pool. Nick Madden is a GWS Academy player and is easily the strongest and physically most advanced. He uses his size well in the contested stuff, and follows up well at the stoppages. His around the ground is limited, but developing and he does get to the right spots.

And of course, I'll round it out with a couple of SA kids. Will Verrall has had a pretty good year, he's just unfortunately been stuck behind other talls in the SA system but that may well prove to make him a bargain pick up. Might be the pick of the rucks from an athletic standpoint, marks the ball well - there's a hint of Luke Jackson

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Luke Jackson

Age

23

Ht

199cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.3

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

0.3

3star

D

8.3

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

5.0

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

2star

G

0.3

3star

D

8.3

3star

K

3.3

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

0.3

3star

about him as a ruck. And Oscar Steene is a 19 year who had a taste of senior action in the SANFL, his ruckwork is sound and improved as the season went on. Gets around the ground well, particularly dropping back behind the ball.

Mature aged ruck options look a bit thin. Harry Boyd (SA), Hamish Free (WA) and maybe Liam Reidy (VIC) are probably the best performing in the state leagues. But they have their limitations. Boyd has the extra versatility of playing KPD if required, but Free is obviously the local one. He looks a solid ruck in the Scott Jones and Jack Hannath

Jack Hannath

Age

33

Ht

200cm

Wt

101kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.4

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.3

2star

T

1.9

4star

G

0.4

3star

No current season stats available

D

8.0

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.6

3star

mold, a break glass in emergency type. But I'd be saving them for the rookie draft if I really wanted one.

What would I do? Probably wait to our last pick and see who's available, O'Keeffe would be my preference followed by Broadbent and Verrall. And save the mature aged guy for midseason if something goes wrong.

 

[Taylor]

I think we are back in the slot for a forward who can ruck or a ruck who can forward. Athletic tall who can jump and take a mark. Unfortunately they will have to be a similar draft range as Benning, similarly a bit of a project and not a high chance of making it - but that's why we draft one every year or two until one of them does.

I don't think we will have the draft picks to select a far less risky (or should I say greater prospect) ~200cm player for a long time.

 

[Big Flappy]

What’s the go with Harry Lemmy?

 

[Alfonz]

Zac Strom might be on the radar again? We tried to look at him at start of year, but I think there was some technicality with him not nominating for a draft so it fell through. He could be a break glass mature cover for both KPD and ruck, allowing us to look at forwards with 30 and 44.

 

[Lach72]

Given a few of the bigs will slip to our picks might be worth the punt

 

[Chris25]

I think we are back in the slot for a forward who can ruck or a ruck who can forward. Athletic tall who can jump and take a mark. Unfortunately they will have to be a similar draft range as Benning, similarly a bit of a project and not a high chance of making it - but that's why we draft one every year or two until one of them does.

I don't think we will have the draft picks to select a far less risky (or should I say greater prospect) ~200cm player for a long time.

I disagree. Bringing in Luke Jackson means we don't have to go looking for lesser prospects who just happen to be tall enough and athletic enough to ruck. We don't need to hide a guy up forward just to give Darcy a rest anymore. We can actually draft the best forward (or defender) and play them there. And until we either hit (or give up) on Treacy, Kuek and Benning then we don't really need to be looking to bring in another tall athlete - unless it's a free hit as a Cat B rookie.

And with the amount of early picks we've had over the last few years (plus bringing in mature guys like Brodie and O'Meara), we're now in a position to draft based on needs. We may not have any first rounders for a while, but rucks for example never go there. We could easily use our first or second pick this year and get our top rated ruck - and a pure ruck is a lot more valuable to our list than a pinch hitting KPP. Similarly, our picks this year should fall in the middle of the run on KPDs.

Key forward, yes we won't be in position to take a necessarily 'safe' one. But again, ruck ability should be well down on the list of things we're looking for in one. That's how a team ends up drafting Apeness in the first round.

 

[Polo342]

I disagree. Bringing in Luke Jackson means we don't have to go looking for lesser prospects who just happen to be tall enough and athletic enough to ruck. We don't need to hide a guy up forward just to give Darcy a rest anymore. We can actually draft the best forward (or defender) and play them there. And until we either hit (or give up) on Treacy, Kuek and Benning then we don't really need to be looking to bring in another tall athlete - unless it's a free hit as a Cat B rookie.

And with the amount of early picks we've had over the last few years (plus bringing in mature guys like Brodie and O'Meara), we're now in a position to draft based on needs. We may not have any first rounders for a while, but rucks for example never go there. We could easily use our first or second pick this year and get our top rated ruck - and a pure ruck is a lot more valuable to our list than a pinch hitting KPP. Similarly, our picks this year should fall in the middle of the run on KPDs.

Key forward, yes we won't be in position to take a necessarily 'safe' one. But again, ruck ability should be well down on the list of things we're looking for in one. That's how a team ends up drafting Apeness in the first round.

So who do you have us taking with each pick if you was drafting right now

 

[Taylor]

I disagree. Bringing in Luke Jackson means we don't have to go looking for lesser prospects who just happen to be tall enough and athletic enough to ruck. We don't need to hide a guy up forward just to give Darcy a rest anymore. We can actually draft the best forward (or defender) and play them there. And until we either hit (or give up) on Treacy, Kuek and Benning then we don't really need to be looking to bring in another tall athlete - unless it's a free hit as a Cat B rookie.

And with the amount of early picks we've had over the last few years (plus bringing in mature guys like Brodie and O'Meara), we're now in a position to draft based on needs. We may not have any first rounders for a while, but rucks for example never go there. We could easily use our first or second pick this year and get our top rated ruck - and a pure ruck is a lot more valuable to our list than a pinch hitting KPP. Similarly, our picks this year should fall in the middle of the run on KPDs.

Key forward, yes we won't be in position to take a necessarily 'safe' one. But again, ruck ability should be well down on the list of things we're looking for in one. That's how a team ends up drafting Apeness in the first round.

I agree, but we aren't talking about first round picks - we are talking about picks 40+ where the AFL don't think even average players come from. They are highly likely to make their career out of being professional depth. Everyone we pick up there will carry a flaw of some description.

Our picks are spot on where our best key backs and rucks came from, so fingers crossed.

 

[Chris25]

What’s the go with Harry Lemmey?

Had a rough year. Struggled with a few issues at the start of the year, was bounced around between U18s and Reserves and never really got any consistency - which looked to affect his confidence. But the talent hasn't suddenly gone, neither has his athleticism and running ability. I still think he's one of the better key forwards available, and also arguably one of the better key defenders if you wanted to play him there.

A team who exits the draft early may take him in the second round still, but I could see him going in the 40-60 range or even later.

Zac Strom might be on the radar again? We tried to look at him at start of year, but I think there was some technicality with him not nominating for a draft so it fell through. He could be a break glass mature cover for both KPD and ruck, allowing us to look at forwards with 30 and 44.

I think he'd be another you'd look at as a rookie just as coverage across a number of roles. Would definitely make Peel better, been a while since he's played as a proper ruck though so I wouldn't be pinning all my hopes there on him.

 

[Polo342]

Keeler at 30 and lemmey at 44?

 

[Big Animal]

I would like the craftiest goal kicking small forward we can find, a ruck backup, and a tall backman

 

[nurries]

I think we need a developing KPD, another KPF a FP and a mature ruck for coverage

 

[Chris25]

So who do you have us taking with each pick if you was drafting right now

Right now...

I'd probably hope for a small/medium forward like Brayden George, Charlie Clarke or Darcy Jones to drop and be available at our first pick. Second pick, I'd be looking at Harry Lemmey and Jed Adams as young talls. And then round the draft out with a developing ruck in Jackson Broadbent or Hudson O'Keeffe, and either another medium forward in Harry Cole or Jaiden Magor or a wing like Caleb Mitchell.

I'll go hopeful and stick with a WA theme...

#30 - Darcy Jones (175cm forward/mid)
#44 - Jed Adams (194cm defender)
#67 - Harry Cole (186cm forward)
#76 - Jackson Broadbent (201cm ruck)

 

[Swiggy]

Right now...

I'd probably hope for a small/medium forward like Brayden George, Charlie Clarke or Darcy Jones to drop and be available at our first pick. Second pick, I'd be looking at Harry Lemmey and Jed Adams as young talls. And then round the draft out with a developing ruck in Jackson Broadbent or Hudson O'Keeffe, and either another medium forward in Harry Cole or Jaiden Magor or a wing like Caleb Mitchell.

I'll go hopeful and stick with a WA theme...

#30 - Darcy Jones (175cm forward/mid)
#44 - Jed Adams (194cm defender)
#67 - Harry Cole (186cm forward)
#76 - Jackson Broadbent (201cm ruck)

Do you think freo will take a punt on Draper & jasper scaife?

What about corey tregenza-cashell as a late pick mate?

 

[Bigger]

I have watched Darcy Jones play a lot of footy over the last 4 or 5 years and I have never seen him get caught. It's weird. Never.

I don't know why he wears a helmet but suspect he probably copped a knock back in the nippers. Which means we shouldn't draft Darcy, we should find the kid who caught him.

When he was playing colts this year, I was annoyed he got so much of the pill because his kicking wasn't as penetrating as it should have been and a strength became a weakness. But he went up to the seniors and played better footy there. Which shows you what sort of judge I am.

 

[Chris25]

Do you think freo will take a punt on Draper & jasper scaife?

What about corey tregenza-cashell as a late pick mate?

Late picks and rookies are anyone's guess really. I'd say Scaife is 50/50, I'd take a free hit at him as a Cat B. Probably not Draper. And I don't see Tregenza-Cashell as being in the mix.

 

[Docker82]

We've got enough KPFs on the list imo. It's only short term quality that's a concern.

May as well delist one of our current ones now if we're going to draft another as they won't be room at Peel for them to develop.

Scaife is a bit different as he'll probably spend year one in the WAFL reserves anyway.

 

[wakojako]

Right now...

I'd probably hope for a small/medium forward like Brayden George, Charlie Clarke or Darcy Jones to drop and be available at our first pick. Second pick, I'd be looking at Harry Lemmey and Jed Adams as young talls. And then round the draft out with a developing ruck in Jackson Broadbent or Hudson O'Keeffe, and either another medium forward in Harry Cole or Jaiden Magor or a wing like Caleb Mitchell.

I'll go hopeful and stick with a WA theme...

#30 - Darcy Jones (175cm forward/mid)
#44 - Jed Adams (194cm defender)
#67 - Harry Cole (186cm forward)
#76 - Jackson Broadbent (201cm ruck)

So you don't think Allen will make it to our pick ot we shouldn't pick him?

 

[Joao]

We've got enough KPFs on the list imo. It's only short term quality that's a concern.

May as well delist one of our current ones now if we're going to draft another as they won't be room at Peel for them to develop.

Scaife is a bit different as he'll probably spend year one in the WAFL reserves anyway.

I agree with this unless Benning and/or Kuek are seen as defenders long term or someone slides to us that we rate higher than 30. I think the latter is possible given the supposed evenness of this draft and the number of talls that were rated far higher this time last year (Lemmey, Scully, the WA ruck etc).

 

[Chris25]

So you don't think Allen will make it to our pick ot we shouldn't pick him?

I think there’s a chance Ed Allan would be available, 20-35 seems his range right now. But I would prefer Darcy Jones if he was there.

 

[heavho]

2022 DRAFT
Before: 13, 76 = 1212 points
After: 30, 44, 67, 76 = 1060 points
Difference = 152 points (equivalent to pick 60)

2023 DRAFT (assuming same ladder positions)
Before: 13, 32, 51, 69 = 2104 points
After: 20, 39, 48, 57, 62 = 1965 points
Difference: 139 points (equivalent to pick 61)

In total, Fremantle have traded out the equivalent of two fourth round picks - pick 60 in 2022 and pick 61 in 2023

 

[apuchar]

So you don't think Allen will make it to our pick ot we shouldn't pick him?

One of the draft watchers on the main board said Allen had a pretty ordinary year in the PSA. I thought he was good in the champs when he was able to play.

 

[myfreodom]

Think with later picks we prioritise needs. Looking at our Under 25 B22

B Young - ? - Chapman
HB Clark - Cox - Walker
C Henry - Brodie - O'Driscoll
R Darcy - Brayshaw - Serong
HF Frederick - Treacy - Sturt
F Schultz - Amiss - Jackson
I/C Erasmus - Johnson - Banfield - Worner - Crowden
Emg Kuek - Benning

Not having a young developing KPD is an obvious gap, even if they see Benning as a possible option there.

I think a very tall KPF is still a need (198cm+). If they can ruck it is a bonus but more importantly they need to be a decent forward who can grab a contested mark and is a decent shot on goal. I think we are in a good position because there were plenty of tall prospects pencilled in to the first round this time last year for this draft and almost all of them have slid way down the draft boards. We need a genuine KPF or a forward/ruck not a ruck or ruck/forward though.

If there is a genuinely dangerous small forward available at any of our picks just pick them up. Maybe it is Jones at #30? Speed + ability to kick goals please.

Think we'll add Scaife as a Cat B (hopefully a bid doesn't come). I'd probably give Draper a shot as a Cat B as well because he is classier than what he got to show this year. Doubtful Bourne/Williams/Connor etc get drafted but I also don't get why you wouldn't fill your Cat B slots if you have any empty - gotta be in it to win it.

I am hoping Ultan Kelm joins us as a Cat B and gives another option for outside speed most likely off half back.

Grab a mature age ruck as a rookie. Or maybe Broadbent with a late pick.

Leave a spot for AMT - crossing fingers that works out because that would be huge for us.

Defence and midfield looks set for ages. Time to roll the dice with the forward line - take some punts on a few speculative picks (in addition to Benning/Kuek).

 

[NameoftheGame]

First up is the rucks...

Hard to say exactly which positions we'll put the most value on, but I think ruck is probably the fourth priority behind KPD, goal scorers and wing. We have two elite ones, just need a depth guy now - so I'd be using a late or rookie pick to address this. Luckily it's not a bad year for young rucks - even though history says not many tend to be picked as 18 year olds. I've included 6 that I think are in the mix...and while I've put Harry Barnett in there, I doubt we'd use our first pick on him.

Does anyone have the stats from the combines on these rucks?